There must be an epidemic here. Just this morning we discovered that ou=
r
13 yo cat has been using the bathroom on my son's clothes at night. He h=
as
been shutting his bedroom door so she couldn't get to the litterbox. I'm
just hoping washing the clothes in warm water will get the smell out.=0D
=0D
Patti=0D
=0D
=0D
Hi Folks=0D
=0D
Speaking of cats (and apologies in advance for perpetuating multiple=0D
OT discussions), I'm also having a problem with a cat using the bathroom=0D
where it's not supposed to. Only it's my cat, and it's in the house!=0D
This is a 16-year-old, strictly indoor cat (has been since we got her whe=
n=0D
she was about 6 months old). She has gotten into the habit of using the=0D
carpet=0D
instead of the litter box (this is mostly peeing, but she has also=0D
pooped a couple times). We closed off the first room where she was doing=
=0D
it but now she is using the bedroom (same spot every time). By the time =
we=0D
figured it out it seemed to have become a habit.=0D
=0D
So I have two questions: Any suggestions for cleaning/deodorizing? (I'v=
e=0D
had some success with Febreze but not complete -- I suspect it's soaked i=
n=0D
too much?). And any suggestions for dealing with the behavior? I caught=
=0D
her this morning sniffing around the area so I picked her up and carried=0D
her into the bathroom where the litter box is and she promptly used it.=0D
(My understanding is that punishment doesn't work so I haven't tried that=
=2E)
I closed off the bedroom but I worry that she'll just find another spot.=0D
Any suggestions much appreciated!=0D
=0D
Cheers=0D
Lynne Orr=0D
Rochester NY, zone 6
Hi Folks
Speaking of cats (and apologies in advance for perpetuating multiple
OT discussions), I'm also having a problem with a cat using the bathroom
where it's not supposed to. Only it's my cat, and it's in the house!
This is a 16-year-old, strictly indoor cat (has been since we got her when
she was about 6 months old). She has gotten into the habit of using the carpet
instead of the litter box (this is mostly peeing, but she has also
pooped a couple times). We closed off the first room where she was doing
it but now she is using the bedroom (same spot every time). By the time we
figured it out it seemed to have become a habit.
So I have two questions: Any suggestions for cleaning/deodorizing? (I've
had some success with Febreze but not complete -- I suspect it's soaked in
too much?). And any suggestions for dealing with the behavior? I caught
her this morning sniffing around the area so I picked her up and carried
her into the bathroom where the litter box is and she promptly used it.
(My understanding is that punishment doesn't work so I haven't tried that.)
I closed off the bedroom but I worry that she'll just find another spot.
Any suggestions much appreciated!
Cheers
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
Thanks for the advice. I just added it to the wash cycle. It was about =
1/2
way through. If I can still smell it, I'll run it again, then I thought =
I'd
be sure to hang all the clothes out.=0D
=0D
I'm sure her problem is just that she couldn't get to the box. The funny
thing is that now our dog is acting odd. He sleeps in a crate at night a=
nd
is just laying in there with the door open. He's an aussie so very
sensitive.=0D
=0D
Patti =0D
=0D
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=0D
From: Gardens & Gardening=0D
Date: 06/11/04 09:37:35=0D
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU=0D
Subject: Re: cat behavior=0D
=0D
two tablespoons of real vanilla extract in the load of laundry will take =
the
smell out.=0D
=0D
Brandy.=0D
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our=0D
> 13 yo cat has been using the bathroom on my son's clothes at night. He
has=0D
> been shutting his bedroom door so she couldn't get to the litterbox. I=
'm=0D
m=0D
> =0D
> where it's not supposed to. Only it's my cat, and it's in the house!=0D
> =0D
> This is a 16-year-old, strictly indoor cat (has been since we got her w=
hen=0D
> =0D
> she was about 6 months old). She has gotten into the habit of using th=
e=0D
ng=0D
> =0D
> it but now she is using the bedroom (same spot every time). By the tim=
e
we=0D
've=0D
> =0D
> had some success with Febreze but not complete -- I suspect it's soaked=
in=0D
> =0D
> too much?). And any suggestions for dealing with the behavior? I caug=
ht=0D
> =0D
> her this morning sniffing around the area so I picked her up and carrie=
d=0D
> =0D
> her into the bathroom where the litter box is and she promptly used it.=
=0D
> =0D
> (My understanding is that punishment doesn't work so I haven't tried th=
at
)=0D
> =0D
> I closed off the bedroom but I worry that she'll just find another spot=
=2E
As others have mentioned, check that she doesn't have UTI. Also, as
cats age, they have a tendency to do this. My friend's cat did the
same. No UTI, but just seemed to become ornery about using litter box.
