Hi Arnhild,
I'm not sure if what we call "garden art" is what you're looking for, but it's
becoming quite popular over here. I'm talking about statues and art work
created from a number of media such as metal, etc. Or are you talking about
artwork made from natural materials such as topiary? Sounds interesting what
ever it is:-)
Mary L.
PS I'm taking the OT out of the subject because I think this is definitely
garden related
Quoting Arnhild Bleie
I didn't get the whole url entered, but I saw the photos of what you were
talking about. I personally don't like embellishments on the beauty of
nature. Let the scenery sell itself. If you want something extra, get a
small herd of reindeer. Margaret L
Margaret L
Gardening in Intermountain West and Handicapped gardening
http://www.margaretlauterbach.com
I don't understand what it is you are trying to describe Arnhild. Do you
mean sculpture or things like bonsai and wreaths (living wreaths are
interesting and utilize native plants, or do you mean like rock features
being presented with a couple accent plants to bring up the beauty in the
particular formation? Or pictographs? i.e. paintings from ancient peoples?
Marg in N.S. Zone 5b
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mmillard/index.html
I have know the art for a long long time and been interested - but only
lately learned that it is called land art or earth work in English
Now I just wanted to hear if someone here knows something about it and can
tell me maybe good sites online with gallery?
You see I am a bit interested to involved something like this into my
garden ( IF I feel it fits - it has to be a balance ) to make it even more
interesting to visit and because I myself in general am interested in art
like this. I am also thinking of making something like an 'land art walk'
other places in my farm if possible?
- this is how we have to think over here now - though they say Norway is a
rich country we that are farmers really have to use all our fantasy and
interests to find thing to earn for living on because we get so little paid
for the 'normal' farm products - the food we produce - so now we have to
look for 'food for mind' to sell as well.
I would love to make some og this myself, but also have other artist to do
some works.
Arnhild - Hardanger in Norway
I was talking about scenery, not garden ornament. Arnhild has a beautiful
fjord, a tumbling stream, mountains around, a glacier, and a beautiful
orchard. She doesn't need a garden built atop a yurt, IMO. Margaret L
Margaret L
Gardening in Intermountain West and Handicapped gardening
http://www.margaretlauterbach.com
Arnhild, I found this web site that you might find useful. I think what you
are trying to do is good. We have similar things over here and they are often
called nature trails. I suggest you get in touch with your local tourist
board as they will probably have some information on this subject. HTH.
Mary in England
Yard Art!!!! Like my gazing ball mounted on a rusty old truck spring? =
Or a piece of an old sewer pipe with chrysanthemum Clara Curtis planted =
in it?
Harry
number
> - but they can be made of many kind of stuff both nature and =
non-nature.
> It can be small things and it can also be very big on more or less =
forming
> the landscape - ( but that can not be done here by me)
> I found one web site showing some funny stuff - the link is very long =
but
> it worked when I sent it to my self - so try it - some are nice some =
are
> ugly - most I want things that make people smile or stop because they =
think
> it is fascinating - I do not want things giving people a bad =
disgusting
> feeling.
> =
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=3Dwww.publicnature.ca/landart/dian=
a-2.jpg&imgrefurl=3Dhttp://www.publicnature.ca/paintings/landworks.html&h=
l=nn&h`&w`&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dearthworks%2Blandart%=
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but it's
> becoming quite popular over here. I'm talking about statues and art =
work
> created from a number of media such as metal, etc. Or are you talking =
about
> artwork made from natural materials such as topiary? Sounds =
interesting what
> ever it is:-)
> Mary L.
> PS I'm taking the OT out of the subject because I think this is =
definitely
Red sewer tile, the octagon sided stuff with a blue gazing ball on one
and the other four with chamomile planted in them. A herb garden lined
with old brick from Texas including a bunch of 1920's red brick marked
MEXICO. I don't have a bottle tree though.
George
Harry Boswell wrote:
> I personally don't like embellishments on the beauty of
> nature. Let the scenery sell itself.
My garden is just 16 feet wide and nearly 100 feet long, flat and in full
shade. A tree or shrub would take up plant space that I want so I use small
things to break up the long, flat garden. My budget is low so I use cheap,
interesting stuff. I have a few silver, outdoor Christmas balls (1/2 price
after the holiday) that sit among some of the plants to catch the eye and a
metal obelisk or two for a vine to scamper up for vertical eye candy.
What I enjoy most is just using big pots of plants raised above the beds. I
like Alan's use of potted things in his garden, still natural and yet with
an artistic flair.
Marion, with day lilies poking their noses out in competition with the tiny,
green daffodil shoots. Yeah!!!!
