Boston continues to lead in this, in theory. The big dig is burying the
infrastructure and much of what was once freeway space will be covered =
with
more public garden. Or at least that's the plan. I really hope it =
happens.
I thought hurricane prone areas were looking at the benefits of burying
utilities, not taking down trees.
Always hoping...
Esther Czekalski
Margaret
E.Millard
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:29 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: OT orchid pics
I think we are quite blind in the way we deal with development even here =
in
the country. Rurally I guess. If we could just learn what did and didn't =
work here and use it to deal with homelessness etc,..I have been doing =
eggs
with a really neat young woman from Poland Originally, who spent a fair =
bit
of time in India and she is a planner. Beating her head on the walls of =
the
people who cannot imagine what she is trying to tell them. Maybe a pre
requisite to these courses or employment is to spend time in places that =
have huge populations and high pollution rates!
When I first lived in Calgary, there was a move on to add more trees to =
the
downtown core and maintain those out in the older sections. The second =
time
I lived there the trees were toast or potted. Now potted is better than =
no I
suppose but.....
After Juan, power corp. here decided the trees had to go...well that met =
with some howls of protest as if they had looked after pruning the way =
it
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
Printers are designed to die just after you've replaced the ink cartridges - part of their job description. Is it still under warranty? If so, you contact the manufacturer and they usually have you send it back and they'll fix and send it back to you - usually with full ink cartridges (Epson does anyway). If you have a Canon or HP, that may just be the normal running noise for it! :)
Brenda
- not a Canon or HP fan - could you tell?!
Date: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:58 am
Subject: Re: green spaces, was: OT orchid pics
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
Hey, our guys just blast rock. (give it to my neighbor to fill wetland. =
We
have plenty) And so what if some of the construction's underwater. It =
only
leaks here and there
Esther Czekalski
Margaret
E.Millard
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:26 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: green spaces, was: OT orchid pics
well you see, until now we haven't really been hurricane
prone.....a new thing as of late, I guess. Burying the power lines isn't =
an
thorough option as mostly we are on the pre cambium shield........solid =
rock
until it isn't :?))
Marg in N.S. Zone 6b
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mmillard/index.html
Boston continues to lead in this, in theory. The big dig is burying the
infrastructure and much of what was once freeway space will be covered =
with
more public garden. Or at least that's the plan. I really hope it =
happens.
I thought hurricane prone areas were looking at the benefits of burying
utilities, not taking down trees.
Always hoping...
Esther Czekalski
Margaret
E.Millard
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:29 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: OT orchid pics
I think we are quite blind in the way we deal with development even here =
in
the country. Rurally I guess. If we could just learn what did and didn't
work here and use it to deal with homelessness etc,..I have been doing =
eggs
with a really neat young woman from Poland Originally, who spent a fair =
bit
of time in India and she is a planner. Beating her head on the walls of =
the
people who cannot imagine what she is trying to tell them. Maybe a pre
requisite to these courses or employment is to spend time in places that
have huge populations and high pollution rates!
When I first lived in Calgary, there was a move on to add more trees to =
the
downtown core and maintain those out in the older sections. The second =
time
I lived there the trees were toast or potted. Now potted is better than =
no I
suppose but.....
After Juan, power corp. here decided the trees had to go...well that met
with some howls of protest as if they had looked after pruning the way =
it
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
No experience with electricity but did design a network system with =
buried
fiber. A kind of glass based "wire", for those of you who don't know =
much
about networks. It carries a whole lot of information via lightwaves. =
It's
touchy to put in place but not prone to problems from dampness. And we =
paid
almost triple to put in a sturdy conduit (a tube) so that we could =
re-cable
by just pulling or pushing stuff through. Fiber is pretty tough once =
it's
in place and protected by the conduit.
Short way of saying this is that there is probably a way they could =
safely
put wire underground even in a flood, and not have to dig the whole =
length
for a problem but it might be very expensive.
Esther Czekalski
d-k-barker@juno.com
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:36 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: green spaces, was: OT orchid pics
Sanibel & Captiva have talked about burying them. I don't know what =
they
will ultimately decide. There are pros and cons. Not only is it more
expensive, it's also harder to repair. Nicer aesthetics to have them =
buried
- we do at our condo. But when something goes wrong you've got a LOT of
digging to do. We had to replace a 14,000 (is it watts or volts?) cable
this year. Fortunately LCEC gave us a temporary cable which was just in =
a
sleeve on top of the ground. But we were still without power for 12 =
hours
one day and 5 hours another day. We had to rope off the area where the
temporary cable ran across the walkway for about a week. It took much
longer for them to fix than if it had been an overhead line. They =
subbed
out the digging. If it had been an overhead line they would have =
replaced
it themselves. I'm sure there would be less damage from hurricane =
winds,
but what about storm surges and underground lines? I'm not sure how
watertight they would be in flooding.
