I just planted a cutting of Japanese Anemone, very easy to grow. It rooted
and put out two leaves in this very warm autumn we're having. But it's now
being devoured by slugs or snails. I sprinkled some Sluggo and that seemed
to attract them and they did even more damage. Now I'm trying the copper
tape which has worked for me before.
But--along with the usual slug and snail we have a species of very tiny
slugs here that seem impervious to any kind of control. I haven't tried
beer yet. Does anyone out there have this particular brand of slug--and, if
so, have you found a way to deal with them?
Barbara - in Berkeley where it's been in the high 60s to mid-70s for the
last two weeks!
We don't have those tiny one's you're describing, but we do have our =
share
of grey, brown, black, orange, striped and mottled ones! My experience =
is
that one method alone doesn't really help. There's at least 3 phases you
have to control. The one's helping themselves to your salad bar right =
now,
the eggs they lay in your garden beds, and the ones that'll move in from
next door tonight.
Isolation with copper tape works well against the migration (if you =
don't
have a way for them to sneak in either under or over), but it doesn't =
help
with those that are inside already or are about to hatch. Finding those =
eggs
Kimm was talking about within the barrier helps as does a beer trap or =
two
or bait inside the perimeter and then several nights of hand picking. I =
find
beer/bait to work pretty well on those coming in from next door, unless =
it's
raining. And there are still plenty who prefer salad to beer....
During my hand picking excursions, I go out with a pair of chopsticks =
and a
small bucket of soapy (not detergent) water. Afterwards, the bucket gets
dumped on the compost pile.
And just when you thought the numbers are down and you can relax a =
little,
the cycle repeats. I never seem to be diligent enough to keep things =
slug
free, but I have been able to keep up with it during the seedling phase =
and
then just accept some damage when the plants are big enough to take it.
Good luck!
Steve Tinsley
Seattle, WA
Are they tiny white ones? look sort of like seed pearls? I have them.
although not now (this time of year) that I know of. I had them so
badly one year I would put out about 25 to 30 beer traps (little lids
etc.) every day and dump them out full of drunken dead slugs. I also
was salting them like mad and probably killed 200 an evening that way.
The population is greatly reduced, but still gives me a few problems in
the spring. I use sluggo and get good results.
susan
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Barbara, yes, the beer ( Bud light ) works for those little things. They are hard to get off of plant leaves with a stick because they are so small. That is one of the major reasons that I put out the beer, but then I got pretty big slugs in the plant saucer too. Sue
Plant Spirit Herbals in No. Calif.
barbara sargent
But--along with the usual slug and snail we have a species of very tiny
slugs here that seem impervious to any kind of control. I haven't tried
beer yet. Does anyone out there have this particular brand of slug--and, if
so, have you found a way to deal with them?
--0-2063627912-1132542607=:7207Barbara, yes, the beer ( Bud light ) works for those little things. They are hard to get off of plant leaves with a stick because they are so small. That is one of the major reasons that I put out the beer, but then I got pretty big slugs in the plant saucer too. SuePlant Spirit Herbals in No. Calif.
barbara sargent <rsgt@CALIFORNIA.COM> wrote:
But--along with the usual slug and snail we have a species of very tiny
slugs here that seem impervious to any kind of control. I haven't tried
beer yet. Does anyone out there have this particular brand of slug--and, if
so, have you found a way to deal with them?
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Susan, Isn't sluggo a poison? Not organic? Sue
Susan Setzler
I use sluggo and get good results.
--0-601995039-1132552513=:87688Susan, Isn't sluggo a poison? Not organic? Sue Susan Setzler <christie@PSKNET.COM> wrote:I use sluggo and get good results.
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> But--along with the usual slug and snail we have a species of very tiny
> slugs here that seem impervious to any kind of control. > Barbara -
Tiny slugs are just new born babies, could be a multitude of species.
j
It is organic, iron something, I forget, it biodegrades to a nitrogen,=20=
I think. I am all bollixed up about what it is but it is considered
organic,
susan
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Do you mean they don't spring full-grown...? aaaarrrggghhh. Slug eggs =
look exactly like a slow release synthetic fertilizer called Osmocote. =
Same size, too. Margaret L
> But--along with the usual slug and snail we have a species of very =
tiny
> slugs here that seem impervious to any kind of control. > Barbara -
Tiny slugs are just new born babies, could be a multitude of species.
j
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The lore behind American Budweiser and slugs is that Budweiser has rice
added to it as a fermentation compound. Don't know if it makes it =
sweeter or
what, but for some reason, slugs really like it. I did hold a "tasting" =
in
one of my beds and had a unanimous preference to Bud vs. Miller High =
Life -
another American beer in the same catagory, though no rice in the =
formula...
Cheers :-)
Steve
Behalf
Of Tony and Moira
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:40 PM
To: OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: speaking of slugs...
Susan, Isn't sluggo a poison? Not organic? Sue
Sluggo and similar formulations are considered safe for limited organic =
use
they have as their active ingredient an iron compound. It is poisonous =
to
slugs or there would be no point in using it, but in limited amounts =
quite
harmless to warm-blooded creatures. The brand we can buy locally =
apparently
includes a nasty-tasting element which should keep kids and pets from =
eating
it, but even if they did would not be likely to do more than give them a
tummy ache..
