Sue Jennings on mon 3 apr 06

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Pat, could you ask them what they are not happy with? I would be interested in hearing what they are saying. I was thinking of buying one when at least one of mine has to be ripped out to build my garage this year. Sue

Pat Meadows wrote:
I have no personal experience with this blackberry, but
people on a fruit-growers list do not think well of it.

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Pat, could you ask them what they are not happy with?  I would be interested in hearing what they are saying.  I was thinking of buying one when at least one of mine has to be ripped out to build my garage this year.  Sue

Pat Meadows <pat@MEADOWS.PAIR.COM> wrote:
I have no personal experience with this blackberry, but
people on a fruit-growers list do not think well of it.


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MARGARET LAUTERBACH on mon 3 apr 06

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What is their criticism, Pat? I have one en route. Margaret L

> Not experienced with this for zone 4 but this is what it states on =
the website =
http://www.fruitsandberries.com/
> Thornless
> 10 to 20 gallons of berries per plant
> (that's about 1 to 2 bushels per plant)
> Fruit is in large bunches with 40 to 100 berries

I have no personal experience with this blackberry, but
people on a fruit-growers list do not think well of it.

Pat
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism,
since it is the merger of state and corporate power."
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Amy of M.G. on mon 3 apr 06

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Not experienced with this for zone 4 but this is what it states on the website http://www.fruitsandberries.com/

Thornless

10 to 20 gallons of berries per plant

(that's about 1 to 2 bushels per plant)

Fruit is in large bunches with 40 to 100 berries

All 50 states, zones 3-10

Bears over a 4 to 6 week period

Large, sweet, juicy berries.

Is in the Agriculture Hall of Fame

Doubles as an ornamental

No disease reported ever!

The Doyle's Thornless Blackberry(tm) is not new at all, ours is 40 years old, older than most Thornless blackberry plants sold today. The original plant is still producing gallons and gallons of sweet juicy berries!

There are many new Thornless blackberries on the market but there are none that compares with this one, not even one!

The other varieties only produce about 1 to 2 quarts per plant, but you already knew that, didn't you? Others cannot grow in all frost zones 3 to 10, but this one can and does. It is now growing in all 50 states and Canada. We have also sent plants to South America and Africa.

I did buy one, but I am in zone 10

--- On Mon 04/03, Pat Meadows < pat@MEADOWS.PAIR.COM > wrote:We have a small lot too, somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of anacre.I think the blackberries are very iffy in Zone 4. We haveZone 4 low temperatures in winter, we tried blackberries asdid a friend around the corner from us. No good. The rootslived, but the fruit grows on the canes which grew the yearbefore, and they were all winter-killed.So - unless you can get some blackberry plants guaranteed tofruit in Zone 4 - I think they're a lost cause.St. Lawrence Nursery might carry some adapted to Zone 4: http://www.sln.potsdam.ny.us/I didn't answer the fruit-growing question before: we growgooseberries, rhubarb and attempted blueberries (a deer atemost of the blueberry bushes, however). We have given up onblackberries and raspberries (see above about theblackberries). Raspberries will certainly be OK in Zone 4-ish winters, butthree sets of them have died here. We have terrible claysoil and I think the raspberries jus!
t
drowned in our heavywet clay. The gooseberries and rhubarb are doing very well. We aregetting a substantial harvest of rhubarb each year now, anda modest harvest of gooseberries. The plants are three orfour years old.I'll also be growing ground cherries in the garden, andmelons in the hoophouse this year. And I grow strawberriesin containers.Pat-- Northern Pennsylvania"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini

