Well, we tasted a bunch of apples today. I'm excited to plant a few more
in our yard. I used to sell og produce in central new york and we had some
pretty good apples and grapes come through. They were unusual by
supermarket standards but well, today I got to taste a lot I've read about
but never saw as a produce person.
Tops on my list were the Ashmead and the Bramley.
We also still like (Tompkins) (County) King which I have had the pleasure
of cooking with before.
I also really liked the Karmijn DeSonnaville (?) and Zabergau Reinette.
Of course, there are the varieties I've sold and loved: various winesaps
and staymans, various pippins, Northern Spys, Cortlands, and Macintosh.
All this shipping stuff has given Macs a bad rap. A good Mac from a good
Mac year that hasn't been shipped and stored till its mealy is really
quite exceptional....
The losers in my taste test are the same as when I sold them: Galas,
Braeburns, Fujis. I add Honeycrisp, Sandil Kanip (sp?) and Belle
deBoskoop (?) to it....
So, I'm trying to figure out what all this says about my personality or
future. Anyone an apple taste reader out there :-)
But, it was fun to taste apples I'd read/heard about it but never tasted.
:-)
eliza
Me, I'm an apple taster
be great at it! We got our first bags yesterday. We are trying to grow
our own but the poor things aren't doing well at all *Yet*.
Winesaps we bought were so good, we all had at least three each
before we got home (a 6 miles drive.)
I like Arkansas Black and MacIntoshes are my all time favorite
(if they are fresh off the tree) but YORK is the best tasting to me of
all of them.
> So, I'm trying to figure out what all this says about my personality
or
> future. Anyone an apple taste reader out there :-)
> But, it was fun to taste apples I'd read/heard about it but never
tasted.
Eliza
> Well, we tasted a bunch of apples today. I'm excited to plant a few more
[...]
Nice to hear your impressions of different apple varieties, thanks.
Heh heh. Well, strictly from an enjoyment point of view, I've had some
delicious Galas, Braeburns and Fujis this last year. What I wonder is
if the local climate they're grown in has an effect on their quality.
Apples are really a cold climate fruit and many varieties need that cold
weather and even a few frosts at the end (old varieties in particular) to
come to their peak of flavour. There are many good varieties that do well
in milder climates, but perhaps others don't come to their full potential
without that cold snap.
> But, it was fun to taste apples I'd read/heard about it but never tasted.
> :-)
> eliza
Good for you, sounds ever so yummy! :-) I'm still trying to figure out
what some of the old apple trees on our land our. Something old to be
sure ...
Cheers!
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Kootenay Bay, BC, Canada - Zone 6b
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Help, I've fallen and I can't . . . Hey! Nice carpet!
Was this apple tasting at Portland Nursery? I forgot to check to see whe=
n it is this year.
Our favorite apples are King David (an old heirloom) Toko, and Shamrock. =
Have gotten scion wood for King David from the Home Orchard Society a =
few years ago. Unfortunately the baby tree died in a heat wave when it =
was only a few months old. Don't know where to get scion wood or trees =
of Toko and Shamrock. Not that I have room for any more apple trees, any=
way. But I've been giving trees away to neighbors so I can enjoy more =
varieties of fruit.
Carol (and Brodie)
zone 8
> Well, we tasted a bunch of apples today.
> Tops on my list were the Ashmead and the Bramley.
> We also still like (Tompkins) (County) King which I have had the pleasu=
re
> of cooking with before.
> I also really liked the Karmijn DeSonnaville (?) and Zabergau Reinette.
> Of course, there are the varieties I've sold and loved: various winesap=
s
> and staymans, various pippins, Northern Spys, Cortlands, and Macintosh.
> All this shipping stuff has given Macs a bad rap. A good Mac from a goo=
d
or
> future. Anyone an apple taste reader out there :-)
> But, it was fun to taste apples I'd read/heard about it but never taste=
d.
Eliza wrote to us about unusual apple varieties. I don't know much about
this subject, but last week I received an interesting little catalog on the
subject.
(When I joined the Garden Writers Association of America, I began to get all
sorts of neat catalogs.)
"'Antique' Apples: Breeds from Around the World" is the title of
Applesource's harvest '98 listings. They don't sell plants, just apples.
