Alright now - I finally am getting quality time with the pond and now I
have a new critter setting up camp. It appears to be a Brown
Watersnake (definately non-venomous) and here is the issue...
In Georgia non-venomous snakes cannot be "taken, injured or killed".
Any ideas on how to "strongly discourage" a snake??!! I'm sure he is
getting a belly full of bull frogs & mosquito fish and the area is big
enough that I'm not tripping over him BUT I would love for him to move
along. According to a neighbor, the last home owner tried a
shotgun!! Too much of a pacifist for that!
Thanks!
Janet
=20=20
Use mothballs - put them around your pond. You'll need to replace them when
it rains, but with all the rain we're getting in our area (detect the
sarcasm), they should last a while...
Mark - Zone 7
--
Mark Hough
I'm an agnostic, dyslectic insomniac. I lay awake at night wondering if
there really is a doG.
How about a Rent-A-Dog?
Bonnie in NH
Use mothballs - put them around your pond. You'll need to replace them when
it rains, but with all the rain we're getting in our area (detect the
sarcasm), they should last a while...
Mark - Zone 7
On 3/29/07, Janet Rau <_languagesforkids@languages_
(mailto:languagesforkids@yahoo.com) > wrote:
Alright now - I finally am getting quality time with the pond and now I
have a new critter setting up camp. It appears to be a Brown
Watersnake (definately non-venomous) and here is the issue...
In Georgia non-venomous snakes cannot be "taken, injured or killed".
Any ideas on how to "strongly discourage" a snake??!! I'm sure he is
getting a belly full of bull frogs & mosquito fish and the area is big
enough that I'm not tripping over him BUT I would love for him to move
along. According to a neighbor, the last home owner tried a
shotgun!! Too much of a pacifist for that!
Thanks!
Most snakes will also eat your fish so if you value your collection, I would
try to relocate him/her to like was suggested, lots of moth balls to
encourage it to "move on" to some other location.
Sue
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Alright now - I finally am getting quality time with the pond and now I
have a new critter setting up camp. It appears to be a Brown
Watersnake (definately non-venomous) and here is the issue...
In Georgia non-venomous snakes cannot be "taken, injured or killed".=20
Any ideas on how to "strongly discourage" a snake??!! I'm sure he is
getting a belly full of bull frogs & mosquito fish and the area is big
enough that I'm not tripping over him BUT I would love for him to move
along. According to a neighbor, the last home owner tried a
shotgun!! Too much of a pacifist for that!
Thanks!
Janet
Maybe it would be like washing the car - I put out $100 worth of
mothballs and we get rain! I think the area is too big for
mothballs - the pond is about 300 feet around and is bordered by a
creek.
Sue - All the koi are present and accounted for. I don't think I'll
be getting any under 6" until I have this solved :-) Just another
good reason to buy bigger fish!
Janet
--- In Ponds-Koi@yahoogrou
"Mark Hough"
> Use mothballs - put them around your pond. You'll need to replace
them when
> it rains, but with all the rain we're getting in our area (detect
the
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Maybe it would be like washing the car - I put out $100 worth of
mothballs and we get rain! I think the area is too big for
mothballs - the pond is about 300 feet around and is bordered by a
creek.
Sue - All the koi are present and accounted for. I don't think I'll
be getting any under 6" until I have this solved :-) Just another
good reason to buy bigger fish!
Janet
LOL!! Sounds like a plan!!
Sue
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My golden retreiver was greatly intimidated by the thing - he's about
3' long and amazingly brazen for a snake and not bothered by the
barking AT ALL!
--- In Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com, "Bonnie in NH"
Maybe it would be like washing the car - I put out $100 worth of
mothballs and we get rain! I think the area is too big for
mothballs - the pond is about 300 feet around and is bordered by a
creek.
Sue - All the koi are present and accounted for. I don't think I'll
be getting any under 6" until I have this solved :-) Just another
good reason to buy bigger fish!
Janet
--- In Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Hough"
> Use mothballs - put them around your pond. You'll need to replace
them when
> it rains, but with all the rain we're getting in our area (detect
the
Although the other half will wake the dead if she even sees a tiny
garden snake....... I like to think about what the snakes eat. And
which would I rather have - the snake or his food sources
multiplying. I would usually rather have the snake.
Since Georgia has only 4 types of poisonous snakes north of the South
Georgia Swamplands =3D cottonmouth, copperhead, and two rattlesnakes =3D
all diamondbacks =3D it is fairly easy to figure out if your snake is
good or bad. As long as they do not threaten you or your pets, I
vote for keeping them. A big snake can be a problem to your fish -
but little ones are usually nice additions to any garden.
:-)
Bill
--- In Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Rau"
wrote:
> Alright now - I finally am getting quality time with the pond and
now I
> have a new critter setting up camp. It appears to be a Brown
> Watersnake (definately non-venomous) and here is the issue...
