Any suggestions on how to get rid of a bobcat? Now this requires animal
control or he may have to be killed. We have young kids here on a daily
basis & if the bob cats kills a child then it's us that gets sued! As for
the red bird the reason I want him removed or stopped is because he can
break his neck flying into the windows. I wasn't wanting him hurt I just
want him removed so he don't hurt himself.
Chuck Bullard
Bull3057@bellsouth.net
My heart belongs to Jesus he has never let me down.
Home Page
http://home.bellsouth.net/personalpages/PWP-chuck1963
Hi
Have you thought of moving into a city, where you're not bothered by pesky
stuff like nature?
Robin
Alexandria, VA
Bravo Jaime!
You've expressed my sentiments exactly and so much more eloquently than I
would have.
I've lived most of my life in rural areas and in 40 years have only seen
bobcat maybe 5 times and some of those sighting were so fleeting that they
may have been lynx.
Terry
E. WA. zone 4
Good Grief Chuck!!
WHY do you bring it up then? Just to rile everyone up?
Well IT'S WORKING - are YOU happy now??
Please, knock it off. (Not the bobcat)
Best intentions,
Geralyn
List: I apologize for the outburst. *sigh*
Chuck357 wrote:
I prefer to live outside the city limits thank you.
Chuck Bullard
Bull3057@bellsouth.net
My heart belongs to Jesus he has never let me down.
Home Page
http://home.bellsouth.net/personalpages/PWP-chuck1963
Hi
Have you thought of moving into a city, where you're not bothered by pesky
stuff like nature?
Robin
Alexandria, VA
chuck
I do not think you will have a problem with the Bob Cat. He doesn't want to
see you any more than you want him. I assume you have all the other
varmints we have, 'possums, raccoon, deer, squirrels, etc. They make much
easier prey than a human. We have an occasional bob cat . .even had a
neighbor find one of the seat of his truck when he left the window rolled
down one night. All the neighbor did was open the door and leave the truck
alone for a few minutes. But, he did not leave his windows rolled down any
more. At the very worst, the Bob Cat might be dangerous to small pets but
around here the coyotes are much more lethal to pets and livestock.
I think it is naive to assume that a pest control business has the ability
to remove your cardinal, unharmed, to another habitat. If they agree to
come get it, you will have a dead bird. Try some of these other things, the
light in the room sounds perfect. If you do trap that cardinal, I would be
glad to have it in SC.
Libba
I tried to restrain myself from answering this post, but I couldn't help
it. First of all, I don't know where you live but I (and many, many
people I know) would do almost anything to have a resident bobcat.
I'm more than a little surprise that you even saw it. Have you
actually seen it? Are you certain it is a bobcat? I am skeptical
because it is *really* rare for people to see bobcats. They are
among the most skittish, scared-of-people creatures in the entire
mammal kingdom. The are in the top 5, at least.
I will add to that, that the likelihood of a bobcat being around near
CHILDREN is 1 in billions. The only situation that would ever occur
is if it is injured ... even then, they will nearly always hide from
people, dogs, etc.
Now, let's just say for the hell of it, that it really is a bobcat. Have
you actually troubled yourself to learn anything about bobcats before
you (a) seriously contemplate killing it, (b) fear it will attack and hurt
children, dogs or even outdoor house cats, (c) called your local
Audubon Society or other such organization (even the state wildlife
folks) for suggestions?
It doesn't sound like it to me. Most bobcats are not much larger than
housecats, albeit large ones. Males are larger than females,
generally, their weight ranges from 14 to roughly 28 pounds ~ the
average cat being around 20 - 25 pounds. Male Main Coon cats
weigh between 18 and 28 pounds! They most often are between 24 -
36" from head to rear (not counting stumpy tail).
Bobcats are solitary until mating season, sticking to a small territory.