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Absolutely right Margaret, but my scenery is all fence on three sides. I'll
take a stream or glacier anytime.
Marion
small
> things to break up the long, flat garden. My budget is low so I use
cheap,
> interesting stuff. I have a few silver, outdoor Christmas balls (1/2
price
> after the holiday) that sit among some of the plants to catch the eye and
a
> metal obelisk or two for a vine to scamper up for vertical eye candy.
> What I enjoy most is just using big pots of plants raised above the beds.
I
> like Alan's use of potted things in his garden, still natural and yet
with
> an artistic flair.
> Marion, with day lilies poking their noses out in competition with the
tiny,
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I was thinking of unique art - not fabric industry made in a large number
- but they can be made of many kind of stuff both nature and non-nature.
It can be small things and it can also be very big on more or less forming
the landscape - ( but that can not be done here by me)
I found one web site showing some funny stuff - the link is very long but
it worked when I sent it to my self - so try it - some are nice some are
ugly - most I want things that make people smile or stop because they think
it is fascinating - I do not want things giving people a bad disgusting
feeling.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=www.publicnature.ca/landart/diana-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.publicnature.ca/paintings/landworks.html&hl=nn&h`&w`&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dearthworks%2Blandart%26hl%3Dnn%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN
Arnhild
Oh Marion,
I do like the idea of using the shiny Christmas ornaments among the plants!
I had never thought of that.
The obelisks and pots sound nice, too.
--Kathy K, mid-Missouri, zone 5, warm and breezy and nice and SPRING!!
tiny,
We have a studio not far from here where the women have built a lovely
arbour of debris from the ocean, bits of wood from lobster pots, old roots
and such. They do beautiful hand painted tiles and dishes, sculptures in
various clays and they have studded some with beach glass and these lead the
way to this arbour where you can sit, then follow a tiny path down through
trees roots where there are little surprises of neat plant combinations
along with a sculpture or interesting rocks, a tiny pool and waterfall and
such. Every year something changes and I just love to drive over and have a
peak. There are fish in some of the pools and water plants in some
others...a gazing ball in another....neat stuff that would look like junk to
the average person but in their hands with their imagination, it is just
wonderful.
Marg in N.S. Zone 5b
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mmillard/index.html
beautiful
do
> I personally don't like embellishments on the beauty of
> nature. Let the scenery sell itself.
Part of my job right now is to help local artists from Hardanger be more
'visible' so they can do a bette living - an 'exhibition in nature' can be
one part of doing that ?
- though I normally would say the same as you I have started to change
opinion about it as it *can* also be made beautiful?
Not all houses or roads or else things we human 'build' out is are always
so much fitting in as a smaller art thing can maybe .. we will see - at
least it is easier to take away. We do have a lot of 'nature scenery' here
you know - it is all over and related to that : one man being upset about
we are getting a national park here said one time " why do we need this
park , we have so much wilderness and nature around us we can run around
naked for days without anyone seeing us ?" Nobody do that of course, it
was more his metaphor on how much untouchable nature we have - nature that
in a way 'protect it self' because of the way it is created it is
impossible to build roads etc there - it is just for walking in and looking at
- so to use a few hundred meters of all this for an "art trail " - our
nature would make it a very special 'gallery' - a pluss I hope :-)
And it is possible to take it away as well
And regarding the reindeers - we have them already - up on the mountain -
they eat white reindeer moss and are not at all made for living in the
forest or fruit orchard :-) .
Arnhild
> I was talking about scenery, not garden ornament. Arnhild has a beautiful
> fjord, a tumbling stream, mountains around, a glacier, and a beautiful
> orchard. She doesn't need a garden built atop a yurt, IMO. Margaret L
Maybe it is the opposite ? the art need a garden -- or the arts need a
'nature gallery' ?
And it can as well be out in the forest away from the real garden - but
though still a 'walk' or 'trail' ?
Remember everybody around here has the same scenery for their gardens they
hardly need a garden because it kind of is 'all around us' - except they do
not have a river like me - that make the big difference.
It is also possible to for example create 'art' out a tree if you for some
reasons have to cut it down - in stead of cutting it down right to the
ground we can let a few meters be left and carve art in it with chain saw
or so .. in a way let it still be part of the garden but in another way?
We have to cut some big tree because of telephone line and are thinking
over some ways to make 'something' out of it ? in a year or two ...
Arnhild :-)
Yes, but I've seen them in shopping malls here, where they're brought to
show children that Santa has reindeer. On our continent we call them Caribou.