They have some pre-set mixtures and they permit you to specify mixtures of
up to 6 different varieties yourself. On some kinds, they offer both A and
B grades, and I'd estimate that you have at least 85 kinds to choose from.
Shipping season runs from Oct. 26 to January 4, and all orders go out on
Mondays. Specifying which week you want your shipment to be sent is normal
operating procedure, which makes ordering for holiday use easy. They ship
via UPS; a street address is required.
I haven't used these people and know nothing about the company personally.
But I like the sound of what they're doing.
Applesource
1716 Apples Road
Chapin, IL 62628
Info: 217 245 7589
Orders: 800 588 3854, from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m., Illinois time
Fax: 217 245 6844
--Janet
> Was this apple tasting at Portland Nursery?
Nah it was the HOS. (It's the first time I actually I had a free weekend
and remembered to go :-) I liked it better than pdx nursery 'cause it's a
fundraiser for the HOS which is cool and it's just a bunch of gardening
fools like me :-) Not so yuppy as pdx nursery scene imho. For anyone
reading this now it's happening today Sunday too till 5pm at Sunrise Jr
High just south of Sunnyside on 132nd....
:-)
eliza
> Heh heh. Well, strictly from an enjoyment point of view, I've had some
> delicious Galas, Braeburns and Fujis this last year. What I wonder is
> if the local climate they're grown in has an effect on their quality.
Oh sure that's totally true. Thing is Braeburns, Galas and Grannies are
NewZealand developed apples so ought to do fairly well in my
environs [though a major usa production area is to the east of me in
Ore and Wash which means colder and earlier frosts which no doubt means
that Willamette valley prduced ones are quite as tasty but still...]
But, still I don't like 'em too much...So with them I figure my dislike is
genuine and not an unfair clime bias....
Not only does local clime matter greatly to the apple taste...e.g. A
Winesap grown in my backyard is never going to taste like those
Winesaps of West Va I remember as a youth.... But each year the crop can
tatse radically different, given the season. One more reason to have as
many varieties as possible :-)
Oh yeah, recently I tasted a columnar apple fresh off the tree called
"North Pole" it is some Macintosh x I forget. It was really quite good
which surprised me because I don't think of the portland area as prime Mac
country :-) Anyhowse, those columnar trees are something else, they were
loaded with fruit and can be spaced tightly for the smallest of backyards
(and don't look as challenging as an espalier). However, there aren't many
varieties which will grow that way and I take it there are a lot of
patents (?) something like going on in Canada right now so some varieties
may become available at some point soon. (I find patents abhorrent in
their very idea but there you go :-)
:-)
eliza
We have 2 dwarf apple trees that came with the house. The smaller one has
lots of yellow-green eating apples. The larger one is mostly light green
cooking apples but also has grafts of the same eating apple from the
smaller tree and a red apple that hasn't done well (not enough water I
think).
I would love to know what varieties these are. The neighbor doesn't
remember...they were planted "at least a couple of decades ago." I have no
contact with the seller...never met her. I've found several good books
with detailed info on varieties and even explainations on how to determine
a lot of variables relating to the trees. But none of the books have
varieties for my climate. The only one they mention is Anna, which I don't
have.
Another neighbor (who is longtime friends with the seller) told me the
eating apples were golden delicious. I mention that to my friends and
suddenly they refuse to take the apples we offer them. I don't blame
them...GD in the store suck. I've read that GD on the tree bear zero
resemblance to GD in a supermarket, but the stigma remains.
Whether the GD label is true or not, it doesn't help me figure out what the
cooking apples are. Can anyone point me to resources to figure this out?
I get about 500 chill hours and am willing to give detailed descriptions to
anyone who cares. Oh and free apples if you come out and try to tell me
what I have ;-).
Cyndi
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Eliza Lindsay wrote:
All columnar apples are descendants of the "Wijick" sport of Macintosh,
so they all have some Mac traits in them. However, the columnar habit
is controlled by one dominant gene, so if you cross a columnar apple
with a normal apple, 50% of the seedlings will have that habit, and they
are easy to pick out at the very your seedling stage, for those who
would like to try breeding their own. HOWEVER, the trees don't just
grow as a single trunk as many ads suggest. They tend to grow very
upright, with a growth habit more like a Lombardy poplar. On the other
hand, a columnar tree on dwarf rootstock is relatively easy to keep in
an "espaliered" form by clipping off the side limbs - even the central
trunk is covered with fruit spurs.