Should food sources become scarce, they will extend their range;
since they have pretty indiscriminating food preferences, it takes a
lot to move them. They lay up for the day on a log or rock or similar
warmish object and wait until food wanders by. They have to be
pressed to actively go hunting. Their primary diet is rabbits,
squirrels, rats, voles, moles, birds .... the things one expects a
serious-hunting cat to catch and feed on. They have been known to
go after cave bats.
Bobcats will, if circumstances are just right, snatch a chicken.
Those circumstances are: it is *really* hungry, there aren't any
people around & the entire area is quiet, the chickens are easy to
get at.
Bobcats do not attack anything until they are pushed into a corner
and forced to fight. They run. Bobcats do not attack children or
other humans. They don't even like to tangle with "domestic" cats
unless they are desperate.
If you thought that part was the lecture, you're wrong. That was the
educational segment. Here comes the lecture.
Living in the country or suburbs *demands* that we learn to coexist
with our non-human neighbors. We continue to press into
environments that had supported all manner of wildlife. Nature is
what it is and cannot, nor should it, be sterilized to suit each
person's likes and dislikes, tolerances or intolerances. If you don't
like (or are allergic to) bees & their relatives that's tough. Don't grow
the plants that attract them. Or go someplace where they won't. If
you can't find a way to live with bears, for god's sake, don't move into
bear territory. This ain't rocket science!!!
Every choice we make has positives and negatives, there are always
tradeoffs. Our responsibility, as reasonable humans, is to weigh the
plusses and minuses and base our decisions on that assessment.
That means we ACCEPT the downsides of the decision. You want
to live in the country ~ you get to live with wildlife. Frankly, I can't
imagine wanting to live in the country except to enjoy the wildlife
among the other positives. You don't get to pick which things live or
die in your little piece of the world. You aren't God, sir.
Figure out what is drawing the creature to your vicinity (food, shelter
or water) and remove it. It will leave. Children do NOT lure bobcats.
Based on your sig file, I'll remind you that we are ALL God's
creatures.
jaime
"Nature: it ain't always pretty, but it works!" -- jaime knoble
"In human society, thinking is the greatest transgression.
Critical thinking is the utmost subversion." -Philip Roth
We have seen the bob cat so we are 100% sure it's a bob cat. This is private
property so we may kill the bob cat to get rid of also bears have been
spotted in the area. I am not bound by man's laws I am bound by God's laws.
We have lived here over 30 years so we have the right to do what we want to
do on our property.
Chuck Bullard
Bull3057@bellsouth.net
My heart belongs to Jesus he has never let me down.
Home Page
http://home.bellsouth.net/personalpages/PWP-chuck1963
Griffith
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:06
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: OT Bob Cats!
chuck
I do not think you will have a problem with the Bob Cat. He doesn't want to
see you any more than you want him. I assume you have all the other
varmints we have, 'possums, raccoon, deer, squirrels, etc. They make much
easier prey than a human. We have an occasional bob cat . .even had a
neighbor find one of the seat of his truck when he left the window rolled
down one night. All the neighbor did was open the door and leave the truck
alone for a few minutes. But, he did not leave his windows rolled down any
more. At the very worst, the Bob Cat might be dangerous to small pets but
around here the coyotes are much more lethal to pets and livestock.
I think it is naive to assume that a pest control business has the ability
to remove your cardinal, unharmed, to another habitat. If they agree to
come get it, you will have a dead bird. Try some of these other things, the
light in the room sounds perfect. If you do trap that cardinal, I would be
glad to have it in SC.
Once upon a long ago day I was sitting in a deer stand that straddled a fence. Had an opening on
each side of the fence. Just before daylight a good sized tom bobcat jumped up in the blind and
crossed the fence. I saw him at about the same time he saw me and he went out one door and I went
out the other door. Both of us had our hackles standing up but I had no idea of shooting the old
boy. I just happened to be in what he considered a fence stile.
On another occasion I was in a tall blind and looked down to see a mother puma and three cubs lying
under the stand. You can bet I sat very still until they left. Neither cat was in any danger from me
as I only hunted stuff to eat back then and cat is not a favorite with me.
