Well, the internet being a bunch of un-reliable links, I won't draw a
cause/effect conclusion here. But it sounds like you all got the message
about the time that I sent it, and I got it an hour and a half later.
Normal loopback of my own messages is within seconds and that was true for
everything else today. Not always though.
It does appear that the delay was aparently during the process of coming
back to me.
Hey, no inhaling = no paranoia, right?
Esther
Esther, this is bothering me a little bit. Who/what did you think
could/would have possibly censored your post? The listowners as a rule do
not preview or moderate posts to the list.
Barbara M. Martin
Current Mid-Atlantic Garden Report: "Is It Hardy In My Zone?"
http://nationalgardening.com/regional/report.taf?regionid=13
Now at Cottage Garden: "Garden Catalogs: A Tall Order"
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/cottage_gardening/87477
Co-Owner, Gardens List http://www.scin.quik.com/dorsettm/notes.htm
I like Michale Pollan's writing. I enjoyed his book "Second Nature" and will
probably read this one too. I especially like the title of the new book.
Mary Jane certainly belongs in this category the botany of desire.
OK, let's try a test. Will the word marijuana be censored?
Karen, NJ, admitting inhaling back in the olden days (the 60s; so very long
ago!)
message
> about the time that I sent it, and I got it an hour and a half later.
> Normal loopback of my own messages is within seconds and that was true
for
well, there you go - instant delivery.
Karen, NJ, thinking of going to see Mullholland Drive this evening
do
message
> about the time that I sent it, and I got it an hour and a half later.
> Normal loopback of my own messages is within seconds and that was true
for
> everything else today. Not always though.
> It does appear that the delay was aparently during the process of
coming
I think Esther thought it was censored (some programs don't allow posts
that have "bad" words, and the programs can be very sensitive, like
maybe not allowing something like "babe" to be sent through. or "tit",
even if you're sending it in the "tit for tat" context). Quite often I
will not see my original post (or that of others on the list) for a day
or two, even though the replies to the post come through. I alwayts
thought it was my ISP, but maybe it's a list thing?
---
Julie
Barrie, Ontario
Zone 4/5
Barbara Martin wrote:
If other people/some people see them promptly, then you know it is not a
list thing. :) I have had trouble the past few days with seeing replies
several hours before the original posts. Obviously, that is not caused by
the list!
Barbara M. Martin
Current Mid-Atlantic Garden Report: "Is It Hardy In My Zone?"
http://nationalgardening.com/regional/report.taf?regionid=13
Now at Cottage Garden: "Garden Catalogs: A Tall Order"
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/cottage_gardening/87477
Co-Owner, Gardens List http://www.scin.quik.com/dorsettm/notes.htm
do
message
> about the time that I sent it, and I got it an hour and a half later.
> Normal loopback of my own messages is within seconds and that was true
for
> everything else today. Not always though.
> It does appear that the delay was aparently during the process of
coming
Hi Barb,
Like I said, no conclusion. I wondered why this post didn't come back to
me, as opposed to several others that did, within minutes. I wondered about
censorship because of the topics of the post. I would not have a problem
with a listserv flagging a particular item for review because of content.
After all, it is use of lsv resources. If there were such a policy, I would
prefer it to be announced. I am not saying there was.
I would have a problem if it were my ISP because I pay them well to process
my mail and know of know liability on their part, whatever it contains.
(Although, aparently, if they keep it they could be subpoened for my bad but
that's another whole story.)
Having that kind of mind, I conducted a test and it reinforced the
hypothesis. NO conclusion because there are too many other possibilities,
like, for example, that one message was somehow routed differently from all
others that I sent today. With your note, it also gave me the additional
information about where the delay was in relationship to me. Probably
useless information as I am done with testing.
I promise not to write a bunch of messages to the list with words that would
provoke censorship just to see if there is any, anywhere between you and me.
I am wicked enough to have the impulse, sane enough to refrain. And you, my
bad friends, you know who you are
Esther
who has to go tame some cats
message
> about the time that I sent it, and I got it an hour and a half later.
> Normal loopback of my own messages is within seconds and that was true
for
Why not just resend the original? evil grin
Barbara M. Martin
Current Mid-Atlantic Garden Report: "Is It Hardy In My Zone?"
http://nationalgardening.com/regional/report.taf?regionid=13
Now at Cottage Garden: "Garden Catalogs: A Tall Order"
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/cottage_gardening/87477
Co-Owner, Gardens List http://www.scin.quik.com/dorsettm/notes.htm
about
> censorship because of the topics of the post. I would not have a problem
> with a listserv flagging a particular item for review because of content.