Karen on Sanibel
-- "Margaret E.Millard"
well you see, until now we haven't really been hurricane
prone.....a new thing as of late, I guess. Burying the power lines isn't =
an
thorough option as mostly we are on the pre cambium shield........solid =
rock
until it isn't :?))
Marg in N.S. Zone 6b
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mmillard/index.html
Boston continues to lead in this, in theory. The big dig is burying the
infrastructure and much of what was once freeway space will be covered =
with
more public garden. Or at least that's the plan. I really hope it =
happens.
I thought hurricane prone areas were looking at the benefits of burying
utilities, not taking down trees.
Always hoping...
Esther Czekalski
Margaret
E.Millard
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:29 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: OT orchid pics
I think we are quite blind in the way we deal with development even here =
in
the country. Rurally I guess. If we could just learn what did and didn't
work here and use it to deal with homelessness etc,..I have been doing =
eggs
with a really neat young woman from Poland Originally, who spent a fair =
bit
of time in India and she is a planner. Beating her head on the walls of =
the
people who cannot imagine what she is trying to tell them. Maybe a pre
requisite to these courses or employment is to spend time in places that
have huge populations and high pollution rates!
When I first lived in Calgary, there was a move on to add more trees to =
the
downtown core and maintain those out in the older sections. The second =
time
I lived there the trees were toast or potted. Now potted is better than =
no I
suppose but.....
After Juan, power corp. here decided the trees had to go...well that met
with some howls of protest as if they had looked after pruning the way =
it
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
well you see, until now we haven't really been hurricane
prone.....a new thing as of late, I guess. Burying the power lines isn't an
thorough option as mostly we are on the pre cambium shield........solid rock
until it isn't :?))
Marg in N.S. Zone 6b
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mmillard/index.html
Boston continues to lead in this, in theory. The big dig is burying the
infrastructure and much of what was once freeway space will be covered with
more public garden. Or at least that's the plan. I really hope it happens.
I thought hurricane prone areas were looking at the benefits of burying
utilities, not taking down trees.
Always hoping...
Esther Czekalski
E.Millard
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:29 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: OT orchid pics
I think we are quite blind in the way we deal with development even here in
the country. Rurally I guess. If we could just learn what did and didn't
work here and use it to deal with homelessness etc,..I have been doing eggs
with a really neat young woman from Poland Originally, who spent a fair bit
of time in India and she is a planner. Beating her head on the walls of the
people who cannot imagine what she is trying to tell them. Maybe a pre
requisite to these courses or employment is to spend time in places that
have huge populations and high pollution rates!
When I first lived in Calgary, there was a move on to add more trees to the
downtown core and maintain those out in the older sections. The second time
I lived there the trees were toast or potted. Now potted is better than no I
suppose but.....
After Juan, power corp. here decided the trees had to go...well that met
with some howls of protest as if they had looked after pruning the way it
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
Hi Karen,
This is a good commentary on underground electrical supply. These cables
are waterproof with very few problems from water. The major problem is
getting cable 'locates' (most homeowners don't want to be bothered) from the
utility when someone wants to dig for a mailbox post, washline pole, any
type of lawn or garden digging (here in Ontario the cables are down 3 feet)
can damage the cable which is a bigger problem around here than water. On
the other hand I really don't know much about how storm surges work. Maybe
they wash so much earth away they rip up the cables.
Bernice
Sanibel & Captiva have talked about burying them. I don't know what they
will ultimately decide. There are pros and cons. Not only is it more
expensive, it's also harder to repair. Nicer aesthetics to have them
buried - we do at our condo. But when something goes wrong you've got a LOT
of digging to do. We had to replace a 14,000 (is it watts or volts?) cable
this year. Fortunately LCEC gave us a temporary cable which was just in a
sleeve on top of the ground. But we were still without power for 12 hours
one day and 5 hours another day. We had to rope off the area where the
temporary cable ran across the walkway for about a week. It took much
longer for them to fix than if it had been an overhead line. They subbed
out the digging. If it had been an overhead line they would have replaced
it themselves. I'm sure there would be less damage from hurricane winds,
but what about storm surges and underground lines? I'm not sure how
watertight they would be in flooding.
Karen on Sanibel
-- "Margaret E.Millard"
well you see, until now we haven't really been hurricane
prone.....a new thing as of late, I guess. Burying the power lines isn't an
thorough option as mostly we are on the pre cambium shield........solid rock
until it isn't :?))
Marg in N.S. Zone 6b
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mmillard/index.html
Boston continues to lead in this, in theory. The big dig is burying the
infrastructure and much of what was once freeway space will be covered with
more public garden. Or at least that's the plan. I really hope it happens.