Margaret L
Gardening in Intermountain West and Handicapped gardening
http://www.margaretlauterbach.com
Most French Gardens, right up until Monet, used garden art. I talk
about this just a bit when I talk about the conflict and collaboration
of Belanger the French architect, and Blaikie at Bagatelle. The French
style, just before the "jardin anglais" became popular, was a series of
themes and spectacles connected by twining paths. When you came around
a corner you might find a classical statue or a hermit's hut or a stage
for plays and spectacles. The French garden of this time tended to move
you from surprise to surprise. Arnhild, this is something that you
might want to study for your "art walk".
The "jardin anglais" perfected in France by Blaikie, influenced by
"Capability" Brown, still used art but the art was servant to the
plantings and contours of the garden. It was used to draw your eyes to
distant vistas and views and it was an important part of the artistic
perspective. This would also be an important factor; to consider your
views and perspectives in the garden art.
Arnhild, Capability Brown (English) was a phenomena of his day; it's
likely that his influence was felt even in Norway. Can you do some
research and see if there were any gardens or gardeners in Norway that
were influenced by his theories? You will do yourself and your artists
a favor if you can add in some historical references.
If you have funding for this I can probably introduce you to some French
garden architects, trained in the classics, that could help.
Esther
Arnhild Bleie
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:03 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: land art or earth work
> I personally don't like embellishments on the beauty of
> nature. Let the scenery sell itself.
Part of my job right now is to help local artists from Hardanger be
more
'visible' so they can do a bette living - an 'exhibition in nature' can
be
one part of doing that ?
Arnhild, thanks for this website, it's fascinating and beautiful! It sure
would be fun to do something on this order. Create a beautiful or interesting
scene on your own land.
Flora
Hi Esther and alll
I am not sure if you and many misunderstand me - I am not talking about
what most think of as 'garden art' - that was why I put an OT in front of
subject line first - as I see it land art must be some different. In my
understanding of it garden art are like those angles etc we can buy in some
garden center and that are mass produced? I do not feel well about filling
my garden with that kind - it does not fit in here and it is normally very
little used in Norway - it were not normal in older days either - not the
way I have seen it use other places in Europe - probably more use of angels
in in catholic countries?
Land art is something else as I understand it, like in the link I sent -
it is more like an art exhibition out in nature? But maybe that was more
what Capability also tried to do back in time .. anyway thanks for that
kind of info Esther - it is always nice to be able to relate a story to 'a
red tread or history' when we walk
Arnhild
> Arnhild, thanks for this website, it's fascinating and beautiful!
Hi Flora - I did not like it all - but some were fascinating :-)
- I read this 'trend' with earth work, or now more called land art,
started over in USA back in the 1960 -70. That was why I asked here in
list, I thought many of you had heard about it? But since many seem to
think it is garden art it can't be very famous art trend?
Arnhild
Google comes to the aid, see below. I've heard of the man who wraps
buildings and I might cross the street to see it; I don't know that it
would draw me to a new country or city. It seems like featuring an
artist whose talents lie in this direction would be interesting but I
don't know how helpful it would be to your tourist objectives. With a
definition, maybe others will jump in with an opinion.
Esther
Land art
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Land art or earth art is a form of art which came to prominence in the
late 1960s and 1970s primarily concerned with the natural environment.
Materials such as rocks, sticks, soil and so on are often used, and the
works frequently exist in the open and are left to change and erode
under natural conditions. Particularly large works are sometimes known
as earthworks.
Perhaps the best known artist who worked in this genre was the American
Robert Smithson. His best known piece, and probably the most famous
piece of all land art, is Spiral Jetty (1970), for which Smithson
arranged rock, earth and algae so as to form a long (1500 feet)
spiral-shape jetty protruding into Great Salt Lake in Utah. How much of
the work, if any, is visible is dependent on the fluctuating water
levels. Since its creation, the work has been completely covered, and
then uncovered again, by water.
Smithson's Gravel Mirror with Cracks and Dust (1968) is an example of
land art existing in a gallery space rather than in the natural
environment. It consists of a pile of gravel by the side of a partially
mirrored gallery wall. In its simplicity of form and concentration on
the materials themselves, this and other pieces of land art have an
affinity with minimalism. There is also a relationship to Arte Povera in
the use of materials traditionally considered "unartistic" or
"worthless".
Land artists have tended to be American, with other prominent artists in
this field including Alice Aycock, Michael Heizer and James Turrell.
Turrell began work in 1972 on possibly the largest piece of land art
thus far, reshaping the earth surrounding an extinct volcano in Arizona.
Perhaps the most prominent non-American land artists are the British
Richard Long and Andy Goldsworthy. Some works by Christo, who is famous
for wrapping monuments, buildings and landscapes in fabric, are also
sometimes considered to be works of land art.