-Lon Rombough
http://www.hevanet.com/lonrom
According to our local orchard grower, Yorks are "fussy". They taste
like sunshine though so I'm giving them a try in my own yard.
Arkansas Blacks seem to be easy to grow for him. He uses some
pesticides though. There's not an organic apple farm around here so
until our apple trees produce (with this drought, I'll bet we're pushed
back another year), we're stuck with his stuff.
The apple I hate is a dry mealy Rome!
Laura (in zone 7b- Alabama)
> Laura and Eliza,
> The apple info is welcome. Any idea about the disease resistance of
these various apples - hence their suitability for growing organically?
Reply from Kris Johnson to #98.8405440 From laurabrownmckenzie@WORLDNET.ATT.NET(Laura McKenzie
Laura and Eliza,
The apple info is welcome. Any idea about the disease resistance of these various apples - hence their suitability for growing organically?
Kris
--- Original Note #98.8405440 From laurabrownmckenzie@WORLDNET.ATT.NET(Laura McKenzie
Kris Johnson - Habitat #22004 - gardening in
Williston, Ohio (near Toledo, close to Lake Erie, zone 6)
KRIS_JOHNSON.parti@ecunet.org
Someone with much more apple knowhow shoudl speak up but it's my
understanding that you really can't tell an apple variety from looks and
tastes, even if you're an expert. They have to do some of that hi-tek
scientific scrutiny with them fancy instruments to really be able to make
an "educated" guess with a good chance of being pretty acurate. (Kinda
like the dogs you adopt from the "pound" or "humane society".) Personally,
the stories I can tell about my adopted dogs or apple trees are as good
for me as any scientific scrutiny stories. But, then I ain't no breeder
dog or apple or otherwise:-) It is so fun to name your own dogs and apple
trees and....and give them their own history. The pear we really like out
at our flower garden, we're going to take some scion for grafting this
year and we'll name her after our friends who have let us garden there.
This "new" pear variety will have a wonderful story to accompany her :-)
I';m not advocating that we make up stories and pretend we know
them....just that we make up pleasing stories that we tell as storied when
we think fondly of our favorite mutts and apples
eliza the nomenclature x history heretic
Good to hear you give Bramley (yes, they did call it Bramley's Seedling
:-) a thumbs up for cooking since that's what we want it for... However,
it was a treat to eat fresh too :-)
eliza
Interesting.
> grow as a single trunk as many ads suggest. They tend to grow very
> upright, with a growth habit more like a Lombardy poplar. On the other
Yup, that's what those columnars we saw looked like. They were thriving,
however, at 2 feet spacing which is perty close and perty convenient for a
home garden and they looked to be quite easily pruned.
:-)
eliza
> Reply from Kris Johnson to #98.8405440 From laurabrownmckenzie@WORLDNET.ATT.NET(Laura McKenzie
> Laura and Eliza,
> The apple info is welcome. Any idea about the disease resistance of these
various apples - hence their suitability for growing organically?
I ain't no apple expert as I mentioned in my original post I just used to
sell a lot of og types grown by local farmers. What I do think is that
apples are like other plants, ones adapted to your climate are going to do
best and though there are many apples rated as "generally disease
resistant" you can probably grow others that aren't so rated or even rated
by someone as fussy if those apples are adapted to your clime and you
treat them well. Your best source of info are local apple gardeners and
farmers, at least, that's what I'd think. Ask around or let OGL know where
you're growing so someone from that area can give their experience.
:-)
eliza
Eliza Lindsay wrote:
> Well, we tasted a bunch of apples today.
> Tops on my list were the Ashmead and the Bramley.
Hi Eliza,
We were interested in your list. Many of these varieties are unknown
here, and we probably have some that are not available in your parts.
Bramley ("Bramley Seedling" in full) used to be the standard cooking
apple in England in our young days. It is a magnificent cooker, going
beautifully "fluffy" when cooked, it bakes well too. Presumably it is
"not commercial" as it has gone totally out of fashion, although we were
able to buy a dwarf Bramley Seedling when we first planted our garden
here (40+ years ago).
> The losers in my taste test are the same as when I sold them: Galas,
> Braeburns, Fujis. I add Honeycrisp, Sandil Kanip (sp?) and Belle
> deBoskoop (?) to it....