My friend eventually had to put the cat down when it started using her
bed as a litter box.
Brenda
Lynne H. Orr wrote:
He is probably afraid he will be the one scolded for making the mess. My dog, Chipper did that some time when little Mandy would piddle in the wrong places.
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Thanks for the advice. I just added it to the wash cycle. It was about 1/2 way through. If I can still smell it, I'll run it again, then I thought I'd be sure to hang all the clothes out.
I'm sure her problem is just that she couldn't get to the box. The funny thing is that now our dog is acting odd. He sleeps in a crate at night and is just laying in there with the door open. He's an aussie so very sensitive.
Patti
Hi Lynn, if you haven't already, have her checked for kidney or other =
health
problems. It's a classic symptom of kidney problems.
Also, other cats around? When Sweet Kitty's kidneys started to fail,
Winston started these behaviors, too. Once she passed away the problem =
did,
too.
Good luck,
Esther
Lynne H.
Orr
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:17 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: OT: cat behavior
Hi Folks
Speaking of cats (and apologies in advance for perpetuating multiple
OT discussions), I'm also having a problem with a cat using the bathroom
where it's not supposed to. Only it's my cat, and it's in the house!
This is a 16-year-old, strictly indoor cat (has been since we got her =
when
she was about 6 months old). She has gotten into the habit of using the
carpet
instead of the litter box (this is mostly peeing, but she has also
pooped a couple times). We closed off the first room where she was =
doing
it but now she is using the bedroom (same spot every time). By the time =
we
figured it out it seemed to have become a habit.
So I have two questions: Any suggestions for cleaning/deodorizing? =
(I've
had some success with Febreze but not complete -- I suspect it's soaked =
in
too much?). And any suggestions for dealing with the behavior? I =
caught
her this morning sniffing around the area so I picked her up and carried
her into the bathroom where the litter box is and she promptly used it.
(My understanding is that punishment doesn't work so I haven't tried =
that.)
I closed off the bedroom but I worry that she'll just find another spot.
Any suggestions much appreciated!
Cheers
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
Poor sweetie. Neither are being scolded. Ozark couldn't help it if she =
was
in the room with the door closed and he was just minding his own business=
=2E
I've tried tummy rubs, petting him, nothing is helping. He usually follo=
ws
me everywhere!=0D
=0D
Patti =0D
=0D
-------Original Message-------=0D
=0D
From: Gardens & Gardening=0D
Date: 06/11/04 10:00:01=0D
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU=0D
Subject: Re: cat behavior=0D
=0D
He is probably afraid he will be the one scolded for making the mess. My
dog, Chipper did that some time when little Mandy would piddle in the wro=
ng
places.=0D
=0D
--=0D
Chat with you later,=0D
Alan=0D
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http://www.GardenersCorner.com=0D
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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:45 AM=0D
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU=0D
Subject: Re: cat behavior=0D
=0D
=0D
Thanks for the advice. I just added it to the wash cycle. It was about =
1/2
way through. If I can still smell it, I'll run it again, then I thought =
I'd
be sure to hang all the clothes out.=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
I'm sure her problem is just that she couldn't get to the box. The funny
thing is that now our dog is acting odd. He sleeps in a crate at night a=
nd
is just laying in there with the door open. He's an aussie so very
sensitive.=0D
=0D
=0D
=0D
Patti
First, you need to be sure she doesn't have a physical reaon for doing
this, such as a UTI. Cats are notorious for using this method for
letting you know they're sick.
After illness is ruled out, make sure you're keeping the litter box
clean enough; cats are very picky creatures ;-) Have you changed litter?
Cats are also notorious for resisting change ;-)
Next, to treat the carpet, get some enzymatic cleaner like Simple
Solution or Nature's Remedy. You can get that at pet stores or from your
vet. I also think I've seen it at Wal*Mart. This will get rid of the
urine odor (that keeps them coming back to the same place) completely.
