two bulb questions (cyclamen, fungicide)

updated tue 18 jul 00

Cherie on sat 15 jul 00

I was examining some cyclamen bulbs I plan on planting for fall and I am
confused about which way to plant them. One of the bulbs has a little
something growing out of it. It's very tiny. The question is, does that
side go down or up? The cyclamen bulb is round and there doesn't seem to be
a way of telling which side goes where.

Again, thinking toward fall and winter, what is an organic fungicide in
which I can store my dahlia and glad bulbs?

Cherie
West Orange, NJ
Zone 6

Cherie on sun 16 jul 00

Moira,

I have the bulb right here on the table beside me and the package says
(beside the word "cyclamen") "Topside." I doubt that means anything. I
would say one of the cultivated florist types. They came from the
Netherland Bulb Company.

Yes, it is more oval shaped than perfectly round. One side looks like the
top of a mushroom cap and the other side has a slight indentation and a
whorl where the little growth is coming from.

What to do? I was planning on planting them later for the cool fall weather
but maybe, based on what you said above, I should get them going now?

Thanks for the tip about sulfer. Is this the same type of sulfer that one
would put in the soil to change ph?

I really appreciate your help, Moira. Thank you so much.

Cherie

Behalf Of Tony & Moira Ryan
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 5:25 PM
To: OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: two bulb questions (cyclamen, fungicide)

Cherie wrote:

> I was examining some cyclamen bulbs I plan on planting for fall and I am
> confused about which way to plant them. One of the bulbs has a little
> something growing out of it. It's very tiny. The question is, does that
> side go down or up? The cyclamen bulb is round and there doesn't seem to
be
> a way of telling which side goes where.

Cheri
It would be helpful to know what kind of Cyclamen we are talking about.
Are they one of the miniature wild species or the larger cultivated
florists types? These do need to be treated somewhat differently. They
are rarely completely round anyway but tend to be rather flattened or
even dished on top and rounded below.

I am puzzled that you seem to have these bulbs completely out of soil
and dried off. This is not usually recommended for any type of cyclamen
as they don't like to be forced to go completely dormant, but should be
encouraged to keep some active roots through their "off" season by
either leaving them in the ground or if in pots by giving just enough
moisture to prevent the mix going dust-dry. If dried off so much they
don't have any roots left it is often difficult to get them going
again..

> Again, thinking toward fall and winter, what is an organic fungicide in
> which I can store my dahlia and glad bulbs?

You could try dusting with powdered sulphur. This is a good fungicide
ansd would also discourage things like mites.

Moira

--
Tony & Moira Ryan
Wainuiomata, New Zealand. (on the "Ring of Fire" in the SW Pacific).
Lat. 41:16S Long. 174:58E. Climate: Mediterranean/Temperate

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Tony & Moira Ryan on mon 17 jul 00

Cherie wrote:
Cheri
It would be helpful to know what kind of Cyclamen we are talking about.
Are they one of the miniature wild species or the larger cultivated
florists types? These do need to be treated somewhat differently. They
are rarely completely round anyway but tend to be rather flattened or
even dished on top and rounded below.

I am puzzled that you seem to have these bulbs completely out of soil
and dried off. This is not usually recommended for any type of cyclamen
as they don't like to be forced to go completely dormant, but should be
encouraged to keep some active roots through their "off" season by
either leaving them in the ground or if in pots by giving just enough
moisture to prevent the mix going dust-dry. If dried off so much they
don't have any roots left it is often difficult to get them going
again..

> Again, thinking toward fall and winter, what is an organic fungicide in
> which I can store my dahlia and glad bulbs?

You could try dusting with powdered sulphur. This is a good fungicide
ansd would also discourage things like mites.

Moira

--
Tony & Moira Ryan
Wainuiomata, New Zealand. (on the "Ring of Fire" in the SW Pacific).
Lat. 41:16S Long. 174:58E. Climate: Mediterranean/Temperate

Tony & Moira Ryan on tue 18 jul 00

Cherie wrote:
Hi Cherie

Well I should say your "mushroom cap" is the base and the indentation
with its bit of growth is the place where the leaves and flowers will
emerge.

As I said previously, the florist kind is treated specially when
planting. The bulb should not be completely buried, but the top half
should be left protruding from the mix.

> What to do? I was planning on planting them later for the cool fall weather
> but maybe, based on what you said above, I should get them going now?

I have never had to deal with dried-off bulbs, but I do know that here
in NZ one way of keeping the florist type bulbs going in the
non-flowering season is to plant them out for the summer in a shady part
of the garden and just leave them to it, so I can't see that early
planting will do yours any harm. In fact it will give them time to
produce a really good root system before flowering. My inclination would
be to get them going now, but keep them in as cool a spot as you can
manage. They will need little or no light and only modest moistening
until the leaves begin to emerge anyway.

Once they do begin to leaf you should probably increase the light as far
as you can without getting them too hot until the flowers begin to
appear. At full flowering time they need plenty of cool light or the
flower stems will become floppy.

> Thanks for the tip about sulfer. Is this the same type of sulfer that one
> would put in the soil to change ph?

Yes, the very same stuff.

Good luck with your cyclamen bulbs

Moira

> Tony & Moira Ryan
> Wainuiomata, New Zealand. (on the "Ring of Fire" in the SW Pacific).
> Lat. 41:16S Long. 174:58E. Climate: Mediterranean/Temperate

--
Tony & Moira Ryan
Wainuiomata, New Zealand. (on the "Ring of Fire" in the SW Pacific).
Lat. 41:16S Long. 174:58E. Climate: Mediterranean/Temperate