Hi folks, I have a few questions for those in the know. Ben's little
league baseball coach works for our town and is in charge of spraying
malathion throughout our very small town's streets to stop mosquitoes in our
area. As I was working in the garden (about 280 feet straight uphill from
the road where the truck was sending out a cloud of the stuff) I could smell
it. Do I write off my apple trees in the front yard (only 20-50 feet away
from the road), and is this stuff reaching my beds 280 feet from the road?
I'm running out of places to put my plants since losing my main beds to the
CCA fence of my neighbor's.
Are there any places I can go to gather literature to send my dim witted
town council and mayor regarding spraying verses other measures of control?
Is this decimating my lovely bat population? I love to sit on the front
porch and watch them dive bomb pesties in the summer evenings.
Is there a way to make them stop?
Laura
Laura McKenzie wrote:
> As I was working in the garden (about 280 feet straight uphill from
> the road where the truck was sending out a cloud of the stuff) I could
smell
> it.
Hm. What time of day was this? It's very possible (in fact, probable) that
the spraying was being done in violation of federal guidelines.
I'd raise holy hell about the stuff being sprayed *at all*. It's nasty.
Being a cholinesterase inhibitor, it can cause damage in fairly small
dosages via inhalation, though there've not been a ton of human cases where
any major links to [insert disease here] have been made. It *is* however
very very toxic to a goodly number of fish and some birds.
Worst of all, the stuff is horrifically deadly to honeybees, and is not
supposed to be applied when bees may be foraging, meaning pretty much any
time during daylight hours, especially in spring and early summer. Trouble
is, I dunno who you should call. Perhaps an investigative reporter or
something...?
Jason
Jason, I've been stewing for the past hour and doing as much searching as I
can. The spraying is going on 1/5th of a mile from a creek. I might find
something that way. I also have a daughter with asthma. Perhaps that would
convince them to make my area "no spray". To be honest I'm sick about the
whole thing and about ready to give up and move AWAY! My husband's state
PBS network could lose enough funding this summer to be closed down anyway.
How can one find the resources and time to fight all this moronic stuff?
Discouraged and sad and TIRED,
Laura
Have you done a web search for information? A couple that I found quickly
are www.chem-tox.com/malathion/research/ and www.ncchem.com.malathioj.htm
one of which is the University of Forida Medical school. The New York State
Department of Health also has one that says basically that malathion is
safe, but that you should limit your exposure immediately and for about 30
minutes after application.
Kimm
I feel for you Laura. If the same thing happened to me more than once I
would probably be in jail for a long time. Talking about weapons of sneaky
mass destruction that is a good bit worse than anything any Iraqi ever did
to America!
I am fairly certain that this is a good bit worse than your neighbor's CCA
fence. The sad truth is that if you can smell it then it got to you.
There surely must be more concerned people you could join up with? I would
start with boycotting the little league baseball.
john
> Jason, I've been stewing for the past hour and doing as much searching as
I
> can. The spraying is going on 1/5th of a mile from a creek. I might find
> something that way. I also have a daughter with asthma. Perhaps that
would
> convince them to make my area "no spray". To be honest I'm sick about
the
> whole thing and about ready to give up and move AWAY! My husband's state
> PBS network could lose enough funding this summer to be closed down
anyway.
Kimm wrote:
<
exposure immediately and for about 30 minutes after application.>>
This is risk communication, and is totally misleading. Malathion is not
safe for anyone who is down wind of Malathion drift or agricultural
runoff. If you wish to learn more about malathion, I'll mail to you
what I mailed privately to Laura. Malathion is a very dangerous
chemical compound, even if used as directed on the label --which is the
law. The federal law also prohibits stating that any pesticide is safe.
Check out: ''Does government registration mean that a pesticide is safe?
''
http://www.pesticide.org/BasicRegistration.pdf
Laura McKenzie wrote:
Laura
I do sympathise, this wholesale spraying of suburbs is a real horror of
modern life, as not only does it endanger the health of evey person in
the neighbourhood (under the guise of saving them from one pest or
another), but it so often employs a wide-spectrum insecticide such as
malathion as well and one wonders if _any_ insects(good bad _or_
beautiful) survive its assault. No wonder many folks in your country
wonder where all the bees have gone, for instance.