Febreeze is only a deoderizer and won't work. You're right about not
using punishment. By the time you find it and punish her, she's
forgotten and has no idea what you're punishing her for. I do employ
squirt guns to discourage bad bahavior on occasion, though.
If you're able to do it, take her to the clean litter box several times
a day to remind her that *this* is the place she's to use. Another thing
that works to retrain a cat is to close her up in a room (smaller space)
with bedding, food, water, and litter box. This might take a while to
accomplish. Since she's an older cat, she's getting arthritis. Is the
litter box on the same level of the house that she stays on? In other
words, does she have to go up or down stairs to use the box? If so, try
moving it so she doesn't have to. Another thing, getting another box
might help. Conventional wisdom says to have one box for every cat plus
one, so they always have a clean one to use. I only have 7 boxes for 9
cats, but DH is retired and is home most of the time and scoops often ;-)
HTH,
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7 who has BTDT
Lynne H. Orr wrote:
Don't get me started Barbara ;)
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It's just that that happens more than you know. Getting rid of a pet (especially one who's been a loving companion for years) because they've become "inconvenient" makes my blood boil.
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Brenda Pink wrote:
Sorry Barbara...it was more a comment that it may be something that
comes with age. Sometimes a change in food to a UTI formula will work too.
Didn't mean to upset you!
Brenda
Barbara Anders wrote:
This is a level of transition we all have to meet up with. At what point do we determine the dogs best interest. At what part of their life are they suffering. It is so hard.
With my Sheltie Happy, and with Sandy, it was easy. They both had a stroke and passed on while I was away from the house.
With Mandy it was a tough decision, because she was such a gem of a girl, a little angel, but she was loosing use of her back legs, the drugs were making her unable to control her bowel movements, and surgery was just as likely to be unsuccessful as it was successful. It broke my heart putting her to sleep, but deep in my heart I knew it was the right thing to do for her. To no longer suffer pain so bad that it made her back legs not work.
When they put her to sleep, and the first thing I heard was a deep sigh, as if finally the pain was gone, and she could relax. She looked up at me with a smile on her face, so strange looking back on it, as if to say, think you for taking away the pain. Then she was gone. I miss her so. My little girl who loved to take naps on my chest. One day I will have another little girl yorkie, as cute and sweet as her, but not her.
Chip is getting very old, 14 now. The trip to Colorado was hard on him. For the first thee days afterward, he had trouble breathing and couldn't keep his food down. I think it may have been altitude issues, but not certain. Finally we started fixing him hamburger and rice, and he perked right up, and was fine. He also handled the trip home fine. Seemed to be quite happy to be back in his own home again...but who isn't? Chip is my knight in shining armor, my soul mate I've been told by a median. I hope like my other shelties, he just goes to sleep and does not wake up. It's so much easier this way.
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I know what you mean, and I sort of agree. However, I'd much rather see a pet put down than neglected or possibly abused because they have become inconvenient. I'd much prefer that they find a new home for the pet, but if not, euthanasia is preferrable to the alternative. And I certainly don't mean in your situation, but I've seen so many forgotten pets - dogs tied up in yards, etc, that makes me so sad.
Here's hoping your cat "just' has a UTI because that's treatable!
Brenda
Have the vet check her out to see if it's a physical problem causing this
change in behavior.
Lee Ann
Hi Folks
Speaking of cats (and apologies in advance for perpetuating multiple
OT discussions), I'm also having a problem with a cat using the bathroom
where it's not supposed to. Only it's my cat, and it's in the house!
This is a 16-year-old, strictly indoor cat (has been since we got her when
she was about 6 months old). She has gotten into the habit of using the
carpet
instead of the litter box (this is mostly peeing, but she has also
pooped a couple times). We closed off the first room where she was doing
it but now she is using the bedroom (same spot every time). By the time we
figured it out it seemed to have become a habit.
So I have two questions: Any suggestions for cleaning/deodorizing? (I've
had some success with Febreze but not complete -- I suspect it's soaked in
too much?). And any suggestions for dealing with the behavior? I caught
her this morning sniffing around the area so I picked her up and carried
her into the bathroom where the litter box is and she promptly used it.
(My understanding is that punishment doesn't work so I haven't tried that.)
I closed off the bedroom but I worry that she'll just find another spot.
Any suggestions much appreciated!