As a kid we had bobcats in our yard on numerous occasions and once we had a pair on the roof. I
won't say what they were doing but it included lots of yowling and scuffling. We stayed in the house
with the doors closed until they went away. Never even heard of one attacking humans although they
will jump a dog if startled. All told, in 62 years I've probably seen a dozen bobcats and three
pumas and was very cautious with all of them but only afraid of the pumas. Like Jaime I like to see
them at a distance.
George
jaime wrote:
There is a Mtn Lion on the mountain where I live, others have seen it. I
swear if I ever DO see that bad boy, I'll mess myself!!! LOL!!
Peg in Va (In beautiful Charlottesville at the foot of the Blue Ridge Mtns)
Amen!
for
Him, you do want to be careful of. You can admire him, but at long
distance. Put bells on everything and chimes or something else that
makes noise in the smallest breeze around your property. They do
tend to stay clear of people most of the time, but it's best to go into
that vicinity in pairs & make noise.
cheers!
jaime, who loves Mountain Lions ..... at a distance. ;-)
I think cougars and mtn lions are the same.
Okay folks...this is obviously one of those 'think before you post threads.'
Please keep your words on the polite side
...or keep those words on your side of the monitor.
Thank you,
Barb Dorsett dorsettm@scin.quik.com
active co-listowner for Gardens gardens-request@lsv.uky.edu
http://lsv.uky.edu/archives/gardens.html
http://www.scin.quik.com/dorsettm/notes.html
Here is a link with pictures of the major "cats":
http://enature.com/search/show_search_byShape.asp?curGroupID=5&shapeID=1027
Debbie in Williamsburg, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of
Arnhild Bleie
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:16 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: OT Bob Cats!
Is bobcat the same as I maybe would call Puma? .. or Mountain lion?
Chuck,
I know you probably don't think so but you are so lucky to have a bobcat!
Down here they are very rare. A friend of mine found one curled up in a
large planter one morning, sleeping on top of the herbs. Scared the life
outta both of them and the cat took off running.
been bragging to everyone since that he had a bobcat in his yard and we
have all been envious. We tend to cherish endangered critters on
Sanibel. Seriously, unless you are letting little babies crawl around in
the yard I don't think you have much to worry about. And unless you are
feeding it and it thereby loses its fear of man, it is more scared of you
than anything else. In much of FL we live with alligators and you just
have to use common sense. The only danger we have is when people
(usually tourists) think it's fun to feed an alligator. Those are the
ones that become dangerous and unfortunately have to be destroyed.
Karen (Pittsburgh, PA zone 5b/6) now in Sanibel, zone 10
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Chuck,
God created the bobcats too. While in the Bible God gave man the right
to kill animals for food and clothing needs, I'm personally not so sure
his intention was for us to kill off animals that are bothering us by
coming in our yards but not actually doing us any harm. I look forward
to the time mentioned in Isaiah 11 when man will live at peace with the
animals, and I try to tolerate all the critters that visit me now, even
when they munch on my garden.
live-trapped and relocated a few raccoons - which didn't do any good
anyway.
Karen (Pittsburgh, PA zone 5b/6) now in Sanibel, zone 10
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:25:26 -0500 Chuck357
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BRAVO!!!! Very good, Jaime.
Glenn
I tried to restrain myself from answering this post, but I couldn't help
it. First of all, I don't know where you live but I (and many, many
people I know) would do almost anything to have a resident bobcat.
I'm more than a little surprise that you even saw it. Have you
actually seen it? Are you certain it is a bobcat? I am skeptical
because it is *really* rare for people to see bobcats. They are
among the most skittish, scared-of-people creatures in the entire
mammal kingdom. The are in the top 5, at least.
I will add to that, that the likelihood of a bobcat being around near
CHILDREN is 1 in billions. The only situation that would ever occur
is if it is injured ... even then, they will nearly always hide from
people, dogs, etc.
