I think we should drop this discussion right now before it gets out of hand. Please refrain from discussing anything political.
Kindest Regards,
Alan
That's what I was trying to say, but apparently I didn't do a good job at it.
Some of the stuff that she told me was pretty amazing.
It's not like I was surprised, because I knew about most of it, the mistreatment and oppression of women in particular. Which comprise half of the population and are the mothers, sisters and wives of these men. I was astounded at the fact that women, who spend all of their lives caring for their husbands, raising kids and taking care of the homes would be buried in the dessert in unmarked graves and that the children are not permitted at the burial of their mothers!
> I lived in the Middle East too. And one of the problems in Saudi Arabia
> is that the upper classes and many minor royals of that country are
> slowly realizing how their days of living well are slowly coming to an
> end.
She spoke of that. She also mentioned that each member of the royal family has an escape plan, just in case there is a problem and they need a quick and safe passage to another country.
It's simply not cost effective any longer for them to be paid to
LOL, you know, she was talking about her brothers and some cousins, that get a stipend from the king himself!!!!
They do nothing, but get that money because they are related. She says that they drink and party until the early morning hours, and then sleep until the late afternoon!
> It is also one of the few places where I was rattled enough by the
> leering to want to stay home. That's saying something for an Indian
> woman. We're used to being stared at and "eve-teasing."
Ack...I'm sorry to hear this.
One thing that this woman mentioned to me was how she and many of her friends would love to have a world of peace, where religion and nationalities wouldn't make a difference. She stressed how the outlook of the politicians are not the same as they are of many of the people that reside there. She felt that the SA kingdom will fall soon, she said that she's hoping that the Matawas fall with the kingdom.
Thank you for your response, S.
Mariana
NYC Brooklyn, Zone 6b
http://photos.yahoo.com/gardengrl911
> from a small four hour conversation that I had with what appeared to
> be a genuine princess of Saudi Arabia (not that it matters much, she
> is a woman after all).
And the fact that being a genuine princess in the house of Al Saud
probably means little given how it's the largest royal family in the
world. There's a great many genuine princesses.
I lived in the Middle East too. And one of the problems in Saudi Arabia
is that the upper classes and many minor royals of that country are
slowly realizing how their days of living well are slowly coming to an
end. It's simply not cost effective any longer for them to be paid to
live a life of leisure, because well, they're royals and therefore
should get imported labor to do all the work. Certainly, their lives
are far more susceptible to the market than it used to be. Horror of
all horrors, some of them are actually going to have to find jobs in a
few years. And they're not prepared for that at all.
My family lived in Bahrain by the way -- where all good people (women
especially) stayed the heck away from the malls and any fun public
places from Thursday afternoon to about Saturday evening. Because
that's when totally bored Saudi men would show up en masse, over the 25
mile causeway that links Bahrain to Saudi Arabia, to have some fun. Any
fun. It typically involved much booze and all that that entails.
It is also one of the few places where I was rattled enough by the
leering to want to stay home. That's saying something for an Indian
woman. We're used to being stared at and "eve-teasing."
S.
That's what I was trying to say, but apparently I didn't do a good job at it.
Some of the stuff that she told me was pretty amazing.
It's not like I was surprised, because I knew about most of it, the mistreatment and oppression of women in particular. Which comprise half of the population and are the mothers, sisters and wives of these men. I was astounded at the fact that women, who spend all of their lives caring for their husbands, raising kids and taking care of the homes would be buried in the dessert in unmarked graves and that the children are not permitted at the burial of their mothers!
> I lived in the Middle East too. And one of the problems in Saudi Arabia
> is that the upper classes and many minor royals of that country are
> slowly realizing how their days of living well are slowly coming to an
> end.
She spoke of that. She also mentioned that each member of the royal family has an escape plan, just in case there is a problem and they need a quick and safe passage to another country.
It's simply not cost effective any longer for them to be paid to
LOL, you know, she was talking about her brothers and some cousins, that get a stipend from the king himself!!!!
They do nothing, but get that money because they are related. She says that they drink and party until the early morning hours, and then sleep until the late afternoon!
> It is also one of the few places where I was rattled enough by the
> leering to want to stay home. That's saying something for an Indian
> woman. We're used to being stared at and "eve-teasing."
Ack...I'm sorry to hear this.
One thing that this woman mentioned to me was how she and many of her friends would love to have a world of peace, where religion and nationalities wouldn't make a difference. She stressed how the outlook of the politicians are not the same as they are of many of the people that reside there. She felt that the SA kingdom will fall soon, she said that she's hoping that the Matawas fall with the kingdom.
Thank you for your response, S.
Mariana
NYC Brooklyn, Zone 6b
http://photos.yahoo.com/gardengrl911
I must second this. With the possible war situation, feelings are bound =
to run very high, and lead to unpleasantness.
Our Gardens Welcome message (and gardenerscorner) does mention that =
religious and political discussions are highly discouraged, so please =
don't take offense if we must occasionally remind members of this.
If a topic seems to be veering in a direction that is highly likely to =
inflame others, please feel free to take the discussion off-list.
Elizabeth
tiarella@bellsouth.net
Gardens co-listowner
http://www.gardenerscorner.com/notes.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Zelhart Alan-rpcs30
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Saudi Arabia, was Re: Can you identify this orchid
I think we should drop this discussion right now before it gets out of =
hand. Please refrain from discussing anything political.
Kindest Regards,
Alan
