> Human urine kills some kinds of fungi that attack plants. The urine
> should be fresh and should be applied all over the plant.
It's said here to work on warts too. April
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It kills some plants too! Esp. jasmine, azalea...Conifers love it.
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it is supposed to work on earaches also. Though I dont think I will try
it.
> Human urine kills some kinds of fungi that attack plants. The urine
> should be fresh and should be applied all over the plant.
It's said here to work on warts too. April
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April
vgplugs@primeline.com
In the Smoky Mountains, Waynesville, NC, Zone 6
Human urine kills some kinds of fungi that attack plants. The urine
> should be fresh and should be applied all over the plant.
So should we pee all over our fungus? I'd think that it would kill the
plants, or you'dhave some stinky flowers. I don't know much about this
stuff, but would you use that on vegetables? Kind of unsafe for eating.
Jessie
Actually, the Chinese began using Western type agricultural procedures in
the mid 50s or so and I recall reading in the Beijing Daily News while
there in 1991 that the average organic content in Chinese agricultural land
was 0.5%. They contrasted this to 1.0% in the U.S. (which is still
pathetic).
The whole gist of the article was to encourage peasants (their term for
farmers) to return all possible organic wastes to the soil.
Chuck
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In a message dated 12/8/96 10:14:41 PM, you wrote:
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stuff, but would you use that on vegetables? Kind of unsafe for eating.
Jessie>>
Most plants are not damaged by a single application of urine. Spraying the
urine--I'd use a sticker like ivory liquid, but then be careful to avoid
beneficial insects--can get good coverage with less volume. The urine MUST
be fresh, both for the antibiotic benefits and because as it ferments it
generates ammonia and this CAN burn plants. If you pee on the same plant
rePEEtedly, you know the results. But if peeing on plants from time to time
killed them, everything by the side of the highway would be dead.
Unless you have a very large family or run an army base or something, you are
not going to treat an entire orchard in one day with fresh urine. Think
about it! If there are adverse effects, you'll know before you get far into
the program. With woody plants, if the leaves die, new ones will grow.
Some folks on the west coast used FERMENTED urine to fertilize and weed
onions. The onions shed the urine from their leaves but it clung to weeds,
many of which have hairy leaves, and killed them. It sounds a little
cumbersome to me--my favorite with onions is a living mulch of trifolium
repens (white Dutch clover) if possible, otherwise mulch with some high
nutrient dead organic material, preferably half-decayed.
Normally, with vegetables, I use urine more as fertilizer. We went over all
this about six months ago on this list. Maybe someone will pull all that
together for a FAQ on urine in the garden. Yes, I avoid applying it on
broccoli that has formed a head, because it would be hard to wash out if it
splashed.
Everything in nature is of some use to something else in nature. The more we
plug ourselves into these cycles, the more parts of our lives we can unplug
from the industrial cash economy that eats everyone up.
For Mother Earth, Dan Hemenway, Yankee Permaculture Publications (since
1982), Elfin Permaculture workshops, lectures, Permaculture Design Courses,
consulting and permaculture designs (since 1981), and now permaculture
correspondence training with an email classroom. Copyright, 1996, Dan &
Cynthia Hemenway, P.O. Box 2052, Ocala FL 34478 2052. YankeePerm@aol.com
If its not in our food chain, we're not thinking.
In a message dated 12/9/96 4:20:16 AM, William wrote:
<pathogenic condition. Normal urine is virtually sterile. Any doctors on
the list that can confirm this or otherwise.
I think the only reason that there are so many Chinese is because they
(figuratively speaking) pee on their vegetables. That is they have long
since learned to recycle everything that can be recycled. With fishing
in the sea and recycling these waste products, they could even have a net
gain on the land. Imagine what China would look like now if it had had
5000 years(or is it more) of the type of agriculture practiced in much of
the western world for the past cetury.
William
whgames@pan.uzulu.ac.za
Hi William
I got pounced upon by a physician for saying that urine is virtually
"sterile." Human beings, like most life forms, are colonies of organisms,
mostly living in harmony approaching and/or reaching symbiosis. There are
critters living in our urniary tracts. Since the outside of a plant is not
much like the inside of a urinary tract, they are unlikely to survive.
Nonetheless, as we just discussed on this list a few months ago, urine has
anti-bacterial properties, albeit that some harmless bacteria are resistant.
The anti-fungal properties probably keep fungal disease in that area of the
body from being more of a problem than they are. Obviously, since people do
get fungal and yeast infections, the fungicidal characteristics are mild.