> After all, it is use of lsv resources. If there were such a policy, I
would
> prefer it to be announced. I am not saying there was.
> I would have a problem if it were my ISP because I pay them well to
process
> my mail and know of know liability on their part, whatever it contains.
> (Although, aparently, if they keep it they could be subpoened for my bad
but
> that's another whole story.)
> Having that kind of mind, I conducted a test and it reinforced the
> hypothesis. NO conclusion because there are too many other possibilities,
> like, for example, that one message was somehow routed differently from
all
> others that I sent today. With your note, it also gave me the additional
> information about where the delay was in relationship to me. Probably
> useless information as I am done with testing.
> I promise not to write a bunch of messages to the list with words that
would
> provoke censorship just to see if there is any, anywhere between you and
me.
> I am wicked enough to have the impulse, sane enough to refrain. And you,
my
do
coming
A day or two? That kind of delay isn't a listserv thing; it's most likely
due to your ISP.
The listserv program does 'censor' (they call it filtering) but only for
references to Gardens email address in headers*. That is supposed to stop
mail loops, and those messages will bounce through to Barbara or me. No
other specific words or phrases are filtered...to my knowledge.
Barb Dorsett dorsettm@scin.quik.com
active co-listowner for Gardens gardens-request@lsv.uky.edu
http://lsv.uky.edu/archives/gardens.html
http://www.scin.quik.com/dorsettm/notes.html
* Headers (with minor spacing differences in this specific message and other
differences based on the email program you use) look like:
Our Govt. has tendered out the growing of marijuana to a company(s)? for
medical purposes. I think one of the companies out west is using old
underground bunkers to grow it. There are lots of people with incurable
health problems who get relief from smoking it. Makes sense to me.
Penny - who also admits to indulging in it a few times way way back
swaine
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 5:21 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Censored, was: Book review: the Botany of Desire
I like Michale Pollan's writing. I enjoyed his book "Second Nature" and will
probably read this one too. I especially like the title of the new book.
Mary Jane certainly belongs in this category the botany of desire.
OK, let's try a test. Will the word marijuana be censored?
Karen, NJ, admitting inhaling back in the olden days (the 60s; so very long
ago!)
message
> about the time that I sent it, and I got it an hour and a half later.
> Normal loopback of my own messages is within seconds and that was true
for
Shucks Penny, my mom said she smoked a lot of dope back around the end of WWI and it was legal then.
Probably a good 75% of the population of North America tried it at least once. Of course I never
inhaled.
George
Penny Nielsen wrote:
--- Penny Nielsen
Did you inhale, Penny? ;-)
---
Julie
Barrie, Ontario
Zone 4/5
I used to laugh at the folks who were getting high on pot. Like Penny's DH it only made me sleepy. I
would work a midnite shift, go to school for 6 hours then, on the drive home, smoke my old pipe with
the stuff in it and by the time I had shaved and showered I was asleep as soon as I hit the bed.
When I graduated from the U I gave it all back to the guy who had given it to me to start with.
Guarantee that in Texas 6 plants will get you lots of jail time. Only time I ever smoked the stuff
and didn't care for it then. Never have been much on mood altering substances, too much of a control
freak for that. Alcohol never made me happy, it made me puke. Nicotine and caffeine were my
substances of choice for abuse. Still do the caffeine.
George
Penny Nielsen wrote:
Last night popped in to Coliseum Books in Manhattan just down the street
from Carnegie Hall - NYC is losing another good book store! So many B&Ns
and Borders around that all the others are floundering. A sorry state for
book sellers and dealers. Anyway, everything was 30% off, and (altho I had
promised myself - and H - that I would NOT spend any money there hahaha) I
picked up their last copy of Botany of Desire -- & then, indulging my lust
for garden books, also got their last copy of Dan Hinkley's book: The
Explorer's Garden - Rare and Unusual Perennials -- on p. 230 there's a photo
of Gunnera magellanica with Colocasia esculenta 'Black Magic' in its midst.
Wow!!!
