You might want to check out some of the other forms of ivy, though...a
variation of leaf forms might give you the ivy look you enjoy and stall the
complaints before they start.
Sounds like a good idea. Suggestions?
Mariposa
You're about where I am as far as picking out good options is concerned.
I've been growing some ivies as indoor plants, but that's it...so far.
This page suggests several that are hardy in parts of Connecticut:
http://www.hort.uconn.edu/plants/h/hedhel/hedhel3.html
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsettm@scin.quik.com
Never enough thyme in this garden of mine.
Hedera helix 'Gold Heart' - Nice deep green lvs with gold in center, and
red stems if I remember correctly. (Not as inclined to climb vertically, I
THINK.)
Karen, NJ
the
Mariposa, I can't remember where you garden, so some that are hardy
for me might be iffy for you if you're much farther north. At any
rate, back in '99 I did a series of articles on vines, two of which
were about ivy...in them are photos and scans (15 or 20 of them) of
all the ones I have plus some I saw at Philadelphia Flower
Show...might give you some ideas of what is available. I am very
partial to the white variegated form of bird's foot that I have
growing up a post; seems quite hardy for me.
Here's the URL to the first one:
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/222/26609
Just hit 'next article' at the end of this one to get to the next
one...
I've bought some at nurseries and some at Philly and a lot of mine
were picked up at the grocery store; rather like the
small/variegated/ curly leaf ivies. Just planted out what I had,
maybe a dozen pots, this fall on a bank where, now that I seem to
have excluded bambi (knock on wood), they may grow to form an
interesting tapestry of colors and leaf shapes in a few years.
Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
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> From: Mariposa1937@CS.COM
> You might want to check out some of the other forms of ivy,
though...a
> variation of leaf forms might give you the ivy look you enjoy and
stall the
Marge--
How have you excluded Bambi? I need to know details!
Elizabeth
tiarella@bellsouth.net
Zone 6, KY
----- Original Message -----
From: Marge Talt
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Ivy variations
[snip]
I've bought some at nurseries and some at Philly and a lot of mine
were picked up at the grocery store; rather like the
small/variegated/ curly leaf ivies. Just planted out what I had,
maybe a dozen pots, this fall on a bank where, now that I seem to
have excluded bambi (knock on wood), they may grow to form an
interesting tapestry of colors and leaf shapes in a few years.
Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
mtalt@clark.net
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> From: Mariposa1937@CS.COM
> You might want to check out some of the other forms of ivy,
though...a
> variation of leaf forms might give you the ivy look you enjoy and
stall the
> complaints before they start.
> Sounds like a good idea. Suggestions?
> Mariposa
Hi Marge - I did look at your article but not sure if any zones were
mentioned.
Penny
Talt
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 9:04 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Ivy variations
Mariposa, I can't remember where you garden, so some that are hardy
for me might be iffy for you if you're much farther north. At any
rate, back in '99 I did a series of articles on vines, two of which
were about ivy...in them are photos and scans (15 or 20 of them) of
all the ones I have plus some I saw at Philadelphia Flower
Show...might give you some ideas of what is available. I am very
partial to the white variegated form of bird's foot that I have
growing up a post; seems quite hardy for me.
Here's the URL to the first one:
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/222/26609
Just hit 'next article' at the end of this one to get to the next
one...
I've bought some at nurseries and some at Philly and a lot of mine
were picked up at the grocery store; rather like the
small/variegated/ curly leaf ivies. Just planted out what I had,
maybe a dozen pots, this fall on a bank where, now that I seem to
have excluded bambi (knock on wood), they may grow to form an
interesting tapestry of colors and leaf shapes in a few years.
Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
mtalt@clark.net
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> From: Mariposa1937@CS.COM
> You might want to check out some of the other forms of ivy,
though...a
> variation of leaf forms might give you the ivy look you enjoy and
stall the
I haven't noticed deer damage on Hedera - do they, infact, eat THAT as well
as everything else???
Karen, NJ
I have a few indoor ivies that I put out in the summer. Usually leave them
in their pots and plant them around the outside of larger pots for the
shade. A couple of them obviously got too much sun this past summer. Some
of the leaves turned a beautiful fall orangey brown shade and I just noticed
during the past week that they have died. What I'm wondering is if they
will sprout new leaves where the old leaves dried up and died or should I
cut them back. I've removed the dried up leaves. The newer leaves growing
beyond the dried up leaves are green, but I don't want that blank space in
between.
