Karen in NJ.,
Karen , stop me if I'm wrong -- but I'm in a sort of quandray .
When I recomended seven garden powder , you responded with {NO WAY
=
- NOT ME - NO POISON IN MY GROUND WATER } , now you are trying to find =
some other chemical to add to roundup to make it a more powerful POISON
=
-- where is this combination of chemicals going to end up?
I read the instructions on both , they say - keep away from =
children .
Did someone mistakenly make you believe roundup is not a poison ? -
=
shame on them ///
Is this a case of the NEED justifing the END - or am I reading it =
wrong ///
mrmac
She was asking for someone else who wants to use Round-up...
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of
mrmac
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 10:43 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: POISON////
Karen in NJ.,
Karen , stop me if I'm wrong -- but I'm in a sort of quandray .
When I recomended seven garden powder , you responded with {NO WAY
-
NOT ME - NO POISON IN MY GROUND WATER } , now you are trying to find
some
other chemical to add to roundup to make it a more powerful POISON --
where
is this combination of chemicals going to end up?
I read the instructions on both , they say - keep away from
children .
Did someone mistakenly make you believe roundup is not a poison ? -
shame on them ///
Is this a case of the NEED justifing the END - or am I reading it
wrong
///
mrmac
Correct, Debbie; I was asking for a friend.
However, to set the record straight, I do admit to using Round-Up once
in a
while on my rather small piece of property:
1) to kill POISON IVY (which I am very allergic to and presently am
afflicted with a rash ).
2) to kill the mysterious shoots of Pawlonia (Empress tree) which keep
appearing in strange places, including growing up right thru the asphalt
driveway that was done just before we bought this place (obviously by
someone who didn't know what he was doing, as it is erupting in many
places,
not just with Pawlonia shoots!)
I admit to being under the impression that Round Up is not as toxic to
animal life, water tables, etc as other herbicides. I don't use
pesticides
at all. Occasionally I use horticultural oil and some, but normally, I
don't
spray my cultivated plants with anything but water (to get aphids off,
eg).
But when it comes to Poison Ivy (and the Pawlonias) I will resort to the
RU.
I suppose if I were farming, I would try my damndest to use organic
methods -- IMHO, I believe from reading and seeing documentaries that
there
are methods that discourage infestation and disease, and that vicious
cycles
can be created with regular pesticide use.
One more thing: I don't use well water; if I did, I'd probably be a lot
more
cautious about what I put in the soil. Eg) the site behind our house
was an
EPA contaminated site - years ago there was a smelting factory there --
it
has been a vacant "lot" for 20 years at least, and altho it may have
been
crazy to buy this house, it is because of that site (now partially
covered
with native trees, poison ivy, etc), that we have the "wildlife" we
treasure. We have more species of birds on our property than most other
people in town.
Nothing's perfect I guess.
karen, nj
---- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah Green"
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: POISON////
> She was asking for someone else who wants to use Round-up...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of
mrmac
WAY -
> NOT ME - NO POISON IN MY GROUND WATER } , now you are trying to find
some
> other chemical to add to roundup to make it a more powerful POISON --
where
> is this combination of chemicals going to end up?
> I read the instructions on both , they say - keep away from
children
.
> Did someone mistakenly make you believe roundup is not a poison ?
-
> shame on them ///
> Is this a case of the NEED justifing the END - or am I reading it
wrong
Thank you Karen,
]
Saw my pictures did you , Yes I am one of the {IDIOTS } WITH 2
PAWLONIA TREES , but have been assured they will NOT blossom this far
north - so very little if any chance of spreading ///
mrmac
in
a
asphalt
> driveway that was done just before we bought this place (obviously by
> someone who didn't know what he was doing, as it is erupting in many
places,
> not just with Pawlonia shoots!)
> I admit to being under the impression that Round Up is not as toxic to
> animal life, water tables, etc as other herbicides. I don't use
pesticides
> at all. Occasionally I use horticultural oil and some, but normally, I
don't
> spray my cultivated plants with anything but water (to get aphids off,
eg).
> But when it comes to Poison Ivy (and the Pawlonias) I will resort to
the
RU.
> I suppose if I were farming, I would try my damndest to use organic
> methods -- IMHO, I believe from reading and seeing documentaries that
there
> are methods that discourage infestation and disease, and that vicious
cycles
> can be created with regular pesticide use.
> One more thing: I don't use well water; if I did, I'd probably be a
lot
more
> cautious about what I put in the soil. Eg) the site behind our house
was
an
> EPA contaminated site - years ago there was a smelting factory there
-- it
> has been a vacant "lot" for 20 years at least, and altho it may have
been
> crazy to buy this house, it is because of that site (now partially
covered
> with native trees, poison ivy, etc), that we have the "wildlife" we
> treasure. We have more species of birds on our property than most
other
Of
WAY -
> NOT ME - NO POISON IN MY GROUND WATER } , now you are trying to find
some
> other chemical to add to roundup to make it a more powerful POISON
--
> where
> is this combination of chemicals going to end up?
> I read the instructions on both , they say - keep away from
children
> .
> Did someone mistakenly make you believe roundup is not a poison
? -
> shame on them ///
> Is this a case of the NEED justifing the END - or am I reading
it
A tree with gorgeous flowers, really, and valuable wood, at least as far
as
the Japanese are concerned, Pawlonia has IMHO become an invasive pest
in
Central NJ -- they seem to behave much like the Ailanthus which grows in
every available crevice in NYC.
I understand that there's a Pawlonia Allee at a famous PA garden which
shall
go nameless here (mostly because I'm having a senior moment and can't
REMEMBER the name); wonder if that could be the source of all the
saplings.
;o)
The one we had pop up next to our garage last summer grew about a foot a
day, and looked like something from a SciFi movie, or perhaps 3 Mile
sland - H was astonished
I have friends who have a Catalpa that they chop (coppice?) down to 4
feet
tall every spring, just to get this effect. Weird.
karen
once
in
keep
> appearing in strange places, including growing up right thru the
asphalt
> driveway that was done just before we bought this place (obviously
by
> someone who didn't know what he was doing, as it is erupting in many
> places,
> not just with Pawlonia shoots!)
> I admit to being under the impression that Round Up is not as toxic
to
> animal life, water tables, etc as other herbicides. I don't use
> pesticides
> at all. Occasionally I use horticultural oil and some, but normally,
I
> don't
> spray my cultivated plants with anything but water (to get aphids
off,
> eg).
> But when it comes to Poison Ivy (and the Pawlonias) I will resort to
the
> RU.
> I suppose if I were farming, I would try my damndest to use organic
> methods -- IMHO, I believe from reading and seeing documentaries
that
> there
> are methods that discourage infestation and disease, and that
vicious
> cycles
> can be created with regular pesticide use.
> One more thing: I don't use well water; if I did, I'd probably be a
lot
> more
> cautious about what I put in the soil. Eg) the site behind our
house
was
> an
> EPA contaminated site - years ago there was a smelting factory there
--
it
> has been a vacant "lot" for 20 years at least, and altho it may have
been
> crazy to buy this house, it is because of that site (now partially
covered
> with native trees, poison ivy, etc), that we have the "wildlife" we
> treasure. We have more species of birds on our property than most
other
Behalf Of
.
> When I recomended seven garden powder , you responded with
{NO
> WAY -
> NOT ME - NO POISON IN MY GROUND WATER } , now you are trying to
find
> some
> other chemical to add to roundup to make it a more powerful POISON
--
poison
? -
> shame on them ///
> Is this a case of the NEED justifing the END - or am I
reading it
