Gin???? That quack is advising people pour gin on poison ivy? He really
has lost his marble. Margaret L
Poison Ivy is a very determined plant. It can grow on the
rocks here like vetch. Poison vetch. And the roots stretch
out and get bigger each year. It's shiny green leaves defy
the sun, no soil, and tramping feet. I doubt if it catches
fire or I'd try it.
But is there hope?? I mean I got a flyer from Jerry Baker
in the mail.
"Miracle 'Mixers' - the gardening muckety-mucks hope you never
learn.!"
Muckety mucks? You heard it here.
How about viegar and on ounce of gin mixed with 8 ounces of water?
Murphy Oil soap? Handier than scotch tape.
My poison ivy would laugh at vinegar.
June
Murphy's Oil Soap, to me, is almost as toxic as anything Dupont can throw at
me. I'm allergic to this junk. I might try the gin though--on the rocks?
Lee Ann
Poison Ivy is a very determined plant. It can grow on the
rocks here like vetch. Poison vetch. And the roots stretch
out and get bigger each year. It's shiny green leaves defy
the sun, no soil, and tramping feet. I doubt if it catches
fire or I'd try it.
But is there hope?? I mean I got a flyer from Jerry Baker
in the mail.
"Miracle 'Mixers' - the gardening muckety-mucks hope you never
learn.!"
Muckety mucks? You heard it here.
How about viegar and on ounce of gin mixed with 8 ounces of water?
Murphy Oil soap? Handier than scotch tape.
My poison ivy would laugh at vinegar.
June
Hi Lee Ann,
tee hee -
Now back in prohibition they made bathtub gin. I have no idea how
they did that. Was it cheap to make?
Would it ruin my nice bathtub?
But how about vinegar and Roundup? Aha!
June Baker
But wouldn't that taste yukky on the rocks? 8-)
Lee Ann
Hi Lee Ann,
But how about vinegar and Roundup? Aha!
June Baker
Could work. A few gin on the rocks, and you won't give a flying
leap about the poison ivy.
--
Julie
Barrie, Ontario
Zone 4/5
--- Lee Ann Reiners
> Nah, he didn't mention the ivy -- but I do have some
> Roundup and I do have some vinegar, and lighter fluid, heh heh
> June
You should have sent the lighter fluid to the Amorphophallus. Margaret L
Hi Lee Ann,
Tee hee. I think you might prefer a "Pink Lady" or something.
But I'm planning war, I tell you. The Ivy is invading better
the things I've seen on Sci-Fi. Last season I went forward
with my weedwhacker - careful to keep it off my hands, but
tiny bits of flying ivy got me - and on my eye lids. Eeeuuu.
Now I want to clip the root system. Quietly, I'll sneak in,
find the biggest roots and clip them or saw them. No flying pieces,
no "Revenge of the Ivy" sequel.
Tonight, if the rain holds off, I'll mow my lawn, and just clip one root.
One root at a time won't alarm the plant. heh heh I have big,
thick gloves. Ivy is no ordinary plant.
June
ROFL June
I've used Roundup on PI with fairly good success. 'Course it's expensive
and you have to do it more than once. I just spent $26 on Roundup to do
the weeds growing in part of my driveway and they're not all dead yet.
I'll probably need to buy another bottle in a few weeks and do it again.
Maybe next time I'll buy the bigger bottle.
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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On poison ivy, glyphosate works better in the late summer early fall when
the plant is storing up root reserves.
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Oh yeah?? The directions always say when the plant is growing fastest. I
believed em.
Esther
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On poison ivy, glyphosate works better in the late summer early fall when
the plant is storing up root reserves.
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DO NOT BURN THE POISON IVY. You will get the worse case of poison ivy you ever
had in your life. The smoke will carry the oils that cause the rash, you breath
it, you get poison ivy ten times worse than handling it. I've found that RoundUp
or similar items will kill it but it takes multiple doses.
George
"june m. dean" wrote:
I think the roundup site has specific instructions for poison ivy. Its root
reserves are so strong it pays to hit it at the right time of year.
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expensive
Did he specifically say for poison ivy??? Or just for little annual weed
seedlings? For those, vinegar alone would probably do it.
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Can you make glyphosate? What is it? Thank you. June
Hi Margaret,
What he says is ... "For a Johnny-on-the-spot weed killr ... try vinegar!