As to your enquiry about your plants, while it will contaminate their
crop if ready for eating in the immediate future, it will not actually
do them any harm and by harvest time, if the sprayers don't keep coming
back, your fruit should I think be perfectly safe to eat. Ornamental
beds should certainly not suffer any direct problems, but edible crops
coming ready in the next couple of months might carry traces I
imagine.(can't say for certain how long such contamination might last).
Moira
--
Tony & Moira Ryan,
Wainuiomata, North Island, NZ. Pictures of our garden at:-
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/cherie1/Garden/TonyandMoira/index.htm
you can still get it at walmart
Byron
years ago.
Some reading material
It was removed from sales a feew
years ago.
Some reading material
http://www.chem-tox.com/malathion/research/
it isnt the full strength it is about 50 percent but it works good for me.I didnt know they had stopped selling it.Walmart is the only place I have ever tried to buy it.Why did they stop selling
Byron
have been pulled from every competitors shelves.
My first experience, HD in CA was selling Pressure Treated lumber
3 years after my local lumber yards stopped selling it.
--- In TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com, Everette Spratling
Nothing New, Wal Mart and Home Depot can sell products after they
have been pulled from every competitors shelves.
My first experience, HD in CA was selling Pressure Treated lumber
3 years after my local lumber yards stopped selling it.
--- In TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com, Everette Spratling
everette_spratling@... wrote:
you can still get it at walmart
Byron Byron101540@... wrote: It was removed from sales a feew
years ago.
Some reading material
http://www.chem-tox.com/malathion/research/
B,
A store (any store) can continue to sell what they
have in stock. When a product like malathion is
pulled it just means the producer isn't allowed to
make it any more.
And to whoever wanted to know why this marvelous stuff
was yanked: It causes birth defects, brain damage,
nerve damage, kidney damage, deforms genes so your
children are also damaged, and has a loooonnnnggggg
life in the great outdoors so it continues to kill
EVERYTHING for a very long time. In the water supply
(it was used for mosquito control) it kills fish,
frogs, turtles, shore birds, water birds, and the
little boy next door who swam in the pond.
Oh, yeah, then there was the genius who poured the
lice medicine straight onto his kids' heads and killed
a couple of the kids. Great stuff, though-- killed the
lice. Too bad he didn't smoke a cigarette before he
washed his hands...
Anything chemical that can kill an insect can kill
YOU. These chemicals work by shutting down the nerve
centers in an insect's body and you have nerve
centers, too.
If everyone who bought a chemical actually read the
label, it would never be bought again. There are some
VERY scary things out there, kids, and some of them
are even labelled organic. (Read the Safer Soap
label sometime... wear gloves while you read it.)
Y'all be careful out there...
Dev in OK
zone 7a
...where the strongest chemical used is capsicum...
although I'm fairly fond of dish soap, too...
===
Nothing New, Wal Mart and Home Depot can sell
products after they
have been pulled from every competitors shelves.
My first experience, HD in CA was selling Pressure
Treated lumber
3 years after my local lumber yards stopped selling
it.
I googled buy malathion and found numerous websites selling it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Byron Byron101540@yahoo.com
To: TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:33 AM
Subject: [TheVeggiePatch] Re: Malathion
Dev,
What surprises me, the High Volume stores are still selling the
stuff 3 to 5 years after the Local stores stopped/ran out(?).
B,
--- In TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com, Dev Vallencourt
vtbeachldy@... wrote:
B,
A store (any store) can continue to sell what they
have in stock. When a product like malathion is
pulled it just means the producer isn't allowed to
make it any more.
snip
Yahoo! Groups Links
Dev,
What surprises me, the High Volume stores are still selling the
stuff 3 to 5 years after the Local stores stopped/ran out(?).
B,
--- In TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com, Dev Vallencourt
vtbeachldy@... wrote:
B,
A store (any store) can continue to sell what they
have in stock. When a product like malathion is
pulled it just means the producer isn't allowed to
make it any more.
snip
It appears to be more controled at the state level and also the
seller,
I can remember CA stopping the sale of 10% rotenone, a couple CA
online sellers continued to sell it..