Oddly, both Gala (and Royal Gala) and Braeburn are well-liked apples
here. Of the commercially available apples, Braeburn is our favourite!
But we would agree with you about Fuji.
Tony
--
Tony & Moira Ryan
Wainuiomata, New Zealand
Kris wrote:
> The apple info is welcome. Any idea about the disease resistance of =
these
> various apples - hence their suitability for growing organically?
Not exactly the answer to your question, but here are some disease resist=
ant apple varieties I learned about when I was doing research to decide =
which apple varieties to grow. All reportedly have some disease resistan=
ce; I've included specific resistances when I know them. Please don't con=
sider this list complete -- there are many apples whose disease resistanc=
e is unknown to me.
If you go to apple tastings, I'd recommend paying special attention to =
resistant varieties. These days you CAN get a disease resistant apple wit=
h good flavor. Also keep in mind that some of the keeping varieties take=
a month or two in storage to develop full flavor.
Akane (self-fertile) -- resistant to mildew and scab
Alkemene -- resistant to scab
Aroma --resistant to scab
Belle de Boskoop (good keeper) -- somewhat resistant to scab
Brown Russet (good keeper) -- resistant to scab and mildew
Chelalis -- very resistant to scab
Cherry Cox
Dayton -- immune to scab; resistant to mildew and rust
Enterprise (excellent keeper) -- immune to scab; resistant to mildew, rus=
t, and fire blight
Fiesta (good keeper)
Freyberg
Gold Rush (excellent keeper) -- reportedly scab immune; resistant to mild=
ew and fireblight
Honeycrisp -- (hardy to zone 3) -- somewhat resistant to scab and perhaps=
fireblight
Hudson's Golden Gem (good keeper) -- somewhat scab and mildew resistant
Jonafree -- immune to scab; resistant to mildew, rust, and fireblight
Karmijn de Sonnaville (good keeper) -- somewhat resistant to scab
Liberty (fair keeper, self-fertile) -- very resistant to scab; resistant =
to rust and fire blight
Macfree
Mutsu (good keeper) -- resistant to mildew and fireblight
Pristine --highly resistant to scab and rust; somewhat resistant to milde=
w and fire blight
Redfree -- immune to scab; resistant to mildew, rust, and fireblight
Sayaka
Spartan (fair keeper, self-fertile) -- resistant to scab, mildew, and fir=
eblight
Sunrise
Sweet Sixteen (extremely cold hardy, tolerates -50F) -- resistant to scab
Tsugaru
William's Pride (my favorite early apple; Will's, too) -- immune to scab=
; resistant to mildew rust and fireblight
Wynooche Early -- resistant to scab
Hope this is useful to some of you. By the way, I planted William's Prid=
e and Enterprise, which theoretically should keep us in apples from early=
August until April or so. I'll know for sure after the Enterprise gets =
old enough to bear.
Carol (and Brodie)
zone 8
Eliza Lindsay wrote:
Hi eliza
New Zealand can take credit for Galas and Braeburns, but not for the
Grannies. Thse are good Australians, as was the old lady after whom they
are named (came from New South Wales, I believe).
We find Braeburns much to our taste and also quite like Galas, but the
only one of the trio we grow is Granny Smith, which provides much of our
cooking needs.
We find that modern NZ commercial apples ar not the best for a home
garden as they have very little disease resistance. We can get Braburns
from our local Organic shop fortunately, but I can't imagine how they
manage to keep them clean.
Moira
--
Tony & Moira Ryan
Wainuiomata, New Zealand
Do you have more information on HOS? Phone number, office address, web
site, etc. Are they doing tastings anymore or was the one on Sunday the
only one?
Thanks for your help
Ian
Of Eliza Lindsay
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 1998 11:47 AM
To: OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Apples
> Was this apple tasting at Portland Nursery?
Nah it was the HOS. (It's the first time I actually I had a free weekend
and remembered to go :-) I liked it better than pdx nursery 'cause it's a
fundraiser for the HOS which is cool and it's just a bunch of gardening
fools like me :-) Not so yuppy as pdx nursery scene imho. For anyone
reading this now it's happening today Sunday too till 5pm at Sunrise Jr
High just south of Sunnyside on 132nd....