...."try this natural tonic instead. Spot-kill weeds with an ounce of
vinegar and an ounce of gin mixed with 8 ounces of water. Works like
magic."
I do not have a bottle of gin. A bottle of gin probably costs
as much as a bottle of Roundup. I have a feeling I'd hear
a drunken ivy song coming from the rocks. And that it would grow
one foot taller.
Best,
June
Nah, he didn't mention the ivy -- but I do have some
Roundup and I do have some vinegar, and lighter fluid, heh heh
June
How come none of us has tried to make a vat of it?
Here, have another Pink Lady.
June
Oh, okay. Dum, de dum. "Fire" ...
June
Glyphosate is the chemical name for Roundup.
Lee Ann *hic*
Can you make glyphosate? What is it? Thank you. June
> Can you make glyphosate? What is it? Thank you. June<
Uh no, I don;t thionk I'd want to do that. Monsanto makes glyphohosate aka
the active ingredient in Roundup. A little bit goes a long way if you use
it right.
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expensive
> and you have to do it more than once. I just spent $26 on Roundup to
do
> the weeds growing in part of my driveway and they're not all dead yet.
> I'll probably need to buy another bottle in a few weeks and do it
again.
OK, mom cher. June
> DO NOT BURN THE POISON IVY. You will get the worse case of poison ivy you
ever
> had in your life. The smoke will carry the oils that cause the rash, you
breath
> it, you get poison ivy ten times worse than handling it. I've found that
RoundUp
And there went the coke right up my nose. ROFL June
Ok thats two June.... I will be forced to warn
everyone about your subscription to the
pyro-listserve...
That dosn't imply I am on it too does it??? :)
Anji
FIRE....FIRE....FIRE....FIRE....FIRE....FIRE....FIRE....
At least I have a _passable_ excuse -- I need the fire
for the pottery.. :)
--- "june m. dean"
> Nah, he didn't mention the ivy -- but I do have some
> Roundup and I do have some vinegar, and lighter
> fluid, heh heh
__________________________________________________
In a message dated 6/14/01 7:56:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
martin@GSCYCLONE.COM writes:
> On poison ivy, glyphosate works better in the late summer early fall when
> the plant is storing up root reserves.
TIMING "is" important with Roundup.
Glenn
In a message dated 6/14/01 7:58:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
esther.czekalski@EVIDIAN.COM writes:
I found it works best on hard to control plants, by applying it when the
plant is putting the 'food' into the root system.
Glenn
Coincidentally, this would probably coincide with the suggested "repeat
application(s)" needed to control it. I have found the late season deal to
work with just the one shot using a strong formulation (diluted per label
instructions). Personally I do not like to use herbicide so I would rather
wait and only hit it just one time and be done.
That said, I am very allergic to it so if it popped up near a spot I had to
contact (eg mailbox) then my approach might be to treat it asap and often.
That, or move the mailbox.
FYI Here is what the site says about it at the consumer label level.
http://www.roundup.com/weeds/poisonivy.html
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the
If it pops up, why not just pull it out?? I have been pulling poison ivy
for years (with appropriate protection, of course) and it doesn't come back
unless it is a very well-established plant. Really not that hard to control
manually if you just watch for new plants each year. I usually wait a
couple of months into the season until I've spotted a few and am pretty sure
there aren't any new ones I've overlooked. Then I yank them all and bag
them and haul them away. New seedlings will appear almost inevitably every
year if you live in an area where there are woods, birds, and poison ivy.
Debbie
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:10 PM
To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
Subject: Re: The Plant From Outer Space - Poison Ivy
Coincidentally, this would probably coincide with the suggested "repeat
application(s)" needed to control it. I have found the late season deal to
work with just the one shot using a strong formulation (diluted per label
instructions). Personally I do not like to use herbicide so I would rather
wait and only hit it just one time and be done.
That said, I am very allergic to it so if it popped up near a spot I had to
contact (eg mailbox) then my approach might be to treat it asap and often.
That, or move the mailbox.