I am waiting for a note from my County Agent, I believe it's banned
here
It also appears that the FIFRA act of 1996 allowed a 10 year study
before removing the registration/license
Byron
--- In TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com, Rachel August
rachelaugust@... wrote:
I googled buy malathion and found numerous websites selling it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Byron Byron101540@...
To: TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 6:33 AM
Subject: [TheVeggiePatch] Re: Malathion
Dev,
What surprises me, the High Volume stores are still selling the
stuff 3 to 5 years after the Local stores stopped/ran out(?).
B,
--- In TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com, Dev Vallencourt
vtbeachldy@ wrote:
B,
A store (any store) can continue to sell what they
have in stock. When a product like malathion is
pulled it just means the producer isn't allowed to
make it any more.
snip
Yahoo! Groups Links
Hate to say it but they still make and sell it!
http://www.ortho.com/index.cfm/event/ProductGuide.product/documentId/8df7b5769dd459734fe67fbc52417687
Dev Vallencourt
B,
A store (any store) can continue to sell what they
have in stock. When a product like malathion is
"pulled" it just means the producer isn't allowed to
make it any more.
And to whoever wanted to know why this marvelous stuff
was yanked: It causes birth defects, brain damage,
nerve damage, kidney damage, deforms genes so your
children are also damaged, and has a loooonnnnggggg
life in the great outdoors so it continues to kill
EVERYTHING for a very long time. In the water supply
(it was used for mosquito control) it kills fish,
frogs, turtles, shore birds, water birds, and the
little boy next door who swam in the pond.
Oh, yeah, then there was the genius who poured the
lice medicine straight onto his kids' heads and killed
a couple of the kids. Great stuff, though-- killed the
lice. Too bad he didn't smoke a cigarette before he
washed his hands...
Anything chemical that can kill an insect can kill
YOU. These chemicals work by shutting down the nerve
centers in an insect's body and you have nerve
centers, too.
If everyone who bought a chemical actually read the
label, it would never be bought again. There are some
VERY scary things out there, kids, and some of them
are even labelled "organic". (Read the Safer Soap
label sometime... wear gloves while you read it.)
Y'all be careful out there...
Dev in OK
zone 7a
...where the strongest chemical used is capsicum...
although I'm fairly fond of dish soap, too...
===
<
have been pulled from every competitors shelves.
My first experience, HD in CA was selling Pressure
Treated lumber
3 years after my local lumber yards stopped selling
it.
Byron what state you live in that has more say so than the EPA?
--- In TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com, Byron Byron101540@...
wrote:
BUT You are a registered pesticide applicator? Correct??
Your not doing this as just Joe/Jane Homeowner??
Byron
--- In TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com, Gogglzepizano@ wrote:
I'm a pest control tech in California and they are using it here
at
a ratio of 50%, at least that's what is says on the label. We use
it
in our power sparyers. I'm not very fond of it though. Dana
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Cowboy copehagen_cowboy@
Hate to say it but they still make and sell it!
http://www.ortho.com/index.cfm/event/ProductGuide.product/documentId/8
df7b5769dd
459734fe67fbc52417687
Dev Vallencourt vtbeachldy@ wrote:
B,
A store (any store) can continue to sell what they
have in stock. When a product like malathion is
pulled it just means the producer isn't allowed to
make it any more.
And to whoever wanted to know why this marvelous stuff
was yanked: It causes birth defects, brain damage,
nerve damage, kidney damage, deforms genes so your
children are also damaged, and has a loooonnnnggggg
life in the great outdoors so it continues to kill
EVERYTHING for a very long time. In the water supply
(it was used for mosquito control) it kills fish,
frogs, turtles, shore birds, water birds, and the
little boy next door who swam in the pond.
Oh, yeah, then there was the genius who poured the
lice medicine straight onto his kids' heads and killed
a couple of the kids. Great stuff, though-- killed the
lice. Too bad he didn't smoke a cigarette before he
washed his hands...
Anything chemical that can kill an insect can kill
YOU. These chemicals work by shutting down the nerve
centers in an insect's body and you have nerve
centers, too.
If everyone who bought a chemical actually read the
label, it would never be bought again. There are some
VERY scary things out there, kids, and some of them
are even labelled organic. (Read the Safer Soap
label sometime... wear gloves while you read it.)
Y'all be careful out there...
Dev in OK
zone 7a
...where the strongest chemical used is capsicum...
although I'm fairly fond of dish soap, too...