:-)
eliza
I have link to the HOS from my site. It's easier than tryign to give
the whole URL - go to http://www.hevanet.com/lonrom
-Lon
Ian Rubin wrote:
We've got a surprise bumper crop of apples from
our two trees, but I can't tell whether they'll be
worth eating - they're getting sweeter, but they're
still a little sour. Since we've never had much
from these trees (in fact I was going to cut them
down this past winter and never got around to it)
I'm not sure how to tell when they're ready to
harvest. Advice, anyone?
Thanks,
Harry
Hi Arnhild,
Mississippi is not exactly apple territory, so there's really
not any other apple-growers around to ask. I guess I'll
just keep tasting them - or maybe I could just make pies!
why
> not ask someone else around .. if there are any other with apples around
you?
and
Look at the seed color. They should be dark if ripe.
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One
> is also when the seeds inside is turning over form yellow to brown -
then
> the apple is ripe .. and you can pick the others too. It should be easy
to
> pick off the tree - with out taking with anything from the fruitspurs,
and
if
> anyone knocked my door ans asked if would sell my farm right now I would
> say yes. Just in between the rainshower to get dry and warmer cloths ...
> and
> then it is out again .. you all have to wait a bit for the next
psotcards
> I'm not sure how to tell when they're ready to
> harvest. Advice, anyone?
> Harry
..... there are many ways .. you can taste the m as you already done. One
is also when the seeds inside is turning over form yellow to brown - then
the apple is ripe .. and you can pick the others too. It should be easy to
pick off the tree - with out taking with anything from the fruitspurs, and
in the flower end of the apple it should be arounded and nice form. But why
not ask someone else around .. if there are any other with apples around you?
An apple a day ...
Arnhild ---> sweetcherrie plastic covering today .. d... what a job - if
anyone knocked my door ans asked if would sell my farm right now I would
say yes. Just in between the rainshower to get dry and warmer cloths .. and
then it is out again .. you all have to wait a bit for the next psotcards
... this palstic job will about kill my arms :(
:) Arnhild - z8'er in chilly latitude 60 - Hardanger in Norway
*All the flowers of all the of tomorrows are in the seeds of today*
Harry, the seeds of ripe apples are black or nearly so. Seeds of unripe
apples are green. Margaret L
For the first time ever, I think we may be getting a crop of decent
apples from our two trees. I think this may be because an nearby
apple tree of unknown variety, which I think cross-pollinated our
trees for years and produced very poor, sour apples, is gone; and
also because, for the first time, some of our red delicious apples
are actually turning red!
So, how do I know when they are ripe? This is zone 8 (USDA).
Do I just keep going to the tree every few days and grabbing an
apple to take a bite from?
Thanks,
Harry
Temps may drop to freezing tonight and many of the apples are nicely =
blushed from the sun so I decided it was picking day. I got 66 apples =
off of my Mutzu tree, all without a ladder. Many of them are huge.
I have also been eating groundfalls for a couple of weeks. That's a =
surprising harvest from such a small tree. About 40 of them went into a =
box with layers of newspapers. The rest are spread out for watching. =
They have numerous small problems as they got only one spraying in June. =
It just means I need to watch them for rot and use them more quickly =
than the fairly clean ones in the box.
One of my neighbors stuck a couple of apples in the ground with her =
children to "grow an apple tree". Maybe I will see if she will let me =
plant a couple of whips and take care of them in exchange for some ot =
the apples. I would like to grow a red variety, too, but I'm out of =
sunny spots.
For those of you who are newer, this success is in great part due to the =
encouragement and advice that I recieved here. Wish you could come over =
and share an apple pie with me!
Esther
Congrats on the harvest, Esther! Am I right in remembering that you
(I think) said that Mutzu and Crispin are the same variety? Crispin
is my all time favorite apple. So far not a one of them to be found
in the stores here, but I'm hoping. Enjoy your apples.
Therese
Beautiful East Texas, zone 8b
************************
Is Matsu the same apple as the Mutzu? I have one of the Matsu apple trees.
They are huge this year and quite tasty. Don't understand how the flavor
could be different from one year to the next? According to the charts for
my area (zone 4/5) the ripening time is Oct 15. We are also supposed to get
very cold temps tonight.
My favorite of all apples is the MacinTosh. They are also huge this year.