FYI Here is what the site says about it at the consumer label level.
http://www.roundup.com/weeds/poisonivy.html
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the
WHY? Because by the time I ever noticed it had "popped up", it would be
about three feet tall and I'd have to get somebody ELSE to pull it up. (I
have lots of garden and not enough time!!!!) Actually, the times I have
sprayed have been when large established vines of it have encroached toward
the house coming out of the woods at a good pace. Those are huge, probably
as old as me and grow fast once they get to the light. The latest one was on
a huge maple tree close to the house that fell over in a storm, that little
event released it from the air onto the ground. I thought it would eat the
house and it was growing in an area where I do need to walk through there
periodically so I sprayed it. There is a big one in a rhododendron off the
back porch that I can't get to very easily, about every other year I manage
to find somebody to grub it out for me so it is only about six feet long. I
am tired of pleading with other people to pull it out, but there is no way I
could spray it. If I could, I think I would. The bigger it gets the more
chance it will get away from me and really take over a large area. Oh well.
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back
> unless it is a very well-established plant. Really not that hard to
control
> manually if you just watch for new plants each year. I usually wait a
> couple of months into the season until I've spotted a few and am pretty
sure
> there aren't any new ones I've overlooked. Then I yank them all and bag
> them and haul them away. New seedlings will appear almost inevitably
every
to
when
I thought the recommendation in those circumstances is to cut it off near
ground and apply something to the stump ("Brush-b-gone" or something like
that?). I have one huge one in a tree that I intentionally left...it
usually doesn't get berries on it, I like the fall color, and it hasn't
spread horizontally and I wouldn't be able to remove it from tree, only
treat the stump.
Debbie (soon to be in Alaska where there is no poison ivy and the HIGHS will
be in the 70s rather than the LOWS)
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 7:52 PM
To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
Subject: Re: The Plant From Outer Space - Poison Ivy
WHY? Because by the time I ever noticed it had "popped up", it would be
about three feet tall and I'd have to get somebody ELSE to pull it up. (I
have lots of garden and not enough time!!!!) Actually, the times I have
sprayed have been when large established vines of it have encroached toward
the house coming out of the woods at a good pace. Those are huge, probably
as old as me and grow fast once they get to the light. The latest one was on
a huge maple tree close to the house that fell over in a storm, that little
event released it from the air onto the ground. I thought it would eat the
house and it was growing in an area where I do need to walk through there
periodically so I sprayed it. There is a big one in a rhododendron off the
back porch that I can't get to very easily, about every other year I manage
to find somebody to grub it out for me so it is only about six feet long. I
am tired of pleading with other people to pull it out, but there is no way I
could spray it. If I could, I think I would. The bigger it gets the more
chance it will get away from me and really take over a large area. Oh well.
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Brush be gone or similar is a stronger formulation of glyphosate. I could
not cut through the ones on the bottom side of the tree. It was a big mess.
Then the roots sprouted all over the place and more seedlings came up in a
groundcover pattern. Very exciting. I hate poison ivy.
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will
toward
> the house coming out of the woods at a good pace. Those are huge, probably
> as old as me and grow fast once they get to the light. The latest one was
on
> a huge maple tree close to the house that fell over in a storm, that
little
> event released it from the air onto the ground. I thought it would eat the
> house and it was growing in an area where I do need to walk through there
> periodically so I sprayed it. There is a big one in a rhododendron off the
> back porch that I can't get to very easily, about every other year I
manage
> to find somebody to grub it out for me so it is only about six feet long.
I
> am tired of pleading with other people to pull it out, but there is no way
I
> could spray it. If I could, I think I would. The bigger it gets the more
> chance it will get away from me and really take over a large area. Oh
well.
It is Triclopyr, not glyphosate.
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 8:54 PM
To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
Subject: Re: The Plant From Outer Space - Poison Ivy
Brush be gone or similar is a stronger formulation of glyphosate. I could
not cut through the ones on the bottom side of the tree. It was a big mess.
Then the roots sprouted all over the place and more seedlings came up in a
groundcover pattern. Very exciting. I hate poison ivy.
Barbara Martin
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will
toward
> the house coming out of the woods at a good pace. Those are huge, probably
> as old as me and grow fast once they get to the light. The latest one was
on
> a huge maple tree close to the house that fell over in a storm, that
little
> event released it from the air onto the ground. I thought it would eat the
> house and it was growing in an area where I do need to walk through there
> periodically so I sprayed it. There is a big one in a rhododendron off the
> back porch that I can't get to very easily, about every other year I
manage
> to find somebody to grub it out for me so it is only about six feet long.
I
> am tired of pleading with other people to pull it out, but there is no way
I
> could spray it. If I could, I think I would. The bigger it gets the more
> chance it will get away from me and really take over a large area. Oh
well.
There is also a brush killer level of glyphosate -- the name is similar. I
don't use it very often so I don't remember the exact name off hand.
