Hi Folks
Any thoughts on this spp I find the vetches can be difficult , a fine
leaved vetch with pale blue flowers
http://www.willowherb.bravehost.com/plant/idvetch.html
Found close to the Grass vetchling , often overlooked on dry grassy
slopes
http://www.willowherb.bravehost.com/plants/grass_vetchling.html
Many thanks
Colin D
http://www.judywoods.dial.pipex.com
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Looks like Vicia sylvatica. Where are you?
Stephen
KBotany@yahoogroups.com
Of colinduke2003
Sent: 10 June 2007 19:58
To: UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [UKBotany] Vexing Vetch
Hi Folks
Any thoughts on this spp I find the vetches can be difficult , a fine
leaved vetch with pale blue flowers
HYPERLINK
"http://www.willowherb.bravehost.com/plant/idvetch.html"http://www.willowhe=
-
rb.bravehost.-com/plant/-idvetch.html
Found close to the Grass vetchling , often overlooked on dry grassy
slopes
HYPERLINK
"http://www.willowherb.bravehost.com/plants/grass_vetchling.html"http://www=
.
willowhe-rb.bravehost.-com/plants/-grass_vetchling.-html
Many thanks
Colin D
HYPERLINK
"http://www.judywoods.dial.pipex.com"http://www.judywood-s.dial.pipex.-com
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The flowers look right, but does sylvatica have those very fine
leaves? What is the habitat, Colin? I've only ever seen it at the edge
of woods on limestone or on the coast.
Gill
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I'd say Vicia hirsuta.
regards
Eva Ekeblad
Den 07-06-11 01.15, skrev "ryenats"
hen Bungard"
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Hi Gill/ Eva/ All
The habitat is a disused land filled - quarry - mining site with
lots of dry grassland , it is worth mentioning that type path
adjacent was crude lime chippings. It is the stretch along the
Calder and Canal between Brighouse and Elland so as you quite
rightly point out might be a Ph thing. (SSI) This is in Calderdale W
Yorks. Also observed ion grass Grass Vetchling and other vetches as
one might expect at this time of year. Lots of Leucorum vulgare and
Birds Foot Trefoil with Comon Blues etc
Best Wishes
Colin D
--- In UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
s"
> The flowers look right, but does sylvatica have those very fine
> leaves? What is the habitat, Colin? I've only ever seen it at the
edge
> of woods on limestone or on the coast.
> Gill
> --- In UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
hen Bungard"
wrote:
to:UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
On
fine
> leaved vetch with pale blue flowers
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.willowherb.bravehost.com/plant/idvetch.html"http://www.
willowhe-
> rb.bravehost.-com/plant/-idvetch.html
> Found close to the Grass vetchling , often overlooked on dry
grassy
> slopes
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.willowherb.bravehost.com/plants/grass_vetchling.html"ht
tp://www.
s.dial.pipex.-com
Doesn't look quite right for Vicia sylvatica, e.g. should have more flowers=
,
and veiny rather than solid blue. Rodney
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From: UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
KBotany@yahoogroups.com
Of Stephen Bungard
Sent: 10 June 2007 20:17
To: UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [UKBotany] Vexing Vetch
Looks like Vicia sylvatica. Where are you?
Stephen
[mailto:UKBotany@yahoogroup
Behalf
Of colinduke2003
Sent: 10 June 2007 19:58
To: UKBotany@yahoogroup
Subject: [UKBotany] Vexing Vetch
Hi Folks
Any thoughts on this spp I find the vetches can be difficult , a fine
leaved vetch with pale blue flowers
HYPERLINK
"http://www.willowhe
rb.bravehost.com/plant/idvetch.html"http://www.willowhe
rb.bravehost.-com/plant/-idvetch.html
Found close to the Grass vetchling , often overlooked on dry grassy
slopes
HYPERLINK
"http://www.willowhe
rb.bravehost.com/plants/grass_vetchling.html"http://www.
willowhe-rb.bravehost.-com/plants/-grass_vetchling.-html
Many thanks
Colin D
HYPERLINK
"http://www.judywood
s.dial.pipex.com"http://www.judywood
-s.dial.pipex.-com
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Sounds a good habitat for the alien Vicia villosa which is often in that
sort of company round the M25. It usually has purple flowers but books say
that can vary. Rodney
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KBotany@yahoogroups.com
Of colinduke2003
Sent: 11 June 2007 09:40
To: UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [UKBotany] Re: Vexing Vetch
Hi Gill/ Eva/ All
The habitat is a disused land filled - quarry - mining site with
lots of dry grassland , it is worth mentioning that type path
adjacent was crude lime chippings. It is the stretch along the
Calder and Canal between Brighouse and Elland so as you quite
rightly point out might be a Ph thing. (SSI) This is in Calderdale W
Yorks. Also observed ion grass Grass Vetchling and other vetches as
one might expect at this time of year. Lots of Leucorum vulgare and
Birds Foot Trefoil with Comon Blues etc
Best Wishes
Colin D
--- In UKBotany@yahoogroup
"ryenats"
> The flowers look right, but does sylvatica have those very fine
> leaves? What is the habitat, Colin? I've only ever seen it at the
edge
> of woods on limestone or on the coast.