> In Georgia non-venomous snakes cannot be "taken, injured or
killed".=20
> Any ideas on how to "strongly discourage" a snake??!! I'm sure he
is
> getting a belly full of bull frogs & mosquito fish and the area is
big
> enough that I'm not tripping over him BUT I would love for him to
move
(I believe that snakes are deaf. They cannot hear, they feel
vibrations thru the ground. Gotta frustrate your dog big time!!)
:-)
Bill
--- In Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Rau"
wrote:
I love animals as much as the next person and even more and follow the letter of the law but I think that in a situation like this I think I would have to introduce Mr. snake to mt CO2 powered BB pistol.
I know it sounds bad but my yard and patio are part of my home and their are just so many things I will share my home with and a snake is just not one of them. Snakes and spiders. I know that they are both beneficial creatures but not in my home.
Wally
---- phanso
Hi,
I had the same snake problem last year and I did three things. I
added a net over the pond, planted some merrigolds, and sprinkled=20
Snake-Away around the pond. Two got caught in the net and I didn't
see anymore after that.
The effective agent I think was the Snake-Away which is basically
crushed up moth balls; so the moth balls thing does work. I was told
the odor from the moth balls messes with the snakes nerves or sensory
functions so they are stay away. Fortunately I didn't suffer any loss
of fish from the snakes but they nearly wiped out my frog population.
I think the frogs are going to make a strong come back this year. I
have a huge bull frog that's been hanging around. Hope he attracts
some lady frogs too.
I'm considering increasing my fish population this year maybe up to 7
Koi all over 12". At that number I think I may be right at my
population density limit with a 3500 gal. pond. What do you guys
think. If that turns out to be the case I'll get some more commets
and a few shubs.I'm thinking of getting some turtles too. You guys
think that's a good idea.
Hey It's great to see quite a few pond keepers from Georgia in here.
I am in Georgia too. OBTW I'm Al
Cheers
--- In Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com, "William M. Dowden"
about
> 3' long and amazingly brazen for a snake and not bothered by the
> barking AT ALL!
> --- In Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com, "Bonnie in NH"
wrote:
Hi Al!
Thanks for the advice on the snake-away (you and Sue). If I can keep
the snake population to the rear if the pond (in the woods) I'll be
much happier. I really don't mind the ecological balance that
requires snakes to be part of the food chain as long as they don't
take over!!! SNAKE BULLETIN - GO TO HER POND SHE DOESN'T SHOOT!
If you want some bullfrog tadpoles grab your net and come on over!=20
Walking to the pond there are about 20 frogs that jump in to get out
of the way & tons of the little tads all over the place. :-)
I'm over on the Smyrna side of the Atlanta circus.=20
Janet
--- In Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com, "phanso"
told
> the odor from the moth balls messes with the snakes nerves or
sensory
> functions so they are stay away. Fortunately I didn't suffer any
loss
> of fish from the snakes but they nearly wiped out my frog
population.
> I think the frogs are going to make a strong come back this year. I
> have a huge bull frog that's been hanging around. Hope he attracts
> some lady frogs too.
> I'm considering increasing my fish population this year maybe up to
7
here.
the
Hi,
I had the same snake problem last year and I did three things. I
added a net over the pond, planted some merrigolds, and sprinkled
Snake-Away around the pond. Two got caught in the net and I didn't
see anymore after that.
The effective agent I think was the Snake-Away which is basically
crushed up moth balls; so the moth balls thing does work. I was told
the odor from the moth balls messes with the snakes nerves or sensory
functions so they are stay away. Fortunately I didn't suffer any loss
of fish from the snakes but they nearly wiped out my frog population.
I think the frogs are going to make a strong come back this year. I
have a huge bull frog that's been hanging around. Hope he attracts
some lady frogs too.
I'm considering increasing my fish population this year maybe up to 7
Koi all over 12". At that number I think I may be right at my
population density limit with a 3500 gal. pond. What do you guys
think. If that turns out to be the case I'll get some more commets
and a few shubs.I'm thinking of getting some turtles too. You guys
think that's a good idea.
7 koi in 3500 gallons isn't out of line as long as you've provided good
filtration to handle the load. I'd go for it!! But don't add goldies if you're
going to keep koi. I have nothing against goldies...don't get me wrong
here...they are beautiful fish and some of my best friends keep them, but they do
multiply like rabbits so if you're watching your population, I would be
careful about adding them. Keeping 7 koi in 3500 gallons of good water should reap
some nice growing fish for you. Be sure to give them lots of 02 in the
water. Koi love high levels of oxygen in their water....plus it adds to the
water current...very important to build a nice looking body on these large fish.
Sue
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I know it sounds bad but my yard and patio are part of my home and their are
just so many things I will share my home with and a snake is just not one of
them. Snakes and spiders. I know that they are both beneficial creatures but
not in my home.