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mess.
near
> ground and apply something to the stump ("Brush-b-gone" or something
like
(I
> have lots of garden and not enough time!!!!) Actually, the times I have
> sprayed have been when large established vines of it have encroached
> toward
> the house coming out of the woods at a good pace. Those are huge,
probably
> as old as me and grow fast once they get to the light. The latest one
was
> on
> a huge maple tree close to the house that fell over in a storm, that
> little
> event released it from the air onto the ground. I thought it would eat
the
> house and it was growing in an area where I do need to walk through
there
> periodically so I sprayed it. There is a big one in a rhododendron off
the
> back porch that I can't get to very easily, about every other year I
> manage
> to find somebody to grub it out for me so it is only about six feet
long.
> I
> am tired of pleading with other people to pull it out, but there is no
way
http://www.blueriver.net/~dorsett/notes.html
Yes, our woods is full of it on trees, too. I leave them alone as well.
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mess.
near
> ground and apply something to the stump ("Brush-b-gone" or something
like
(I
> have lots of garden and not enough time!!!!) Actually, the times I have
> sprayed have been when large established vines of it have encroached
> toward
> the house coming out of the woods at a good pace. Those are huge,
probably
> as old as me and grow fast once they get to the light. The latest one
was
> on
> a huge maple tree close to the house that fell over in a storm, that
> little
> event released it from the air onto the ground. I thought it would eat
the
> house and it was growing in an area where I do need to walk through
there
> periodically so I sprayed it. There is a big one in a rhododendron off
the
> back porch that I can't get to very easily, about every other year I
> manage
> to find somebody to grub it out for me so it is only about six feet
long.
> I
> am tired of pleading with other people to pull it out, but there is no
way
http://www.blueriver.net/~dorsett/notes.html
I wonder if rubbing alcohol could be substituted for the gin?
Hi Glen,
The fall it is. This is an all-out campaign. The P.Ivy is
spreading more and more and seeding tremendously even now.
Great clusters of pretty white flowers turn into seeds, seeds,
and more seeds. So even when I manage to pull out the P.Ivy, I know
it has reseeded already. And seeds stay good for about 25 years too.
Cheesh!!
Thank you, Glen.
Best,
June
Hi Debbie,
At first it was just a small, but well established plot of P.Ivy.
Then, for some reason - climate, moisture, etc., it got bigger and
spread some more. I'm not sure why it stayed contained before.
I used to whack at it with my weedwhacker too. But last year,
I got it in my eyes and that was not "a good thing".
This year, I noticed where the bozo neighbors had dumped their lawn
grass (must have had some P.Ivy in there too) a new and unnoticed
patch of the stuff sprang up in the virgin soil there. Wow!
In in own horrific way, it's magnificent. Crap!
I cut a few roots with my bow saw, along with the white, wild and
gorgeously fragrant wild rose bush that was taking over the path.
I'm pretty strong and have battled root systems before, and these
roots would be a challenge. If I could get my car there (I can't
unfortunately) I could attached them to the bumper and pull them
out! Yes!
For now, I'm going to wait until the plants have lost their ulta
poisonous leaves, but I'm concerned with all that seed.
Best,
June
Hi Anji,
I still like fire for some things. 'Course, once I burned up
my stairs.
June
Did you have to jump down? Margaret L, who needed a laugh
Exactly. June
Err, no poison ivy, **yet**. LOL
It could grow there I'm certain of it. June
> I wonder if rubbing alcohol could be substituted for the gin?
Why bother? Just use a commercial preparation. Jerry Baker's against
commercial preparations, but I notice he's got his name on a lot of
them. Margaret L
June,
Use your pruners and cut all the vines you can
close to the ground. If they are attached to trees
just leave them in place if you choose. Place the
loose ones in a plastic garbage bag and dispose of
them. That will deplete part of the plant
reserves and dramatically reduce the number of
berries this season. Then at the proper time use
the brush strength roundup solution.
Ivy
Hi Debbie,
At first it was just a small, but well established
plot of P.Ivy.
Then, for some reason - climate, moisture, etc.,
it got bigger and
spread some more. I'm not sure why it stayed
contained before.
I used to whack at it with my weedwhacker too.
But last year,
I got it in my eyes and that was not "a good
thing".