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Arnhild Bleie
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 11:24 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: land art or earth work
Hi Esther and alll
I am not sure if you and many misunderstand me - I am not talking about
what most think of as 'garden art' - that was why I put an OT in front
of
subject line first - as I see it land art must be some different. In my
understanding of it garden art are like those angles etc we can buy in
some
garden center and that are mass produced? I do not feel well about
filling
my garden with that kind - it does not fit in here and it is normally
very
little used in Norway - it were not normal in older days either - not
the
way I have seen it use other places in Europe - probably more use of
angels
in in catholic countries?
Land art is something else as I understand it, like in the link I sent
-
it is more like an art exhibition out in nature? But maybe that was more
what Capability also tried to do back in time .. anyway thanks for that
kind of info Esther - it is always nice to be able to relate a story to
'a
red tread or history' when we walk
Arnhild
For what it's worth, I would call this a type of garden art, if gardens
are constructed around it. And that's not meant to trivialize it, just
to explain. In the few examples I read about there was little or no
connection to gardens, the sculpture in the Great Salt Lake, for
example.
Another thought for you Arnhild: it may be that there is some special
appeal for you in the use of natural materials and even the minimalism
(for example). And it may be that appeal is tied to your cultural
background, your rugged natural environment or other things uniquely
Norwegian. If this has appeal to Norwegians, and they would come to
visit, you should ignore whether or not it has appeal to me.
If someone said come visit Land Art, I might not be very interested.
But if someone said come visit works of art that appeal to Norwegians
for their connection to nature, and their minimalism (for example), that
would appeal to me.
Esther
One of the neatest gardens I've seen was one on a slope leading down from a
house. From the house, it looked like a patchwork quilt. Don't recall
where I saw the photo, but I loved the idea.
Margaret L
Gardening in Intermountain West and Handicapped gardening
http://www.margaretlauterbach.com
I don't really know what this is but I think of geologic formations
or sculpted land when I hear the term. One thing I wanted to do
years ago was to re-create a painting with plants. Does that qualify
as land art? We have plenty of property but the idea to attempt this
was too crazy to my garden partner; the prospect of all that weeding
was too scary to me. When I win the lottery, it's what I'm going to
do. I can create the art and hire a crew to do the labor. In Norway,
the land already presents itself in an art form. Linda in NW Ohio.
It would certainly appeal to Norwegian - and Norwegians are also tourists
of course :-)
- galleries and exhibitions are very well visited all year around - and
many people come to Hardanger to stay for a while and do different kind of
art work. In a way our fjord landscape nature is the opposite of minimalist
... it is kind of 'full of expressions' or details all over with and you
never get to know every corner of. It is not flat and 'boring ( excuse me )
- but I feel a flat landscape is much more minimalism. Maybe that is why we
never needed so much stuff to make houses 'beautiful' with all kind of
decoration and things? I do not know .. just trying to find answers. Of
course it also were because we were very poor.
But poor ones become creative to survive we use to say here - and Hardanger
people were known for very good handcraft work like Hardanger embroidery
and custom, one of the most famous folk music instrument: Hardanger fiddle
and music - maybe some of you have heard about Edvard Grieg and other that
became famous used to come here to get inspiration to 'produce' - the best
boat builders like along the sea shore etc .. so crafts and arts has always
been important for our district - and we still want to be so. I think also
foreign artist can find inspiration here both in painting and composing etc
- we hope.
But Norway is certainly not the country to go to if people want to see
castles and other builds full of gold etc and very organized gardens - we
have nearly nothing of that - but we are what we are and we do have a lot
of nature and we are feeling very close to the nature :-)
But seeing ourselves as foreigner will see us is not always easy because
things are too close to us - that is probably a worldwide thing and a
cultural difference thing.
Arnhild .. running to chorus training now :-)
or sculpted land when I hear the term. One thing I wanted to do
> years ago was to re-create a painting with plants. Does that qualify
> as land art?
I think it does? And regarding work and weed etc .. it is never mind ad
more think of how much fun it is to really do create it ?
> When I win the lottery, it's what I'm going to
> do. I can create the art and hire a crew to do the labor.
I might have a better idea - contact an art school or something alike
that , and rent the land out to them for money - then you do not have to
win a lottery hire people to do it - they pay you for being allowed to do
it for you ! :-)
There are not many hills nearby you in Ohio so they might as well be a very
good idea Linda!??
> In Norway,
> the land already presents itself in an art form.
Ja .. but what if artists want to do land art - where should they do it
over here then?
Ha ein finfin dag!
vennleg helsing
Arnhild