Wally
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
If you want some bullfrog tadpoles grab your net and come on over!
Walking to the pond there are about 20 frogs that jump in to get out
of the way & tons of the little tads all over the place. :-)
I'm over on the Smyrna side of the Atlanta circus.
Janet
Bull frogs eat fish too!! I transplant mine to the natural waters nearby.
Sue
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Although the other half will wake the dead if she even sees a tiny
garden snake....... I like to think about what the snakes eat. And
which would I rather have - the snake or his food sources
multiplying. I would usually rather have the snake.
Since Georgia has only 4 types of poisonous snakes north of the South
Georgia Swamplands = cottonmouth, copperhead, and two rattlesnakes =
all diamondbacks = it is fairly easy to figure out if your snake is
good or bad. As long as they do not threaten you or your pets, I
vote for keeping them. A big snake can be a problem to your fish -
but little ones are usually nice additions to any garden.
:-)
Bill
Sorry Bill, but I'll have to side with your other half!!!
Shutter!!
Sue
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Hi, Y'all Al!
Hope to see you (Watch out now, y'all, here comes one of them thar
plugs!!) at the Atlanta Koi Club's annual Koi Auction on May the
19th - "dat be a satuday - y'all come now, ya'hear! It be in Tucker -
that be right by that there Stone Mountain place."
:-)
Bill
--- In Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com, "phanso"
told
> the odor from the moth balls messes with the snakes nerves or
sensory
> functions so they are stay away. Fortunately I didn't suffer any
loss
> of fish from the snakes but they nearly wiped out my frog
population.
> I think the frogs are going to make a strong come back this year. I
> have a huge bull frog that's been hanging around. Hope he attracts
> some lady frogs too.
> I'm considering increasing my fish population this year maybe up to
7
here.
the
For those of us who are old enough to remember the "Pond Society" and
Alan Sperling and his wife - I cannot help but remember how they shot
a snake that was in their pond and punctured the liner on the far
side..... (Yes, Sue, that's a ROTF!!)
:-)
Bill
--- In Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com,
> I love animals as much as the next person and even more and follow
the letter of the law but I think that in a situation like this I
think I would have to introduce Mr. snake to mt CO2 powered BB pistol.
> I know it sounds bad but my yard and patio are part of my home and
their are just so many things I will share my home with and a snake
is just not one of them. Snakes and spiders. I know that they are
both beneficial creatures but not in my home.
sprinkled=20
> Snake-Away around the pond. Two got caught in the net and I
didn't
> see anymore after that.
> The effective agent I think was the Snake-Away which is basically
> crushed up moth balls; so the moth balls thing does work. I was
told
> the odor from the moth balls messes with the snakes nerves or
sensory
> functions so they are stay away. Fortunately I didn't suffer any
loss
> of fish from the snakes but they nearly wiped out my frog
population.
> I think the frogs are going to make a strong come back this year.
I
> have a huge bull frog that's been hanging around. Hope he
attracts
> some lady frogs too.
> I'm considering increasing my fish population this year maybe up
to 7
> Koi all over 12". At that number I think I may be right at my
> population density limit with a 3500 gal. pond. What do you guys
> think. If that turns out to be the case I'll get some more
commets
> and a few shubs.I'm thinking of getting some turtles too. You
guys
> think that's a good idea.
> Hey It's great to see quite a few pond keepers from Georgia in
here.
time!!)
> wrote:
> My golden retreiver was greatly intimidated by the thing -
he's
> about
> 3' long and amazingly brazen for a snake and not bothered by
the
> barking AT ALL!
> --- In Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com, "Bonnie in NH"
Maybe you can truck pool with Al to the auction.....
:-)
Bill
--- In Ponds-Koi@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Rau"
wrote:
> Hi Al!
> Thanks for the advice on the snake-away (you and Sue). If I can
keep
> the snake population to the rear if the pond (in the woods) I'll
be
out
sprinkled=20
> Snake-Away around the pond. Two got caught in the net and I
didn't
I
> have a huge bull frog that's been hanging around. Hope he
attracts
> some lady frogs too.
> I'm considering increasing my fish population this year maybe up
to
> 7
> Koi all over 12". At that number I think I may be right at my
> population density limit with a 3500 gal. pond. What do you guys
> think. If that turns out to be the case I'll get some more
commets
> and a few shubs.I'm thinking of getting some turtles too. You
guys
time!!)
> wrote:
> My golden retreiver was greatly intimidated by the thing -
he's
For those of us who are old enough to remember the "Pond Society" and
Alan Sperling and his wife - I cannot help but remember how they shot
a snake that was in their pond and punctured the liner on the far
side..... (Yes, Sue, that's a ROTF!!)
:-)
Bill
What a visual!!
Sue
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