This year, I noticed where the bozo neighbors had
dumped their lawn
grass (must have had some P.Ivy in there too) a
new and unnoticed
patch of the stuff sprang up in the virgin soil
there. Wow!
In in own horrific way, it's magnificent. Crap!
I cut a few roots with my bow saw, along with the
white, wild and
gorgeously fragrant wild rose bush that was taking
over the path.
I'm pretty strong and have battled root systems
before, and these
roots would be a challenge. If I could get my car
there (I can't
unfortunately) I could attached them to the bumper
and pull them
out! Yes!
For now, I'm going to wait until the plants have
lost their ulta
poisonous leaves, but I'm concerned with all that
seed.
Best,
June
> If it pops up, why not just pull it out?? I have
been pulling poison ivy
> for years (with appropriate protection, of
course) and it doesn't come back
> unless it is a very well-established plant.
Really not that hard to control
> manually if you just watch for new plants each
year. I usually wait a
> couple of months into the season until I've
spotted a few and am pretty sure
> there aren't any new ones I've overlooked. Then
I yank them all and bag
> them and haul them away. New seedlings will
appear almost inevitably every
> year if you live in an area where there are
woods, birds, and poison ivy.
> Debbie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gardens & Gardening
[mailto:GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu] On Behalf Of
> Barbara Martin
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 5:10 PM
> To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
> Subject: Re: The Plant From Outer Space -
Poison Ivy
> Coincidentally, this would probably coincide with
the suggested "repeat
> application(s)" needed to control it. I have
found the late season deal to
> work with just the one shot using a strong
formulation (diluted per label
> instructions). Personally I do not like to use
herbicide so I would rather
> wait and only hit it just one time and be done.
> That said, I am very allergic to it so if it
popped up near a spot I had to
> contact (eg mailbox) then my approach might be to
treat it asap and often.
> That, or move the mailbox.
> FYI Here is what the site says about it at the
consumer label level.
http://www.blueriver.net/~dorsett/notes.html
> Regional Horticulturist, National Gardening
Association
> NEW! Mid-Atlantic Report "Old Fashioned Rose
Care"
Ivy
> In a message dated 6/14/01 7:58:03 AM Pacific
Daylight Time,
plants, by applying it when
> the
> plant is putting the 'food' into the root
system.
That is great advice where possible but, like with Barb, I am very allergc
and it is wild throughout my woods and bursts into dominance at the edge.
I have to wade through it to get to the trees. Pulling a bit here or
cutting a bit there may SOUND easy but I have to dress for the occasion and
then decontaminate with technu immediately thereafter. Including washable
shoes. I have had blisters develop from simply putting on a pair of shoes a
few days after walking through the stuff.
I dedicate a pair of gloves to working near the wooded areas, use newspaper
wrapped around the plant to pull it, throwing the whole package away, and
still treat those gloves very gingerly. They even have their own storage
basket.
I am very happy to learn that I can treat PI later in the season because it
seems to be a bit less juicy then.
Esther
Thank you, Martha.
I can do that. There are areas that I leave just the way they
are, but if those are invaded by the P. Ivy, I'll never get rid
of it. Pruners it is. I need good strong ones. I'll check
Benny's.
Best,
June
Touch=E9! He makes money by diverting it from legitimate organic gar=
den
supplies.
Lee Ann
=46rom: "Margaret Lauterbach"
> I wonder if rubbing alcohol could be substituted for the gin?
Why bother? Just use a commercial preparation. Jerry Baker's against
commercial preparations, but I notice he's got his name on a lot of
them. Margaret L
That's true. He's become a commercial capitalist himself. Last junk
mail I got, I noticed his stuff isn't exactly cheap either.
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 08:51:11 -0600 Margaret Lauterbach
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:53:37 -0400 Barbara Martin
Glyphosate is effective only after foliar absorption. Following foliar
absorption, the salts of gylphosate, and it's sister compound
sulfosate, ionize and the anion is the herbicidally active portion of
the product. Following foliar absorption, glyphosate is readily
translocated throughout aerial and underground plant parts. There are
a few exceptions, the most notably being the nut-like tubers of
nutsedge. While absorption can take place through photosynthetically
active bark (green bark) it does not take place through older bark or
through cut woody stems.
The current "Brush-B-Gon" type products usually use Triclopyr, a growth
regulator type herbicide, somewhat similar to 2,4-D and dicamba, or one
of the phenoxy-carboxylic herbicides, which include 2,4-D, MCPP,
2,4-dp, etc.