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Not experienced with this for zone 4 but this is what it states on the website http://www.fruitsandberries.com/ Thornless 10 to 20 gallons of berries per plant (that's about 1 to 2 bushels per plant) Fruit is in large bunches with 40 to 100 berries All 50 states, zones 3-10 Bears over a 4 to 6 week period Large, sweet, juicy berries. Is in the Agriculture Hall of Fame Doubles as an ornamental No disease reported ever! The Doyle's Thornless Blackberry(tm) is not new at all, ours is 40 years old, older than most Thornless blackberry plants sold today. The original plant is still producing gallons and gallons of sweet juicy berries! There are many new Thornless blackberries on the market but there are none that compares with this one, not even one! The other varieties only produce about 1 to 2 quarts per plant, but you already knew that, didn't you? Others cannot grow in all frost zones 3 to 10, but this one can and does. It is now growing in all 50 states and Canada. We have also sent plants to South America and Africa. I did buy one, but I am in zone 10 --- On Mon 04/03, Pat Meadows < pat@MEADOWS.PAIR.COM > wrote: We have a small lot too, somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of an acre. I think the blackberries are very iffy in Zone 4. We have Zone 4 low temperatures in winter, we tried blackberries as did a friend around the corner from us. No good. The roots lived, but the fruit grows on the canes which grew the year before, and they were all winter-killed. So - unless you can get some blackberry plants guaranteed to fruit in Zone 4 - I think they're a lost cause. St. Lawrence Nursery might carry some adapted to Zone 4: http://www.sln.potsdam.ny.us/ I didn't answer the fruit-growing question before: we grow gooseberries, rhubarb and attempted blueberries (a deer ate most of the blueberry bushes, however). We have given up on blackberries and raspberries (see above about the blackberries). Raspberries will certainly be OK in Zone 4-ish winters, but three sets of them have died here. We have terrible clay soil and I think the raspberries just drowned in our heavy wet clay. The gooseberries and rhubarb are doing very well. We are getting a substantial harvest of rhubarb each year now, and a modest harvest of gooseberries. The plants are three or four years old. I'll also be growing ground cherries in the garden, and melons in the hoophouse this year. And I grow strawberries in containers. Pat -- Northern Pennsylvania "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini

Nancy Babbitt on mon 3 apr 06

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Amy,

Thanks so much for this info. I sure am adding it to my list.

Nancy
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From: Amy of M.G.
To: OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: Blackberries: what kind of fruit do you all grow?

Not experienced with this for zone 4 but this is what it states =
on the website
http://www.fruitsandberries.com/

a.. Thornless
b.. 10 to 20 gallons of berries per plant
c.. (that's about 1 to 2 bushels per plant)
d.. Fruit is in large bunches with 40 to 100 berries
e.. All 50 states, zones 3-10
f.. Bears over a 4 to 6 week period
g.. Large, sweet, juicy berries.
h.. Is in the Agriculture Hall of Fame
i.. Doubles as an ornamental
j.. No disease reported ever!
The Doyle's Thornless BlackberryT is not new at all, ours is 40 =
years old, older than most Thornless blackberry plants sold today. The =
original plant is still producing gallons and gallons of sweet juicy =
berries!

There are many new Thornless blackberries on the market but =
there are none that compares with this one, not even one!

The other varieties only produce about 1 to 2 quarts per plant, =
but you already knew that, didn't you? Others cannot grow in all frost =
zones 3 to 10, but this one can and does. It is now growing in all 50 =
states and Canada. We have also sent plants to South America and Africa.

I did buy one, but I am in zone 10

--- On Mon 04/03, Pat Meadows < pat@MEADOWS.PAIR.COM > wrote:

We have a small lot too, somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of an
acre.

I think the blackberries are very iffy in Zone 4. We have
Zone 4 low temperatures in winter, we tried blackberries as
did a friend around the corner from us. No good. The roots
lived, but the fruit grows on the canes which grew the year
before, and they were all winter-killed.

So - unless you can get some blackberry plants guaranteed to
fruit in Zone 4 - I think they're a lost cause.

St. Lawrence Nursery might carry some adapted to Zone 4:
http://www.sln.potsdam.ny.us/

I didn't answer the fruit-growing question before: we grow
gooseberries, rhubarb and attempted blueberries (a deer ate
most of the blueberry bushes, however). We have given up on
blackberries and raspberries (see above about the
blackberries).

Raspberries will certainly be OK in Zone 4-ish winters, but
three sets of them have died here. We have terrible clay
soil and I think the raspberries just drowned in our heavy
wet clay.

The gooseberries and rhubarb are doing very well. We are
getting a substantial harvest of rhubarb each year now, and
a modest harvest of gooseberries. The plants are three or
four years old.

I'll also be growing ground cherries in the garden, and
melons in the hoophouse this year. And I grow strawberries
in containers.

Pat
--
Northern Pennsylvania

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism,
since it is the merger of state and corporate power."
- Benito Mussolini

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