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I could get our guys to start using it, how much to ship? Do we get a disco=
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KES UK.
Show containers: Here in the Pacific Northwest of the USA, we do not use mu=
ch Oasis in our containers. Instead, we use shredded floral foam. It comes =
in two colors: green or white. We use white but several other exhibitors li=
ke the green. There are several advantages of shredded floral foam over Oa=
sis; (1) it is much cheaper. (2) It holds the blooms more firmly (3) It can=
be reused numerous times (4) A bloom can be re-positioned in the container=
any number of times whereas with Oasis, you cannot move a bloom more than =
a few times as the Oasis becomes "swiss cheese" and is unable to hold the b=
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Here, in Portland shredded foam costs about $14.00 for a 10 pound bag which=
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Hi Ted,
I have seen this foam several times at shows in the NW. It seems very usefu=
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re collected by the show committee after the show. I like the idea of using=
your own containers and then taking them home after the show. I understand=
your societies only require 1 set of leaves---a big help in transporting.
Thanks for the update.
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Wow - sorry about that - just hit enter and it posted - yikes.
Anyway Steve/Ted - very interesting that there are different standards
for showing the flowers from one coast to the other. Since we do the
cleanup on the East Coast - there is a lot of mess with the foam wedges
and newspaper that we use. How much of a mess is the shredded floral
foam and can it be reused or you toss out after use?
Why do West Coast societies require only one set of leaves vs. the two
on the East Coast. I kinda woulda thought that this would be standard
throughout the country.
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> Hi Ted,
> I have seen this foam several times at shows in the NW. It seems very
useful
> to me. Here on the East coast societies supply show containers and
they are
> collected by the show committee after the show. I like the idea of
using your
> own containers and then taking them home after the show. I understand
your
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Wendy,
In some shows in California, they use a pin frog for showing. This was done
at the National show in San Jose. While I wasn't there, several friends
that were and judged, said they were scared to move them for fear they woul=
d
fall over.
The shredded foam is reusable.
Teresa
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From: "Wendy Levin"
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To: dahlias@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dahlias] Re: Oasis vs Floral Foam in Show Containers
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:12:00 -0000
Wow - sorry about that - just hit enter and it posted - yikes.
Anyway Steve/Ted - very interesting that there are different standards
for showing the flowers from one coast to the other. Since we do the
cleanup on the East Coast - there is a lot of mess with the foam wedges
and newspaper that we use. How much of a mess is the shredded floral
foam and can it be reused or you toss out after use?
Why do West Coast societies require only one set of leaves vs. the two
on the East Coast. I kinda woulda thought that this would be standard
throughout the country.
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> Hi Ted,
> I have seen this foam several times at shows in the NW. It seems very
useful
> to me. Here on the East coast societies supply show containers and
they are
> collected by the show committee after the show. I like the idea of
using your
> own containers and then taking them home after the show. I understand
your
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I would think the pin frogs would definitely be difficult!
Our society uses these foam wedges that we throw into a box/bag at
the end of the show for storage, or newspaper, which we throw away.
So regarding the shredded foam, I assume people put water in with
it? For cleanup purposes then, the foam stays wet for a while so you
would need to dry out before storing for a year? Isn't it messy
dumping out the water and trying to collect the shredded foam?
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> In some shows in California, they use a pin frog for showing. This
was done
> at the National show in San Jose. While I wasn't there, several
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of all very easy to store and the clean up is CLEAN. As to leaves I think =
Ted's observation is spot on. This rule for foliage amount is strictly a lo=
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top flight staging, the ADS vase is a big advantage in this area.
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Why do West Coast societies require only one set of leaves vs. the
two
on the East Coast. I kinda woulda thought that this would be standard
throughout the country.
Comments:
the requirement is foliage to enable judges to look for virus or
other obvious problems. East: assume that entries look best with 2
sets of foliage. Midwest: try to keep tops of entries at eye level
or lower to be most attractive to those looking at blooms -- thus
prefer 1 set of leaves. West: show with 1 set of leaves just above
the container. All three approaches meet the ADS requirement.
Re: foam. I find it difficult to get entries to stand in place with
shredded foam -- especially difficult with tall entries (2 sets of
leaves). We do anything we can to avoid them.
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Is it too late to order vases?