The best treatment on diseases that can be transmitted by urine is in the
HUMANURE BOOK by Joe Jenkins. (We carry it and we can give details if
requested by private email.) I've been pissing IN the garden since I was
three (now 57) and I've been consciously using urine in the garden in a
systematic way for about 15 or 20 years. I don't get sick much and when I do
it is because I am surrounded by people who are very sick. It doesn't seem
to have harmed me. We DID have a problem in Jacksonville, Florida, where we
believe that the well and the septics system were much too close, and
everyone had low-grade intestinal disorder perpetually. When we switched to
bottled water, the problem went away. We've never had such a response from
vegetables grown with urine. Of course, we wash them if there is a remote
chance that urine remains. Once it starts to break down, it can support
various life-forms that we may not wish to house.
Generally, urinary tract disorders excepted, urine is regarded as safe to
DRINK though this is one time where I don't need first hand experience.
Commandos learn to do so in survival training and there is a branch of
wholistic health that feels that to do so is health promoting. Fortunately,
I'm healthy anyway.
For Mother Earth, Dan Hemenway, Yankee Permaculture Publications (since
1982), Elfin Permaculture workshops, lectures, Permaculture Design Courses,
consulting and permaculture designs (since 1981), and now permaculture
correspondence training with an email classroom. Copyright, 1996, Dan & Cynthi
a Hemenway, P.O. Box 2052, Ocala FL 34478 2052. YankeePerm@aol.com
If its not in our food chain, we're not thinking.
Now we are getting convoluted. I re-read my post in a reply to William and I
have a reply to myself. Hang on if you live in the tropics or subtropics.
It might be more interesting than it sounds.
A problem in some places, is the growing of crops, say for example apples,
that require a dormant period that is triggered by environmental stress, such
as cold, drought, etc. Well, if you live in paradise, you don't get to enjoy
such stresses and what's a poor plant to do. I believe someone else covered
this very topic (on this list?) in the past week. Well, cutting off every
leaf could be a bit tedious. I'm not one to undertake such prissy fuss and
fiddling around. But maybe spraying FERMENTED urine on the leaves could
knock those suckers off in a big hurry while giving a little shot of
fertilizer to whatever is waiting to grow in the understory. This is worth a
try. Most people in the world are severely limited in available resources,
but they all piss. It is something everyone can afford.
Anyone want to volunteer a peach tree? I Siberian Pea Tree?
For Mother Earth, Dan Hemenway, Yankee Permaculture Publications (since
1982), Elfin Permaculture workshops, lectures, Permaculture Design Courses,
consulting and permaculture designs (since 1981), and now permaculture
correspondence training with an email classroom. Copyright, 1996, Dan &
Cynthia Hemenway, P.O. Box 2052, Ocala FL 34478 2052. YankeePerm@aol.com
If its not in our food chain, we're not thinking.
<<> Unless you have a very large family or run an army base or something, you
are
> not going to treat an entire orchard in one day with fresh urine. Think
> about it! If there are adverse effects, you'll know before you get far
into
I seem to remember that bacteria in urine is a sign of some sort of
pathogenic condition. Normal urine is virtually sterile. Any doctors on
the list that can confirm this or otherwise.
I think the only reason that there are so many Chinese is because they
(figuratively speaking) pee on their vegetables. That is they have long
since learned to recycle everything that can be recycled. With fishing
in the sea and recycling these waste products, they could even have a net
gain on the land. Imagine what China would look like now if it had had
5000 years(or is it more) of the type of agriculture practiced in much of
the western world for the past cetury.
William
whgames@pan.uzulu.ac.za
I would like to refer members of the list to "Never Cry Wolf" by Farley
Mowatt for instructions on the judicial application of urine to target
locations.
William
whgames@pan.uzulu.ac.za
In a message dated 12/9/96 2:43:40 PM, you wrote:
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Dr E E Oettle B.V.Sc. Ph.D>>
Anything that kills jasmine is fine with me. I'd much, much rather have
kudzu. It is less invasive. Our new place is infested with it. Before I
launch the war on jasmine that I have already declared, here, does anyone
have an uses for jasmine? Yes, the scent is wonderful, but not at the
expense of the wild environment. But if the plants have some herbal use, I'd
be most interested. I'm not going to let them flower again, so it has to be
the vegetative portion.
Are there any basketmakers on the list. Are the vines useful in
basketmaking? They look like stuff I saw Mangayan women working on Mindoro
in the Philippines, but I don't think the tensile strength is as great.
For Mother Earth, Dan Hemenway, Yankee Permaculture Publications (since
1982), Elfin Permaculture workshops, lectures, Permaculture Design Courses,
consulting and permaculture designs (since 1981), and now permaculture
correspondence training with an email classroom. Copyright, 1996, Dan &
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If its not in our food chain, we're not thinking.
Dan,
Yes, Jasmine does have medicinal uses. Jasmine oil is used in
aromatherapy and a strong infusion of the flowers may be added to water
for a relaxing bath. In the past century it was made into a cough
syrup, I doubt they use it for that anymore.