I thought hurricane prone areas were looking at the benefits of burying
utilities, not taking down trees.
Always hoping...
Esther Czekalski
E.Millard
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:29 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: OT orchid pics
I think we are quite blind in the way we deal with development even here in
the country. Rurally I guess. If we could just learn what did and didn't
work here and use it to deal with homelessness etc,..I have been doing eggs
with a really neat young woman from Poland Originally, who spent a fair bit
of time in India and she is a planner. Beating her head on the walls of the
people who cannot imagine what she is trying to tell them. Maybe a pre
requisite to these courses or employment is to spend time in places that
have huge populations and high pollution rates!
When I first lived in Calgary, there was a move on to add more trees to the
downtown core and maintain those out in the older sections. The second time
I lived there the trees were toast or potted. Now potted is better than no I
suppose but.....
After Juan, power corp. here decided the trees had to go...well that met
with some howls of protest as if they had looked after pruning the way it
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
we have that too, rock and wetland, which is being filled in so fast!! I
used to work with guys who loved to blow up rocks, (well anything really) ,
big grins and lots of shake, rattle and roll. I understand they do have to
bury the gas lines that are slowly coming in and the powers that b e are
trying to get permission to lay them in the road shoulders. I don't know
what that status is now. Maybe a utility corridor as in the west? Put in a
road, put in all the utilities and such underground before construction on
houses goes ahead.
My Printer just died........grrr. Anyone know why the thing should suddenly
start to dance about and shake? Looks like something has gone off the rails
inside. Can't see a leak, just put new cartridges in too, over 100 bucks
worth, h-ll, bggr, d-m-
Have to go do some plotting up, there goes my time saved by working the
weekend. heavy sigh.
Marg in N.S. Zone 6b
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mmillard/index.html
Hey, our guys just blast rock. (give it to my neighbor to fill wetland. We
have plenty) And so what if some of the construction's underwater. It only
leaks here and there
Esther Czekalski
E.Millard
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:26 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: green spaces, was: OT orchid pics
well you see, until now we haven't really been hurricane
prone.....a new thing as of late, I guess. Burying the power lines isn't an
thorough option as mostly we are on the pre cambium shield........solid rock
until it isn't :?))
Marg in N.S. Zone 6b
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mmillard/index.html
Boston continues to lead in this, in theory. The big dig is burying the
infrastructure and much of what was once freeway space will be covered with
more public garden. Or at least that's the plan. I really hope it happens.
I thought hurricane prone areas were looking at the benefits of burying
utilities, not taking down trees.
Always hoping...
Esther Czekalski
---
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
Sanibel & Captiva have talked about burying them. I don't know what the=
y will ultimately decide. There are pros and cons. Not only is it more=
expensive, it's also harder to repair. Nicer aesthetics to have them b=
uried - we do at our condo. But when something goes wrong you've got a =
LOT of digging to do. We had to replace a 14,000 (is it watts or volts?=
) cable this year. Fortunately LCEC gave us a temporary cable which was=
just in a sleeve on top of the ground. But we were still without power=
for 12 hours one day and 5 hours another day. We had to rope off the a=
rea where the temporary cable ran across the walkway for about a week. =
It took much longer for them to fix than if it had been an overhead line=
.. They subbed out the digging. If it had been an overhead line they wo=
uld have replaced it themselves. I'm sure there would be less damage fr=
om hurricane winds, but what about storm surges and underground lines? =
I'm not sure how watertight they would be in flooding.
Karen on Sanibel
-- "Margaret E.Millard"
well you see, until now we haven't really been hurricane
prone.....a new thing as of late, I guess. Burying the power lines isn't=
an =
thorough option as mostly we are on the pre cambium shield........solid =
rock =
until it isn't :?))
Marg in N.S. Zone 6b
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mmillard/index.html
Boston continues to lead in this, in theory. The big dig is burying the=
infrastructure and much of what was once freeway space will be covered w=
ith
more public garden. Or at least that's the plan. I really hope it happ=
ens.
I thought hurricane prone areas were looking at the benefits of burying
utilities, not taking down trees.
Always hoping...
Esther Czekalski
aret
E.Millard
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:29 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: OT orchid pics
I think we are quite blind in the way we deal with development even here=
in
the country. Rurally I guess. If we could just learn what did and didn't=
work here and use it to deal with homelessness etc,..I have been doing e=
ggs
with a really neat young woman from Poland Originally, who spent a fair =
bit
of time in India and she is a planner. Beating her head on the walls of =
the
people who cannot imagine what she is trying to tell them. Maybe a pre
requisite to these courses or employment is to spend time in places that=
have huge populations and high pollution rates!