Karen, NJ
will
long
do
coming
Unlike a former President, yep. Otherwise, why bother. We had a fire in a
former house and DH was growing a few plants for his own personal use - when
he couldn't sleep he'd take a couple of puffs from his pipe and it worked
better than anything else. Well, plants were getting too big so he put them
in his office next to our bedroom. Fire started in our bedroom. One of the
firemen was asked to check the other bedrooms. He opened the office door,
looked in and saw the plants and shut the door. Called back to his chief
that all was clear in that room. He winked at DH. Those plants were cut
down the next day. Basically, if you've 6 plants or under police will turn
a blind eye.
Penny - who doesn't even like the smell of the stuff
--- Penny Nielsen
Did you inhale, Penny? ;-)
---
Julie
Barrie, Ontario
Zone 4/5
Down on the Tex/Mex border the border patrol used to pile up all the pot they had seized and burn it
in the open. the whole damned town of Weslaco got high one day when the wind switched. So much pot
traveled on the Tex/Mex railroad that the seeds fell out along the right-of-way and the hippies used
to harvest it until the authorities started spraying it with Paraquat. Saw a documentary on TeeWee
the other day that said pot is the biggest business in the Pacific NW and no taxes are being made on
it. The show also said some areas were very dangerous to enter because of the folks trying to
protect their crops.
George
swaine wrote:
Gee I love the smell of marijauna. burning. the smoke, I mean. uhhh
Way way back, we were just out of school, settled down renting a house --
Levittown, NY with a new bebe; I grew one pot plant from seed, and put it
out in the backyard where it would get full sun. This was 1966. A neighbor
and I were talking "over the fence" when she noticed it and asked what it
was. I told her a type of bamboo.
Anyway, it was not strong enough to even make me cough, or maybe I just
didn't know what to do with it? Dry it? Shake out all the pollen and make
hahahahashish? So, I saved it for a few years and finally threw it away.
In Holland, when I moved there in '74, they were selling plants on the
flower market! Knowing what the weather was like there (when the sun comes
out, everyone turns toward it, eyes closed, trying to catch a few rays), and
being so much older and wiser (what?) I didn't even bother to buy one.
Karen, NJ reading/deleting these posts days after they were written so sorry
if I am repetitive...
a
> former house and DH was growing a few plants for his own personal use -
when
> he couldn't sleep he'd take a couple of puffs from his pipe and it worked
> better than anything else. Well, plants were getting too big so he put
them
> in his office next to our bedroom. Fire started in our bedroom. One of
the
> firemen was asked to check the other bedrooms. He opened the office door,
> looked in and saw the plants and shut the door. Called back to his chief
> that all was clear in that room. He winked at DH. Those plants were cut
> down the next day. Basically, if you've 6 plants or under police will
turn
That goes back to the 70s, George. I understand the mountains around
Eureka, CA are so booby trapped even the law enforcers won't go in
there. I think the growers left long ago. Set themselves up in their Swiss
chalets on their retirement for 30 somethings. Margaret L
It's all gone indoors. Better results from overheated rooms, all female
plants, long lighted periods, with extra CO2 thrown in. I learned this all
in the book.
Esther
Swiss
Saw
I'm glad you put in the disclaimer, I was getting worried.
George
Esther Czekalski wrote:
Anyone see the movie "Saving Grace"? It was so funny! My husband enjoyed it even
though he definately wasn't an inhaler. Marg
George Shirley wrote:
Yeah, I know. I might have to go for government security classification
someday and explain all of this! There were several notes where I held back
from saying anything but, well, the urge to communicate took over. It's
from the book. Really!
Sigh,
Esther
all
pot
> they had seized and burn it
> in the open. the whole damned town of Weslaco got high one day when
the
> wind switched. So much pot
> traveled on the Tex/Mex railroad that the seeds fell out along the
> right-of-way and the hippies used
> to harvest it until the authorities started spraying it with
Paraquat.
> Saw
> a documentary on TeeWee
> the other day that said pot is the biggest business in the Pacific NW
and
> no taxes are being made on
> it. The show also said some areas were very dangerous to enter
because of
Well, obviously. We believe you. But will THEY believe you. Heh heh heh....
;o)
Karen, NJ - who nowadays as far as she knows inhales nothing but [clean]
air & a bit of smoke from some good tobacco in H's pipe
back
female
> plants, long lighted periods, with extra CO2 thrown in. I learned
this
around
> Eureka, CA are so booby trapped even the law enforcers won't go in
> there. I think the growers left long ago. Set themselves up in
their
> Swiss
> chalets on their retirement for 30 somethings. Margaret L
> Down on the Tex/Mex border the border patrol used to pile up all
the
NW