In additional to possessing foliar absorption characterisicts, these
brush type herbicides can also be absorbed through roots and stems.
Glyphsate is not absorbed through roots and/or stems (unless the stems
have photosythetically active tissue present).
The keys to success with glyphosate (Roundup) is making sure the "to be
controlled weeds" are in active growth, that the product is mixed
correctly (correct percentage of active ingredient in spray), and
thorough coverage of foliage. Roundup is more effective on perennials
and woody plants at the end of the season, but you have to be careful
on timing here; if you're a little too late and the plant goes dormant
there will be no control.
One problem people have is using the pre-mix glyphosate products.
These are usually mixed at 0.5 percent, which is great for annuals and
most herbaceous perennials, but not for woody weeds or perennials with
underground stolons or rhizomes. For these you should use a spray that
is between 1.5 and 2.0 percent active. If you over mix the product,use
too high a a.i. concentration, you will get poor foliar absorption and
translocation. If you under mix you get incomplete kill. The mixing
rate is very important.
As a side note I've never had a problem with poison ivy, probably due
to the fact that as a "show-off" kid I would eat it. I now take all
the standard precautions because I know of several friends who had
their immunity or resistance suddenly change. Maybe I should have also
eated mosquitoes. :-)
Bob
----------------------
Bob (waiting for rain) Stewart
Southern Maryland (USDA Zone 7)
rs72@umail.umd.edu
> roots would be a challenge. If I could get my car there (I can't
> unfortunately) I could attached them to the bumper and pull them
> out! Yes!
A friend pulled some yuccas out of his mother's yard that way. Brought
some to my house and laid them on the driveway where they stayed in full
sun and 90 degree heat for a couple days. Every one of them suckers grew!
> For now, I'm going to wait until the plants have lost their ulta
> poisonous leaves, but I'm concerned with all that seed.
> Best,
> June
Does Preen work on PI seed?
Barb in Idaho
In a message dated 6/15/01 11:42:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
rs72@UMAIL.UMD.EDU writes:
I never had a problem either, and have heard that resistance can change
as you get older, so being older & supposedly 'wiser' have decided not to go
out of my way to find out. Maybe my drinking malathion in my 20's has helped
to keep 'Cancer' at bay.:-) Being a fair-skined, red head & sunburned
constantly from working outdoors all my life, you would think that
Skin-cancer would have reared it's head by now. Or being doused with DDT
several times when I worked with the Forest Service.
Glenn (old person, but a young gardener)
Maybe time to move....
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu] On Behalf Of june
m. dean
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 8:18 AM
To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
Subject: Re: The Plant From Outer Space - Poison Ivy
Hi Debbie,
At first it was just a small, but well established plot of P.Ivy.
Then, for some reason - climate, moisture, etc., it got bigger and
spread some more. I'm not sure why it stayed contained before.
I used to whack at it with my weedwhacker too. But last year,
I got it in my eyes and that was not "a good thing".
This year, I noticed where the bozo neighbors had dumped their lawn
grass (must have had some P.Ivy in there too) a new and unnoticed
patch of the stuff sprang up in the virgin soil there. Wow!
In in own horrific way, it's magnificent. Crap!
I cut a few roots with my bow saw, along with the white, wild and
gorgeously fragrant wild rose bush that was taking over the path.
I'm pretty strong and have battled root systems before, and these
roots would be a challenge. If I could get my car there (I can't
unfortunately) I could attached them to the bumper and pull them
out! Yes!
For now, I'm going to wait until the plants have lost their ulta
poisonous leaves, but I'm concerned with all that seed.
Best,
June
> If it pops up, why not just pull it out?? I have been pulling poison ivy
> for years (with appropriate protection, of course) and it doesn't come back
> unless it is a very well-established plant. Really not that hard to
control
> manually if you just watch for new plants each year. I usually wait a
> couple of months into the season until I've spotted a few and am pretty
sure
Hi Debbie,
Oh, no. I'd blow torch it first. June
Hi Barb,
Because of the heat, humidity, and rain this weekend was a wash
for outdoors. Mosquitoes are everywhere this year -- terrible.
Can't step out the door or water the garden without them flying
around your head or landing on your nice arm for a bite.
This is great weather for weeds. They love that stuff.
The garden beds sprout things you never knew existed.
A whole second crop of peas are blooming all by themselves.
I was going to pull them up and boom!