I particularly love them with a caramel icing. Apple time!! Fried apples
(in butter and sprinkled with brown sugar and cinnamon) are delicious over
vanilla ice cream. Apples should be warm! Yum.
ann
gypsy@francomm.com
> Wish you could come over and share an apple pie with me!
Oh ... or you and many others could come over HERE and help me picking ...
still a lot left out on the trees here .. and me .. I am sitting here in
the middle of hte night because I woke up with SO much pain I could not
even sleep .. so some apple pickers and piebaking visitors would be just fine!
Arnhild
> Is Matsu the same apple as the Mutzu?
... never heard about Matsu .. but Mutzu is a quality variety, from Japan.
I would guess Matsu is some nursey writing the name wrong?
Arnhild applegrower :)
> Congrats on the harvest, Esther! Am I right in remembering that you
> (I think) said that Mutzu and Crispin are the same variety?
.... normally it is forbidden to change a varity's name .. that is for any
plant. The one they are born with is the only correct one .. I do not know
Crispin, but would think it rahter must been compared to each other, not
being the same.
Arnhild - applegrower, not sleeping!
Hi Arnhild, Therese, Ann and all,
I wish soooooooooo much that I could come and help you with the harvest.
It's just that the unemployment office has this silly prejudice that if I am
in Europe, I am unavailable for work in the US. Can you imagine?
Yes, I have been told that Crispins are the same as Mutzu but I have never
seen them to double check. And the Matzu name cropping up again is
interesting. My sister who lives in Indianapolis said that she had found a
source for Matzu. I thought she was just garbling the name.
A tidbit for Arnhild from last year's tasting session at a botanical garden
that features an antique apple collection. Many apples in the US have
multiple names. Aparently, someone would take a cutting or seed and grow an
appple somewhere else in the US and it would get a new name!
I hope your back is feeling better.
Esther
fine!
George, if that basket was from Harry and David's, then those were fresh harvest Red Delicious, not the CA stuff commonly sold in the groceries. Makes all the difference in the world! BTW, H&D is a very reputable mail order company - if you notify them your basket was received in damaged
condition, they will replace it. Wait until you taste those pears - they're my favorite!
Pam - gardengal
George Shirley wrote:
We got a fruit basket from Miz Anne's baby sister for Christmas. Had four beautiful Red Delicious
apples in it but we were afraid to eat them because we haven't had a good Red Delicious in years. I
finally tried one last night. DEELICIOUS. Taste just like we remember them from FIL's trees more
than 40 years ago. No mushy mouth feel, bland flavor. Crisp, bright flavor and outstanding. Some
outfit in Oregon shipped them along with pears, seedless navel oranges, and grapefruit. One
grapefruit, one apple, and the pineapple were starting to rot when we got them but the rest has been
great.
George
Esther Czekalski wrote:
I ate my last home grown apple yesterday. Whaaaaaaahhh!
And Bolton Orchards, where I buy Mutzu from cold storage all winter, =
picked them small and green. This apple is almost never small when =
allowed to ripen. And even out of cold storage they aren't turning gold =
the way they should. They are still sweet but just can't compare with =
my own.
Esther
Oh, I bet they are Comice Pears - the most juicy delicious pears in
existence! And not available all year round either! If you see em, grab em,
and let them get ripe before eating them.
I heard that there were still good Red Delicious around, but didn't believe
it. My B and SIL went apple picking last month and said they got crisp,
tasty RD apples. I was skeptical. Had a H&D catalog - never ordered anything
from them, will reconsider next year.
Karen, NJ
harvest Red Delicious, not the CA stuff commonly sold in the groceries.
Makes all the difference in the world! BTW, H&D is a very reputable mail
order company - if you notify them your basket was received in damaged
> condition, they will replace it. Wait until you taste those pears -
they're my favorite!
four beautiful Red Delicious
> apples in it but we were afraid to eat them because we haven't had a
good Red Delicious in years. I
> finally tried one last night. DEELICIOUS. Taste just like we remember
them from FIL's trees more
> than 40 years ago. No mushy mouth feel, bland flavor. Crisp, bright
flavor and outstanding. Some
> outfit in Oregon shipped them along with pears, seedless navel oranges,
and grapefruit. One
> grapefruit, one apple, and the pineapple were starting to rot when we
got them but the rest has been
picked them small and green. This apple is almost never small when allowed
to ripen. And even out of cold storage they aren't turning gold the way
they should. They are still sweet but just can't compare with my own.