Penny
Dorsett
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 12:31 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Ivy variations
You're about where I am as far as picking out good options is concerned.
I've been growing some ivies as indoor plants, but that's it...so far.
This page suggests several that are hardy in parts of Connecticut:
http://www.hort.uconn.edu/plants/h/hedhel/hedhel3.html
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsettm@scin.quik.com
Never enough thyme in this garden of mine.
Penny, Karen & Mariposa...am combining replies to all your posts on
this heading in one here:)
Penny,
I don't recall if I listed zones for them or not. Probably not as
zone information for particular cultivars isn't easy to come by.
Hedera helix is generally considered hardy from USDA zones 4-9, but
different cultivars vary.
When I find one at the grocery store - sold as a houseplant - that I
like, I get it and take a cutting for insurance and then plant it out
and see how it does.
Re: yours that lost leaves. Look at the leaf axil where the old leaf
dropped (that little crook between the main stem and the leaf stem
(petiole). If there is a bud there, it should put out a new leaf in
that spot. May take a few weeks. Never hurts to cut it back, tho',
IMO.
Karen,
Deer will eat just about anything:-) My local herd loves ivy. Where
I have it growing up trees, they have munched it to the stem so many
times that the ivy just gave up trying to put out new leaves. One of
the images in those articles shows, I think, a group of trees with
sinuous bare ivy stems up to about 5', which is about as high as deer
can reach easily. They also hit it growing on the ground, but where
there is fallen leaf cover, they don't get all of it.
Mariposa,
As I said to Penny above, give them a try...some may be more tender
than others but I've not lost any in my garden...yet:-) If you
particularly love it, take cuttings and get some rooted before you
plant out the mother plant, just in case it doesn't prove hardy. I
also plant the very variegated ones and those with fairly thin leaves
in sheltered spots. No ivy likes an exposed situation where winters
are harsh. The combination of cold, icy wind and sun with frozen
soil causes leaf burn in any of them.
Hope you find those articles useful:-)
Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
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Thank you Marge - I guess the deer in the gardens I tend have too much else
to chose from, they haven't yet devoured the ivy.
Karen, NJ
Deer have individual as well as regional preferences, so it is really hard
to predict what they will or will not eat first. Mineral content in the
soil seems to have a lot to do with what plants they eat in different
places.
Debbie
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu] On Behalf Of swaine
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:18 PM
To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
Subject: Re: Ivy variations
Thank you Marge - I guess the deer in the gardens I tend have too much else
to chose from, they haven't yet devoured the ivy.
Karen, NJ
Hi Marge - I'll be checking the leaf axils. I do have 3 of them. Usually
propogate with growing mix but find the ivies root very well in water. As
you mentioned, I can always give it a haircut.
Thanks for the tips.
Penny
Talt
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 9:46 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Ivy variations
Penny, Karen & Mariposa...am combining replies to all your posts on
this heading in one here:)
Penny,
I don't recall if I listed zones for them or not. Probably not as
zone information for particular cultivars isn't easy to come by.
Hedera helix is generally considered hardy from USDA zones 4-9, but
different cultivars vary.
When I find one at the grocery store - sold as a houseplant - that I
like, I get it and take a cutting for insurance and then plant it out
and see how it does.
Re: yours that lost leaves. Look at the leaf axil where the old leaf
dropped (that little crook between the main stem and the leaf stem
(petiole). If there is a bud there, it should put out a new leaf in
that spot. May take a few weeks. Never hurts to cut it back, tho',
IMO.
Karen,
Deer will eat just about anything:-) My local herd loves ivy. Where
I have it growing up trees, they have munched it to the stem so many
times that the ivy just gave up trying to put out new leaves. One of
the images in those articles shows, I think, a group of trees with
sinuous bare ivy stems up to about 5', which is about as high as deer
can reach easily. They also hit it growing on the ground, but where
there is fallen leaf cover, they don't get all of it.
Mariposa,
As I said to Penny above, give them a try...some may be more tender
than others but I've not lost any in my garden...yet:-) If you
particularly love it, take cuttings and get some rooted before you
plant out the mother plant, just in case it doesn't prove hardy. I
also plant the very variegated ones and those with fairly thin leaves
in sheltered spots. No ivy likes an exposed situation where winters
are harsh. The combination of cold, icy wind and sun with frozen
soil causes leaf burn in any of them.
Hope you find those articles useful:-)
Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland
mtalt@clark.net
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