Now, let's just say for the hell of it, that it really is a bobcat. Have
you actually troubled yourself to learn anything about bobcats before
you (a) seriously contemplate killing it, (b) fear it will attack and hurt
children, dogs or even outdoor house cats, (c) called your local
Audubon Society or other such organization (even the state wildlife
folks) for suggestions?
It doesn't sound like it to me. Most bobcats are not much larger than
housecats, albeit large ones. Males are larger than females,
generally, their weight ranges from 14 to roughly 28 pounds ~ the
average cat being around 20 - 25 pounds. Male Main Coon cats
weigh between 18 and 28 pounds! They most often are between 24 -
36" from head to rear (not counting stumpy tail).
Bobcats are solitary until mating season, sticking to a small territory.
Should food sources become scarce, they will extend their range;
since they have pretty indiscriminating food preferences, it takes a
lot to move them. They lay up for the day on a log or rock or similar
warmish object and wait until food wanders by. They have to be
pressed to actively go hunting. Their primary diet is rabbits,
squirrels, rats, voles, moles, birds .... the things one expects a
serious-hunting cat to catch and feed on. They have been known to
go after cave bats.
Bobcats will, if circumstances are just right, snatch a chicken.
Those circumstances are: it is *really* hungry, there aren't any
people around & the entire area is quiet, the chickens are easy to
get at.
Bobcats do not attack anything until they are pushed into a corner
and forced to fight. They run. Bobcats do not attack children or
other humans. They don't even like to tangle with "domestic" cats
unless they are desperate.
If you thought that part was the lecture, you're wrong. That was the
educational segment. Here comes the lecture.
Living in the country or suburbs *demands* that we learn to coexist
with our non-human neighbors. We continue to press into
environments that had supported all manner of wildlife. Nature is
what it is and cannot, nor should it, be sterilized to suit each
person's likes and dislikes, tolerances or intolerances. If you don't
like (or are allergic to) bees & their relatives that's tough. Don't grow
the plants that attract them. Or go someplace where they won't. If
you can't find a way to live with bears, for god's sake, don't move into
bear territory. This ain't rocket science!!!
Every choice we make has positives and negatives, there are always
tradeoffs. Our responsibility, as reasonable humans, is to weigh the
plusses and minuses and base our decisions on that assessment.
That means we ACCEPT the downsides of the decision. You want
to live in the country ~ you get to live with wildlife. Frankly, I can't
imagine wanting to live in the country except to enjoy the wildlife
among the other positives. You don't get to pick which things live or
die in your little piece of the world. You aren't God, sir.
Figure out what is drawing the creature to your vicinity (food, shelter
or water) and remove it. It will leave. Children do NOT lure bobcats.
Based on your sig file, I'll remind you that we are ALL God's
creatures.
jaime
"Nature: it ain't always pretty, but it works!" -- jaime knoble
Is bobcat the same as I maybe would call Puma? .. or Mountain lion?
> Here is a link with pictures of the major "cats":
Thank you .. oh now I think it is the same as one of our 'cats' and I think
they are very beautiful! I found a really nice site with our norwegian cat
that are called gaupe in norwegian (Lynx lynx in latin) .. and that site is
in norwegian, but there is a slide show going on there with different
picture of it and baby cat .. and wow! she is SO cute!
We have it all over Norway .. and it is of no danger for man - never heard
about it here. Just relax to Chuck or anyone - no danger :)
Arnhild
Agreed! Bravo! Amen! Right-on! et al.....
karen, nj
Have
> you actually troubled yourself to learn anything about bobcats before
> you (a) seriously contemplate killing it, (b) fear it will attack and
hurt
grow
can't
animal
> control or he may have to be killed. We have young kids here on a
daily
> basis & if the bob cats kills a child then it's us that gets sued! As
> for
> the red bird the reason I want him removed or stopped is because he
can
> break his neck flying into the windows. I wasn't wanting him hurt I
just