This was some company called Mission Fruit and the pears were definitely not the ones we used to get
from H&D. The apples and oranges were outstanding, the pears, grapefruit, and pineapple were
substandard. I already emailed the SIL and let her know.
George
Pam wrote:
> I ate my last home grown apple yesterday. Whaaaaaaahhh!
- still our own here too .. I do not start to buy import apples before I
can get real GOOD Granny Smith .. not those tasting nothing else than grass
- that means must be grown in the best climate for them. Not on hte
northern or southern border - I guess those we buy here north in April May
that are goodare harvested in southern hemisphaere? Very oftne from
Argentine I think .. now I wonder how things will be from down there - sad
situation there.
Arnhild
Doh!
I don't know why it didn't occur to me to post this before, but better
late than never.
Years ago, I think it might have been 1999, I found Black Arkansas
apples at the Whole Foods in LA where I lived at the time. I don't
usually go for apples, but these were awesome -- the perfect balance of
sweet, tart, crunchy. And I have never seen them since anywhere.
Anyone know anything about them? The name is the only thing I know
about them.
Thanks in advance,
Sohini.
ForestFarm carries the Black Arkansas apple tree, hardy to zone 5, but
they're located in Oregon. I think you're in the East, aren't you
Sohini? Shipping would devastate your bank account. I'm not familiar with
eastern tree nurseries apart from Miller's in Canandaigua, NY. Margaret L
Stark Brothers in Missouri carries the Arkansas Black apple. Go here for
info:
http://store.starkbros.com/fruit---nut-trees-apples-starkspurs-arkansas-black-apple.html
George
Margaret Lauterbach wrote:
I bought an Arkblack Compspur apple tree from Miller's last year. =
Healthy, 4 ft. plant. Priced at $24.85 in this year's catalog. =
www.millernurseries.com
Lee Ann
ForestFarm carries the Black Arkansas apple tree, hardy to zone 5, but
they're located in Oregon. I think you're in the East, aren't you
Sohini? Shipping would devastate your bank account. I'm not familiar =
with
eastern tree nurseries apart from Miller's in Canandaigua, NY. Margaret =
L
Thank you both! I haven't had a chance to look at the link yet,
finished up working just about an hour ago.
And yes, Margaret, I live on the east coast, so shipping would be an
issue.
But hey, never say never....right? Especially with George's link in Mo.
S.
I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I have the Stark catalog, all of my
fruit trees are from Stark (some bought locally), and I didn't think to
look there. Thank George for remembering. Margaret L
I brought an apple with me to work today for lunch. It's a Pink Lady, which I've never tried before. It is very tart and crunchy. Very slightly sweet. I imagine if I'd eaten anything sweet before eating the apple, it wouldn't taste very sweet at all.
Elizabeth
tiarella@bellsouth.net
I bought some apple trees on Saturday when Charlie and I went to Musser =
Nurseries. One of the specific ones my mother asked for me to look for =
was a variety called Smoothie. It was developed by the in-laws of the =
daughter of my mother's best friend. Their last name is Gibson. When I =
was browsing, I discovered a single tree left with the name of Gibson's =
Yellow Delicious. I scarfed it up. After I got home, I set out on an =
internet search about this tree. I finally came upon a website that =
referred to it as aka Smoothie. Do any of you know anything about the =
Gibson's Yellow Delicious? Could it be that I lucked out and found the =
Smoothie that my mother wanted?
Lee Ann
Lee Ann Reiners
reiners@surferie.net
"Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the =
difference"
Lee Ann, if you go to the Penn State site
and put Gibson's Yellow Delicious in their search function, you'll
get 82 hits. This site is a good one for apple info.
Speaking of birding
Saturday. They have a new thing called an "autotour" that gets you
back into areas (by vehicle only) that were previously closed to the
public. It's 7 miles long. Have to stay close to the car but it was
very neat to get back there. Had my fill of ducks, geese, and swans.
It seemed that Bald Eagles were everywhere... or maybe the same few
kept showing up in different places. The autotour did away with the
plan to exercise.