Cheers
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
Hehehe...I'll have what Barb's having, maybe next time we better pick up a gallon ;)
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Actually I do have some of that, too. Not in the gallon size, though ;-)
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Brenda Pink wrote:
It's not that she took the easy way out. She'd had it to the vets and
everything. It was an older cat and she (my friend) just couldn't
handle the messes anymore. Believe me, she was VERY upset at having to
do that.
Brenda
SueNY wrote:
I just picked some up and they said to put it on the clothes too=0D
Patti =0D
=0D
-------Original Message-------=0D
=0D
From: Gardens & Gardening=0D
Date: 06/11/04 11:26:09=0D
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU=0D
Subject: Re: cat behavior=0D
=0D
That's IT!! Nature's Miracle!! Earlier I wrote Nature's Remedy. I knew=0D
it didn't sound right but couldn't think of it! Thanks!=0D
=0D
SueNY wrote:=0D
=0D
> =0D
> To clean, go to the pet store and get some Nature's Miracle. It will
remove the stain and smell.=0D
I know what you mean, and I sort of agree. However, I'd much rather see
a pet put down than neglected or possibly abused because they have
become inconvenient. I'd much prefer that they find a new home for the
pet, but if not, euthanasia is preferrable to the alternative. And I
certainly don't mean in your situation, but I've seen so many forgotten
pets - dogs tied up in yards, etc, that makes me so sad.
Here's hoping your cat "just' has a UTI because that's treatable!
Brenda
Barbara Anders wrote:
ha-ha, Nature's remedy is the stuff you take for constipation! Don't
think that would help :)
Brenda
Barbara Anders wrote:
I really wish you had left that part off.
Brenda Pink wrote:
I'm assuming you guys mean Nature's Miracle and not Nature's Remedy! :0
Brenda
- who's watching the Monterey Bay shark cam right now.
Barbara Anders wrote:
Not the same thing at all if she couldn't get to her litter box. Sounds
like she did the best she could.
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Patti wrote:
Oops! My mistake!
Brenda
- who's going senile
Barbara Anders wrote:
You need to take the cat to the vet. She may have a Urinary Tract =
Infection-and older cats are prone to kidney problems.
If physical problems are ruled out, take a look at the environment. Have =
you changed to a new kind of litter lately? Is the box being cleaned =
regularly? Has it been moved? Finally, given her age, it's possible her =
sight is failing and she can't easily find the box anymore, or she may =
be going senile (yes it happens to cats too).
To clean, go to the pet store and get some Nature's Miracle. It will =
remove the stain and smell. Hope this helps!
Sue-cat mom to 3
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynne H. Orr"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 9:17 AM
Subject: OT: cat behavior
Hi Folks
Speaking of cats (and apologies in advance for perpetuating multiple
OT discussions), I'm also having a problem with a cat using the =
bathroom
where it's not supposed to. Only it's my cat, and it's in the house!
This is a 16-year-old, strictly indoor cat (has been since we got her =
when
she was about 6 months old). She has gotten into the habit of using =
the
carpet
instead of the litter box (this is mostly peeing, but she has also
pooped a couple times). We closed off the first room where she was =
doing
it but now she is using the bedroom (same spot every time). By the =
time we
figured it out it seemed to have become a habit.
So I have two questions: Any suggestions for cleaning/deodorizing? =
(I've
had some success with Febreze but not complete -- I suspect it's =
soaked in
too much?). And any suggestions for dealing with the behavior? I =
caught
her this morning sniffing around the area so I picked her up and =
carried
her into the bathroom where the litter box is and she promptly used =
it.
(My understanding is that punishment doesn't work so I haven't tried =
that.)
I closed off the bedroom but I worry that she'll just find another =
spot.
Any suggestions much appreciated!
Cheers
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
How sad to kill the poor cat just because it was having elimination =
issues-especially when there were much better alternatives. Almost all =
cats that stop using the litter box due so for a specific reason, not to =
piss off their owners.
It's sad your friend took the easy way out. Poor kitty. :-(
SueNY
----- Original Message -----
From: Brenda Pink
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: OT: cat behavior
As others have mentioned, check that she doesn't have UTI. Also, as
cats age, they have a tendency to do this. My friend's cat did the
same. No UTI, but just seemed to become ornery about using litter =
box.
My friend eventually had to put the cat down when it started using her
bed as a litter box.