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Congrats to RIDS. To bad I will miss the show this year as it's the same da=
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ust) have 2 pair of leaves. As to 3 bloom I have never put down an entry fo=
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appealing to all with foliage removed ---blooms properly stage and attracti=
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Where do you find shredded floral foam? I've checked the local floral
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Donna,
I bought mine in Portland at a place called Floral Supply Syndicate. Their
website is fss.com. I'm sure you could order and shipping shouldn't be too
much as it is relatively light. They have locations all over the U.S. If
for some reason they won't ship, let me know.
Good luck!
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Where do you find shredded floral foam? I've checked the local floral
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Ann
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Why do West Coast societies require only one set of leaves vs. the two
on the East Coast. I kinda woulda thought that this would be standard
throughout the country.
The cleanup can be a problem if you remove the flowers inside. We remove ou=
rs over a container at home and put the cans on a screen upside down to dra=
in. We reuse our foam for 4 shows. Some exhibitors use the same foam all ye=
ar. You do have to keep the cans clean or it will hurt the life of the bloo=
m. We use bleach to kill bacteria. A weak bleach water rinse is all that is=
necessary. We probably use more bleach than necessary but the bleach will =
evaporate when drained off.
I have no idea why the difference on the two coasts. I am just happy that I=
live where we require only one set of leaves. The NW looks at it as a Flow=
er Show not a foliage show. We also get to have more blooms in the garden.
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Okay now before everyone thinks I'm throwing a spanner in the works, but I'=
m sure everyone thinks we're all entitled to our own opinion.
Here is mine:
Can't say I think the vases I've seen at most of your shows does anything f=
or the exhibit, surely the way we over here exhibit our blooms, is far nice=
r, and before the flack starts, has everyone seen a multi- vases exhibit st=
aged by a top guy in the UK?
Surely the vases I've seen at your shows, either square or round, and eithe=
r black or silver do nothing for a set of flowers?
And considering I rate the American Nation the finest there is for putting =
on a show I don't understand why they can't see there vases, although moder=
n are out of step with staging a good vase of dahlias. Just an opinion, and=
I like you, even love you all.
Ken UK.
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After all showmanship is the most important
part of an exhibit. I myself have beaten better blooms with top flight
staging, the ADS vase is a big advantage in this area.
> Steve N
That is very good to hear as our society just ordered 100 vases!
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Well said, Steve. Unfortunately, most judges have interpreted the "should =
have" as "must have" and scored blooms accordingly.
I hope others in NADC will agree with your point on basket displays. I sur=
ely do. We'll miss you at the show this year, but it was good to see you in=
Boston this past March.
Donna
Donna,
Congrats to RIDS. To bad I will miss the show this year as it's the same da=
te as the National. Mid Island rules state "BB and above size SHOULD (not m=
ust) have 2 pair of leaves. As to 3 bloom I have never put down an entry fo=
r not having 2 sets of leaves on each bloom---staging and appearance of the=
display are more important to me than all those leaves that only take away=
from the entry. Someday NADC will understand Basket display are much more =
appealing to all with foliage removed ---blooms properly stage and attracti=
ve fill in foliage used to enhance the whole package. After all isn't it th=
e beauty of the dahlia itself that we look for? Every society in the ADS sh=
ould view the ADS slide show on "Staging a Basket Display" Eleanor Shantz a=
"Basket display expert" gives a step by step process for a breathtaking di=
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How very true! This is one of my greatest concerns about showing. I
have some beautiful flowers I would love to exhibit - not even
necessarily to win, just to put in the show, but I have to cut back so
much of my plant and disbud so many would be flowers that I prefer not
to even go through the hassle. Looking forward to seeing all the
other's beautiful blooms anyway.
Wendy
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> Show not a foliage show. We also get to have more blooms in the
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Why do West Coast societies require only one set of leaves vs. the
two
on the East Coast. I kinda woulda thought that this would be standard
throughout the country.
Comments:
the requirement is foliage to enable judges to look for virus or
other obvious problems. East: assume that entries look best with 2
sets of foliage. Midwest: try to keep tops of entries at eye level
or lower to be most attractive to those looking at blooms -- thus
prefer 1 set of leaves. West: show with 1 set of leaves just above
the container. All three approaches meet the ADS requirement.
Re: foam. I find it difficult to get entries to stand in place with
shredded foam -- especially difficult with tall entries (2 sets of
leaves). We do anything we can to avoid them.
Alan
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