> Gill
> --- In UKBotany@yahoogroup
"Stephen Bungard"
wrote:
[mailto:UKBotany@yahoogroup
On
fine
> leaved vetch with pale blue flowers
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.willowhe
rb.bravehost.com/plant/idvetch.html"http://www.
willowhe-
> rb.bravehost.-com/plant/-idvetch.html
> Found close to the Grass vetchling , often overlooked on dry
grassy
> slopes
> HYPERLINK
> "http://www.willowhe
rb.bravehost.com/plants/grass_vetchling.html"ht
tp://www.
s.dial.pipex.com"http://www.judywood
s.dial.pipex.-com
Hi Rodney
Hope you are enjoying the summer sunshine. I have googled all the
suggestions and the very fine leaves with blue flowers best meet
Vicia hirsuta>, but this is not an easy one to ID !! at least
without a revisit
Best wishes
Colin D
http://www.judywoods.dial.pipex.com
--- In UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
Burton"
wrote:
> Sounds a good habitat for the alien Vicia villosa which is often
in that
> sort of company round the M25. It usually has purple flowers but
books say
:UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
On Behalf
W
> Yorks. Also observed ion grass Grass Vetchling and other vetches
as
> one might expect at this time of year. Lots of Leucorum vulgare
and
s.com,
> "ryenats"
> The flowers look right, but does sylvatica have those very fine
> leaves? What is the habitat, Colin? I've only ever seen it at
the
s.com,
s.com
> [mailto:UKBotany@yahoogroup
s.com]
> On
> Behalf
> Of colinduke2003
> Sent: 10 June 2007 19:58
> To: UKBotany@yahoogroup
s.com
a
Hi all,
I'm with Rodney on this one, I think that the combination of branched
tendrils, lots of pairs of small leaflets and relatively small flowers
(but larger than V. hirsuta) make it look a lot like V. villosa.
V. villosa is a world wide "weed/crop", so it often turns up as a seed
contaminant.
cheers Darrel (in Bath)
--- In UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
uke2003"
ey Burton"
to:UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
Hello,
Interesting post re Vicia
Our local patch records the following species:
Vicia cracca TUFTED VETCH
Vicia hirsuta HAIRY TARE
Vicia lutea YELLOW VETCH
Vicia sativa ssp. nigra NARROW-LEAVED VETCH
Vicia sativa ssp. segetalis COMMON VETCH
Vicia sepium BUSH VETCH
Vicia tetrasperma SMOOTH TARE
I have not noted Vicia hirsuta and one to look out for.
Common species only:
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/WildFlowers2007.html
Please point out any ID mistakes.
Cheers
Andy Horton
glaucus@hotmail.com
Adur Valley Nature Notes
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Adur2006.html
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/Adur2007.html
Adur Valley Nature Notes: June 2007
http://www.glaucus.org.uk/June2007.html
Hi Colin
its V. hirsuta
The track is crushed sandstone overlaying an enginerred clay cap of a
landfill(domestic rubbish) on an area formerly used as a dump for PFA (Pulv=
erised
fuel ash) hence the interesting range of plants on this site. Called Cromwe=
ll
Bottom LNR and SEGI.
Cheers
Colin P Duke
Colin, I don't think V. hirsuta is right either, that should have the
flowers held well clear of the leaves - unless your photo has a
foreshortened view? Rodney
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KBotany@yahoogroups.com
Of colinduke2003
Sent: 11 June 2007 13:32
To: UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [UKBotany] Re: Vexing Vetch
Hi Rodney
Hope you are enjoying the summer sunshine. I have googled all the
suggestions and the very fine leaves with blue flowers best meet
Vicia hirsuta>, but this is not an easy one to ID !! at least
without a revisit
Best wishes
Colin D
http://www.judywood
--- In UKBotany@yahoogroup
"Rodney Burton"
wrote:
> Sounds a good habitat for the alien Vicia villosa which is often
in that
> sort of company round the M25. It usually has purple flowers but
books say
[mailto:UKBotany@yahoogroup
On Behalf
W
> Yorks. Also observed ion grass Grass Vetchling and other vetches
as
> one might expect at this time of year. Lots of Leucorum vulgare
and
s.com,
> "ryenats"
> The flowers look right, but does sylvatica have those very fine
> leaves? What is the habitat, Colin? I've only ever seen it at
the
s.com,
s.com
> [mailto:UKBotany@yahoogroup
s.com]
> On
> Behalf
> Of colinduke2003
> Sent: 10 June 2007 19:58
> To: UKBotany@yahoogroup
s.com
a
rb.bravehost.com/plant/idvetch.html>
rb.bravehost.com/plants/grass_vetchling.html>
> s.dial.pipex.com"http://www.judywood
How big were your flowers? Isn't V. hirsuta quite tiny? I was
thinking yours was sort of the same size as bush or tufted vetch -
tare flowers here at least are only about half that size.
Gill
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uke2003"
ey Burton"
to:UKBotany@yahoogroups.com
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