And of course the grass. I cut it and I think I could do it
once a day.
So the P.Ivy is gaining. Never tried Preen. I got some
Roundup.
Best,
June
Has anyone tried Preen? They keep advertising it during a radio gardening
program here. I'm wondering if it would keep the seeds from those *&%@
trash trees from growing. The kind I have a problem with release a bunch
of pods every time the wind blows, but there are always more on the trees.
At least with the &^%$ maples all the pods fall at once. Would I have to
reapply Preen every time, or would the Preen already on the soil/mulch kill
seeds dropping on it? If the Preen has to actually go on the seed, I'm
wondering how much it would cost to completely spray about 5 &%^@ trash
trees (growing in other people's yards) before the seeds fall? It might be
cheaper to pay the fine for cutting down trees in other people's yards.
Whatever the penalty, I think it would be well worth it. Actually, I'm
wondering if it would work to spray problem stuff like PI so at least you
wouldn't have to worry about new patches springing up. And how bad is
Preen environmentally speaking?
Barb in Idaho
Barb, what a great idea! I never thought of just spraying the
seeds. Definitely worth a try. I've never tried the Preen.
P.Ivy dies back and so does the bamboo type thing we got here
with tons of seeds. They are both very prolific.
I was a bit taken back as seeing all the Ivy seeds.
I wish I had known how much the bamboo type weed was going to
spread. For a few years it didn't do much.
Best,
June
There *may* be something you can spray on maples or boxwoods or poison
ivy...but that something *isn't* preen.
Preen is a pre-emergent herbicide...it prevents successful sprouting
when applied to soil and watered in. It can cause problems if you
overapply it or your soil has over 10% organic matter. You also have to
be careful applying it around potatoes, asparagus, cantaloupes,
cucumbers, and watermelons.
Sooooo, you apply it to soil in your garden beds where you have
established plants on their list.
http://www.preen.com/products/recommend_preen.asp
It can damage plants like ajuga, myrtle and pachysandra.
It's not recommended for lawns...and the recommendations do not include
control of poison ivy sproutlets or any tree seedlings...just some
grasses and broadleaf weeds like chickweed, purslane, stinging nettle,
and russian thistle
<...maybe it works best on small seeded annual weeds?>
http://www.preen.com/faqs/answers.asp
If you overapply Preen and need to neutralize what's there: Apply
activated charcoal at the rate of 1lb. per 100 sq.ft. Lightly work into
surface of soil. Water each day for 3 days. It should be neutralized two
days after that.
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsett@blueriver.net
A root is a flower that disdains fame.
In a message dated 6/18/01 10:28:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
barbb@MICRON.NET writes:
> Has anyone tried Preen?
Would I have to
reapply Preen every time, or would the Preen already on the soil/mulch kill
seeds dropping on it?=A0
Preen is a pre-emergent weed control. It does not kill seeds, but
prevents them from emerging from the soil. Works best on annual seed crops.=
Will usually last about 2-3 months plus, depending on irrigayion & rainfall.=
If applied in the Spring, it will usually prevent weeds from emerging till
Fall, when a 2nd application is needed. Needs to be watered in, as sunlight=
will deplete it's effectiveness. I like to use it in flower beds and
sometimes in Vegetable gardens where I'm not reseeding a crop till the
following year. WILL NOT kill any plant already growing past the seedling
stage. ALSO, cultivating the soil will destroy the effectiveness of Preen.=20=
(
forms a chemical barrier near the surface)
I use it mainly after I have planted new flower beds, in the Spring, so=
I can get other garden duties done & not worry about weeds.
Glenn
Can you use Preen either on top of or underneath mulch, or is it just
good on dirt?
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:02:50 EDT ---Glenn Park
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Thanks for the info, Glenn and Barb. Doesn't sound like it's anything I
want as my main complaint is with the tree seedlings. Guess I'll be taking
a chain saw to the neighbors trees. Any volunteers to take care of two
spoiled cats while I do the jail time? Only one of them bites. ;-)
Barb in Idaho
In a message dated 6/18/01 2:24:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
d-k-barker@JUNO.COM writes:
> Can you use Preen either on top of or underneath mulch, or is it just
> good on dirt?
It is not as effective on top of mulch even when watered in. The amount
of organic matter in the mulch seems to adversely effect it.
Glenn
I don't know about seeds and pods, but the Preen works really well on your
garden variety weeds.
-t
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