Am getting brownish discoloration and some withering of leaves on two of my
apple trees. First guess is some form of rust and am considering either
pruning, some all-season oil spray or both. But neither my diagnosis or my
treatment is firm since this is new to me. The apples are five years old.=
There are healthy cedars about 60 yards away.=0D
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Nope, not rust after all. I went ahead and did an oil spray since that won
t hurt and some aphids were appearing as well.. Thanks Karen. I'll hit
some apple sites until I find it.=0D
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Richard=0D
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From: TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com=0D
Date: 06/11/06 07:53:32=0D
To: TheVeggiePatch@yahoogroups.com=0D
Subject: Re: [TheVeggiePatch] apples=0D
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I don't have apple trees so no experience with diseases of them, but here
are a few sites I found with some information: =0D
http://www.caf.wvu.edu/kearneysville/disease_descriptions/omcar.html=0D
http://www.hort.uconn.edu/IPM/homegrnd/htms/20aprust.htm=0D
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The pictures I've seen of rust start with bright yellow blotches on the
leaves. Are you sure it's rust? How many leaves are affected? =0D
Karen, SC zone 8 =0D
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R Mendola wrote: =0D
Am getting brownish discoloration and some withering of leaves on two of my
apple trees. First guess is some form of rust and am considering either
pruning, some all-season oil spray or both. But neither my diagnosis or my
treatment is firm since this is new to me. The apples are five years old.=
There are healthy cedars about 60 yards away.=0D
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I don't have apple trees so no experience with diseases of them, but
here are a few sites I found with some information:
http://www.caf.wvu.edu/kearneysville/disease_descriptions/omcar.html
http://www.hort.uconn.edu/IPM/homegrnd/htms/20aprust.htm
The pictures I've seen of rust start with bright yellow blotches on the
leaves. Are you sure it's rust? How many leaves are affected?
Karen, SC zone 8
R Mendola wrote:
No they float up through the air under the tree. Leone
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Peggy, what did you do with 100 pounds of apples? One of our Mennonite
friends goes to Kansas to get apples every year, but they didn't get to go
this year as where they go had a failed apple crop. It seems like the
drought hurt everyone this year except south Louisiana, where we had so muc=
h
we felt like fish most all spring and into summer. That's one of the
reasons we decided to open the greenhouse back up, bite the bullet and
repair it. We were so disgusted this year with our garden as it just
drowned out, then the weeds went crazy and before it was dry enough to work
it, it was a major weed patch. Awk.
Margrett
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Southwest Louisiana
Gulf Coast Sheep
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Peggy,
I accept full responsability
I really like their taste and they are so darn healthy for you.
Bill
Peggy wrote:
> Its Bills fault! -he posted he bought 200 lbs..this area has so many orcha=
rds-so there were so many apples & different kinds-I ended up with a lot of=
apples-it isn't as much as it sounds like tho. I also have a bunch of swee=
t potatoes, small pumpkins, squash etc. I bake sweet potatoes a lot.
> I love apples..I am baking some in the evenings-I had forgotten how great =
a baked apple is. Trying a small batch of apple butter. etc..but mostly raw=
apples every day. I keep a big bowl on the counter-not only is it beautifu=
l-they get eaten :)
> In January, my sister died of cancer..she left me her 2 parrots-they love =
apples..My dad passed away 5 years ago-another small parrot-she loves apple=
s too. I chop apples every morning for them..I stuff small pumpkins full of=
apples slices, add some spice & raisins..a little butter.
> Bills comments triggered very pleasant memories..so I went apple looking..
> Peg
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Margrett Stretton
> To: GreenhouseGardening@yahoogroups.com
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> this year as where they go had a failed apple crop. It seems like the
> drought hurt everyone this year except south Louisiana, where we had so m=
uch
> we felt like fish most all spring and into summer. That's one of the
> reasons we decided to open the greenhouse back up, bite the bullet and
> repair it. We were so disgusted this year with our garden as it just
> drowned out, then the weeds went crazy and before it was dry enough to wo=
rk
You might have to contact someone that is an apple grower in your area.
"dancegoat@netzero.net
northern spy, will they pollenate?
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According to this chart i found they should.
Theres a whole index of charts here:
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----- Original Message ----
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To: seedsofchange@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 1:35:28 PM
Subject: Re: [seedsofchange] apples
You might have to contact someone that is an apple grower in your area.
"dancegoat@netzero. net"
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