"Organic" is a term loosely applied to certain pesticides which are =
based
either plant extracts or naturally occuring minerals and which leave =
behind
no dangerous residues in the environment. However none of them is more =
than
a last resort for someone trying to grow organically, as many of them, =
even
if not poisonous to us or our pets, do quite a lot of harm to the =
ecosystem
by killing all insects or other wildlife indescriminately and a few, =
such
as the plant extract nicotine, are virulent poisonous for warm as well =
as
cold-blood creatures.. A few treatments are more benign than this, some =
of
the focusssed diseases of caterpillars for instance, and also beer, =
which is
a bait for molluscs but a harmless special treat to most anything else.
(Unfortuntely it seems American beer has some magic ingredient which our
local brew does not contain, as they turn up their noses at the latter =
for
me and my friends!.)
While most slug baits are in the poisonous-to-mammals category, sluggo =
is
more aceptable organically as it is of little interest to anything but
slugs and snails. and while other "chemical" baits leave a poisonous =
residue
behind the end product of this is only iron chelate which is simply iron =
in
a form particularly useful to plants.
We are very lucky here in that there are very few slugs around indeed, =
and
mostly only harmless natives which feed on refuse. However, we do get =
masses
of snails, which are perhaps easier to search out and dispose of. About =
the
only places where I feel the need of something more than "search and
destroy" are in clumping plants such as the lush-leaved Reinga lily, and =
on
the benches in my greenhouse where sometimes an elusive snail will wreak
havoc uncaught for weeks. I am sure though if I had slugs at the level =
some
of you unfortuntes do I should be using much more bait than I now do. If =
I
do use it out in the garden beds I put it in traps which only admit =
snails
and slugs and maybe a few slaters (pillbugs) which do not take the bait, =
but
find the traps nice to take a snooze in. On the greenhouse benches, =
where
nothing is likely to try them, I just scatter a very few on the bench =
near
any plant which is getting savaged.
Moira
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(Unfortuntely it seems American beer has some magic ingredient which =
our local brew does not contain, as they turn up their noses at the =
latter for me and my friends!.)
A little bread yeast in a sugary water solution is almost as good. Which =
makes me think that your beer may be sterilised with the yeasts dead =
Moira.
john
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sue Jennings
To: OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: speaking of slugs...
Susan, Isn't sluggo a poison? Not organic? Sue
Sluggo and similar formulations are considered safe for limited =
organic use they have as their active ingredient an iron compound. It =
is poisonous to slugs or there would be no point in using it, but in =
limited amounts quite harmless to warm-blooded creatures. The brand we =
can buy locally apparently includes a nasty-tasting element which should =
keep kids and pets from eating it, but even if they did would not be =
likely to do more than give them a tummy ache..
"Organic" is a term loosely applied to certain pesticides which are =
based either plant extracts or naturally occuring minerals and which =
leave behind no dangerous residues in the environment. However none of =
them is more than a last resort for someone trying to grow organically, =
as many of them, even if not poisonous to us or our pets, do quite a lot =
of harm to the ecosystem by killing all insects or other wildlife =
indescriminately and a few, such as the plant extract nicotine, are =
virulent poisonous for warm as well as cold-blood creatures.. A few =
treatments are more benign than this, some of the focusssed diseases of =
caterpillars for instance, and also beer, which is a bait for molluscs =
but a harmless special treat to most anything else. (Unfortuntely it =
seems American beer has some magic ingredient which our local brew does =
not contain, as they turn up their noses at the latter for me and my =
friends!.)
While most slug baits are in the poisonous-to-mammals category, =
sluggo is more aceptable organically as it is of little interest to =
anything but slugs and snails. and while other "chemical" baits leave a =
poisonous residue behind the end product of this is only iron chelate =
which is simply iron in a form particularly useful to plants.
We are very lucky here in that there are very few slugs around indeed, =
and mostly only harmless natives which feed on refuse. However, we do =
get masses of snails, which are perhaps easier to search out and dispose =
of. About the only places where I feel the need of something more than =
"search and destroy" are in clumping plants such as the lush-leaved =
Reinga lily, and on the benches in my greenhouse where sometimes an =
elusive snail will wreak havoc uncaught for weeks. I am sure though if I =
had slugs at the level some of you unfortuntes do I should be using much =
more bait than I now do. If I do use it out in the garden beds I put it =
in traps which only admit snails and slugs and maybe a few slaters =
(pillbugs) which do not take the bait, but find the traps nice to take =
a snooze in. On the greenhouse benches, where nothing is likely to try =
them, I just scatter a very few on the bench near any plant which is =
getting savaged.
Moira
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Unfortunately it seems American beer has some magic ingredient which =
our local brew does not contain, as they turn up their noses at the =
latter for me and my friends!.)
As an American, I too find American beers repugnant. They all taste =
the same and not very good at that.
Kimm
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You mean beer is supposed to taste good?
(I use it in rellenos and corn fritters sometimes but otherwise pass....)
Laura
Unfortunately it seems American beer has some magic ingredient which our
local brew does not contain, as they turn up their noses at the latter for
me and my friends!.)
As an American, I too find American beers repugnant. They all taste the
same and not very good at that.
Kimm
I never was a beer drinker but yes some beer tastes real good. Visit Belgium
and try some of the 200+ varieties and you are bound to agree. In some
localities they add cherry juice to a second or third fermentation process
and it is really nice. Much easier to drink than most wines and almost as
potent.
john