===
Nothing New, Wal Mart and Home Depot can sell
products after they
have been pulled from every competitors shelves.
My first experience, HD in CA was selling Pressure
Treated lumber
3 years after my local lumber yards stopped selling
it.
what state you live in that has more say so than the EPA?
Actually the way I understand the way that most of these type laws work
is that the state can have STRICTER laws then the Feds, but if the federal
law is stronger, (more restrictions) it RULES and the state's opinion be
danged.
That holds true for all kinds of things from pesticide to food
processing and is also where there is a battle for sovereignty in the drug
war. (The use of medical Marijuana). The HUGE property rights/eminent domain
issue that exploded in CT was another case. The Supreme Court determined
that those issues were under the jurisdiction of the State hence the folks
in New London got officially screwed. All because the paid off legislators
and courts had already determined that a local government can take any land
they want for any reason including filling the tax coffers by selling to the
highest dollar.
(Does anyone detect that this is a hot button issue for me??? LOL!!)
Carol A Sharpe
Sharwa Farm
Fayetteville TN
(Southern middle TN)
From the US Public Interest Research Group's website:
The main U.S. law for chemicals regulation is the
1976 Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA). Under TSCA,
the EPA has the authority to ban chemicals, but must
take on such a great burden for action that they have
not banned a chemical since PCBs were banned in 1976.
I think this says it all and I'm bowing out of the
conversation after this.
I'm a certified pesticide applicator in the state of
Oklahoma, and yet I grow everything organically,
naturally, and without benefit of purchased
chemicals. (No, we're not Certified Organic-- not
enough time on the farm, yet).
And, yes, chemical control is handled state by state,
with the most stringent being California.
Dev in OK
zone 7a
"Actually the way I understand the way that most of these type laws work is
that the state can have STRICTER laws then the Feds, but if the federal law
is stronger, (more restrictions) it RULES and the state's opinion be danged.
"
What you are referring to is the Supremacy Clause of Article VI, paragraph 2
of the U.S. Constitution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_clause).
This states (paraphrasing) that no state shall have the authority to make a
law that contradicts the Constitution, if such law does exist, the
Constitution will be the recognized law. This is a hot issue in Oregon with
assisted suicide and medical marijuana.
Originally, the federal government was charged with only three items
regarding governing the states: issuing a general currency, national
protection (militia), and one other that I can never remember. All other
areas of government were left up to the states. This is why I get a crack
out of federal mandates about education since the federal government has
ZERO say in how individual states run their education programs. Although,
the government is very good at withholding money from states until they do
what they want (referred to as unfunded mandates).
I work at a hardware store in Florida and I believe we still
malathion on the shelf.Hmmmmm... now I will have to go look.I sure
wouldn't use it.
Blessings,
Susan
-- In TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com, Lonnie St. John
bigdaddy4838@... wrote:
Actually the way I understand the way that most of these type
laws work is
that the state can have STRICTER laws then the Feds, but if the
federal law
is stronger, (more restrictions) it RULES and the state's opinion
be danged.
What you are referring to is the Supremacy Clause of Article VI,
paragraph 2
of the U.S. Constitution
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_clause).
This states (paraphrasing) that no state shall have the authority
to make a
law that contradicts the Constitution, if such law does exist, the
Constitution will be the recognized law. This is a hot issue in
Oregon with
assisted suicide and medical marijuana.
Originally, the federal government was charged with only three
items
regarding governing the states: issuing a general currency,
national
protection (militia), and one other that I can never remember.
All other
areas of government were left up to the states. This is why I get
a crack
out of federal mandates about education since the federal
government has
ZERO say in how individual states run their education programs.
Although,
the government is very good at withholding money from states until
they do
what they want (referred to as unfunded mandates).
At 08:33 AM 5/29/2006, Lonnie St John wrote:
This is why I get a crack out of federal mandates about education
since the federal government has ZERO say in how individual states
run their education programs.
Things have changed in the past 200 plus years this country has been
in existence. The Constitution says nothing about the internet, or
about the environment, either. Some things can't or shouldnt be left
up to the states, even though they are not covered by the constitution.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the point about education, just
making a point about the realities of life in the 21st century vs the
realities of life in the 18th century.
Jeanne