Charity Hagen
greanthumb@juno.com
On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:06:39 -0500 Dan Hemenway
writes:
Charity:
You seem to have missed the part where I said that I will not allow the
jasmine to flower because it is an ecological disaster. Nip the flowers and
the birds cant spread the berries.
What part is the oil made from? Is this an oil infusion or an oil like olive
oil that is from the plant stated? If I can use the leaves, stem and roots
in the process of destroying the plant I will do so. Otherwise, I'll just
burn the vines and roots. It will take the rest of my life, at least, to get
rid of what is on our place. God only knows how far the birds have spread
it.
Dan Hemenway
PS Brooklyn Botanic Gardens recently published a book on invasive plants in
North America. Jasmine was right there with purple loosetrife and kudzu.
In a message dated 12/10/96 11:22:49 AM, Charity wrote:
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aromatherapy and a strong infusion of the flowers may be added to water
for a relaxing bath. In the past century it was made into a cough
syrup, I doubt they use it for that anymore.
Charity Hagen
greanthumb@juno.com
On Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:06:39 -0500 Dan Hemenway
writes:
Why do you say it is an ecological disaster? I love jasmine, it smells
so sweet and pretty and it is a beautiful plant. I am growing a vine
right now and I can't wait until next spring when it flowers. I think
the oil is an infusion, I only quoted you what my herb book says, I have
seen jasmine oil in a few stores but I have never used it. The flowers
are the only useful part. I can tell that you have it all over the
place, I guess if I did I would probably want to get rid of it too, but
to each his own.
Charity Hagen
greanthumb@juno.com
On Wed, 11 Dec 1996 07:17:44 -0500 Dan Hemenway
writes:
I'm guessing he's saying it's a disaster because it's been listed as an
invasive pest weed which will go wild and snuff out native plants..
Shelley
casandra@oeonline.com
Zone 6a in Michigan
Well I guess the invasion hasn't hit my neck of the woods yet in southern
california because I hardly ever see jasmine out here.
Charity Hagen
greanthumb@juno.com
In a message dated 12/11/96 1:29:43 PM, you wrote:
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right now and I can't wait until next spring when it flowers. I think
the oil is an infusion, I only quoted you what my herb book says, I have
seen jasmine oil in a few stores but I have never used it. The flowers
are the only useful part. I can tell that you have it all over the
place, I guess if I did I would probably want to get rid of it too, but
to each his own.
Charity Hagen
greanthumb@juno.com
Hi Charity:
Well actually I love jasmine and was delighted to have some on our new place
as the aroma, if not too close (overpowering) is ambrosial. However, I got a
review copy of a book on rampant species in the mail last month from Brooklyn
Botanic Gardens. They listed Jasmine as one of the really terrible species,
like purple loostrife, that has gone beserk in the US and crowded out native
species, etc.
So I started paying attention (after I finally had time to check out the
book) and noticed that Jasmine had been seeded in, presumably by birds, all
over. Moreover, in conjunction with the native grapes, which never suppress
tree regeneration here on their own, jasmine has completely dominated an
opening in the woods of at least 1/3 acre. This has been open long enough
for the logs that had been piled there to rot to humus and the oaks nearby to
reach over and grab much of the unused light. If you could see the way the
native cabbage palms reseed and take off in such areas, you wouldn't believe
sweet little jasmine could prevent them from executing their vibrant vertical
thrust. But NOTHING has regenerated in this area. And I see jasmine srouting
all over the place, presumably from this one plant in the front of what is
now OUR house, that could not have been there more than a mere 15 years. As
much as I love jasmine, I'm not about to let my preferences for an exotic
plant that smells nice overpower my deeper concern that our natural world be
allowed to function. So I have declared war on jasmine. I'm sure that there
were people in Australia (I won't get gender specific, here) who thought that
the baby bunnies were cute and what harm could they do. Australia, nothing,
I have had that experience in Kansas where one of the farm=manager couples
objected to burning out a rabbit warren that was a veritable infestation
because there were bunnies inside. The point of the farm was to demonstrate
sustainable food production, which can't be done of the organic mowers level
it every night. Ah, I'm struck by PDBR (pre-death, brain rot) again and I
can't remember the relevant poem about nature--something like red of tooth
and claw, but I can't remember the name.
Well, that's as much of an answer as I have time for. More, really
For Mother Earth, Dan Hemenway, Yankee Permaculture Publications (since
1982), Elfin Permaculture workshops, lectures, Permaculture Design Courses,
consulting and permaculture designs (since 1981), and now permaculture
correspondence training with an email classroom. Copyright, 1996, Dan &
Cynthia Hemenway, P.O. Box 2052, Ocala FL 34478 2052. YankeePerm@aol.com
If its not in our food chain, we're not thinking.