When I first lived in Calgary, there was a move on to add more trees to =
the
downtown core and maintain those out in the older sections. The second t=
ime
I lived there the trees were toast or potted. Now potted is better than =
no I
suppose but.....
After Juan, power corp. here decided the trees had to go...well that met=
with some howls of protest as if they had looked after pruning the way i=
t
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
Hi Bernice,
We have the "One Call" thing in PA and here in FL they call it "No Cuts"
but you're right most people don't call. You're lucky they put the
cables so deep in Ontario - here they are a lot closer to the surface.
LCEC used the "No Cuts" service before they replaced our broken electric
cable. Guess they didn't want any more expense, because the cable was on
their side of the transformer, so we didn't have to pay for it.
Karen on Sanibel
On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:54:25 -0500 Bernice Young
writes:
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
Expensive, yes, and there in lies a problem. I like the suggestion of a
corridor and I thick eventually it is the way things will ahve to go.
Marg in N.S. Zone 6b
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mmillard/index.html
No experience with electricity but did design a network system with buried
fiber. A kind of glass based "wire", for those of you who don't know much
about networks. It carries a whole lot of information via lightwaves. It's
touchy to put in place but not prone to problems from dampness. And we paid
almost triple to put in a sturdy conduit (a tube) so that we could re-cable
by just pulling or pushing stuff through. Fiber is pretty tough once it's
in place and protected by the conduit.
Short way of saying this is that there is probably a way they could safely
put wire underground even in a flood, and not have to dig the whole length
for a problem but it might be very expensive.
Esther Czekalski
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
No,it is an Epson, several years old. A cheapy that has done me proud until
now. Hard on ink!!! oH My! It does cost more to replace the cartridges than
the printer but I hate the waste....
of course now loose both. Must see what is on sale and where. of course it
happens right in the middle of trying to set up from a Pysanky session.
Marg in N.S. Zone 6b
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mmillard/index.html
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
What I did when my Epson conked out is I went out and bought the same model (fortunately it was still available). That way the ink cartridges that I had stocked up on were worth something. If you just have the one set of cartridges, not so bad.
Warning - I tried out a Lexmark here at work. DON'T consider them at all. The cartridges are the most expensive out there and the thing guzzles ink. I think I replaced cartridges less than once a week and I don't print much. And it made all the printouts look like they were out of focus. Terrible piece of crap. I ended up taking it back.
The one thing about Epson, they have one of the cheapest cartridges. Costco the cheapest by far.
Brenda
Date: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:56 pm
Subject: Re: green spaces, was: OT orchid pics
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
So I guess what I meant to say was that I now check out ink cartridge prices before I purchase a printer. And for me photo quality was important, so the Epson won out.
You can also get some pretty cheap laser printers out there now...something to consider. And don't let their cartridge prices bother you, they last forever.
Brenda
Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 7:57 am
Subject: Re: green spaces, was: OT orchid pics
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
I like HP printers, laser and inket. After having three Epsons die the =
minute the warranty was up, I switched to HP years ago. I buy Office De=
pot replacement cartridges for both, which is a few bucks cheaper. I lo=
ve my HP laser printer which is now 8 years old. I keep expecting it to=
die and so far it hasn't. Of course, I do have to feed paper in one sh=
eet at a time anymore, but other than that it still works great. I also=
have a HP inkjet all-in-one that works great. When Office Depot first =
came out with their own replacement cartridges I could get one for the i=
nkjet for $9.95. Now they've raised it so that it's only about $3 less =
than the HP brand. But they seem to work just as well, so I buy them.
Karen on Sanibel
-- BRENDA PINK
What I did when my Epson conked out is I went out and bought the same mo=
del (fortunately it was still available). That way the ink cartridges t=
hat I had stocked up on were worth something. If you just have the one =
set of cartridges, not so bad. =
Warning - I tried out a Lexmark here at work. DON'T consider them at al=
l. The cartridges are the most expensive out there and the thing guzzle=
s ink. I think I replaced cartridges less than once a week and I don't =
print much. And it made all the printouts look like they were out of fo=
cus. Terrible piece of crap. I ended up taking it back.
The one thing about Epson, they have one of the cheapest cartridges. Co=
stco the cheapest by far.
Brenda
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
Good thinking, to get a printer for which COSTCO sells the ink... that will
be our next one -- the DELL printer came with the computer (no charge, and
entire thing was great price) and you can only get ink thru Dell.... oh
well... next one will be Epson, or one that has cheap cartridges.. ir
refillable ones....???
karen, NJ
.
*********************************************
We may see on a spring day in one place more
beauty in a wood than in any garden.
~~William Robinson
*********************************************