Brenda
Lynne H. Orr wrote:
> Hi Folks
> Speaking of cats (and apologies in advance for perpetuating multiple
> OT discussions), I'm also having a problem with a cat using the =
bathroom
> where it's not supposed to. Only it's my cat, and it's in the house!
> This is a 16-year-old, strictly indoor cat (has been since we got her =
when
> she was about 6 months old). She has gotten into the habit of using =
the carpet
> instead of the litter box (this is mostly peeing, but she has also
> pooped a couple times). We closed off the first room where she was =
doing
> it but now she is using the bedroom (same spot every time). By the =
time we
> figured it out it seemed to have become a habit.
> So I have two questions: Any suggestions for cleaning/deodorizing? =
(I've
> had some success with Febreze but not complete -- I suspect it's =
soaked in
> too much?). And any suggestions for dealing with the behavior? I =
caught
> her this morning sniffing around the area so I picked her up and =
carried
> her into the bathroom where the litter box is and she promptly used =
it.
> (My understanding is that punishment doesn't work so I haven't tried =
that.)
> I closed off the bedroom but I worry that she'll just find another =
spot.
> Any suggestions much appreciated!
> Cheers
> Lynne Orr
> Rochester NY, zone 6
The smell should come out. Check before you put them in the dryer. If =
it's still there try washing again and add a couple tablespoons of white =
vinegar to the water.
SueNY
> From: Patti
> Date: 2004/06/11 Fri PM 04:00:10 GMT
> To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
> Subject: Re: cat behavior
> There must be an epidemic here. Just this morning we discovered =
that our
> 13 yo cat has been using the bathroom on my son's clothes at night. =
He has
> been shutting his bedroom door so she couldn't get to the litterbox. =
I'm
> just hoping washing the clothes in warm water will get the smell =
out.
> Patti
> Hi Folks
> Speaking of cats (and apologies in advance for perpetuating multiple
> OT discussions), I'm also having a problem with a cat using the =
bathroom
> where it's not supposed to. Only it's my cat, and it's in the =
house!
> This is a 16-year-old, strictly indoor cat (has been since we got =
her when
> she was about 6 months old). She has gotten into the habit of using =
the
> carpet
> instead of the litter box (this is mostly peeing, but she has also
> pooped a couple times). We closed off the first room where she was =
doing
> it but now she is using the bedroom (same spot every time). By the =
time we
> figured it out it seemed to have become a habit.
> So I have two questions: Any suggestions for cleaning/deodorizing? =
(I've
> had some success with Febreze but not complete -- I suspect it's =
soaked in
> too much?). And any suggestions for dealing with the behavior? I =
caught
> her this morning sniffing around the area so I picked her up and =
carried
> her into the bathroom where the litter box is and she promptly used =
it.
> (My understanding is that punishment doesn't work so I haven't tried =
that.)
> I closed off the bedroom but I worry that she'll just find another =
spot.
> Any suggestions much appreciated!
> Cheers
> Lynne Orr
> Rochester NY, zone 6
Fri, Jun 11, 2004 1:56 PM sue.nyc@ATT.NET SueNY said:
> You need to take the cat to the vet. She may have a Urinary Tract
> Infection-and older cats are prone to kidney problems.
Einstein, about 8, had bladder stones and the vet said that unless they
were removed he may become less careful with his bathroom habits. The vet
opened him up. removed the stones, scraped the inside of the bladder and
put him back together again. We are keeping our fingers crossed for the
future.
It's just that that happens more than you know. Getting rid of a pet
(especially one who's been a loving companion for years) because they've
become "inconvenient" makes my blood boil.
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Brenda Pink wrote:
That's IT!! Nature's Miracle!! Earlier I wrote Nature's Remedy. I knew
it didn't sound right but couldn't think of it! Thanks!
SueNY wrote:
I buy it by the gallon.
That's IT!! Nature's Miracle!! Earlier I wrote Nature's Remedy. I knew
it didn't sound right but couldn't think of it! Thanks!
SueNY wrote:
> To clean, go to the pet store and get some Nature's Miracle. It will
remove the stain and smell.
LOL, I've been know to invest in a bit if it myself ;-)
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Lee Ann Reiners wrote:
Aw, go on, Alan, get started ;-)
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Zelhart Alan-rpcs30 wrote:
It came in handy during my dog Mindy's final months. Worked well enough to
satisfy even Charlie's discerning nose.
lar
LOL, I've been know to invest in a bit if it myself ;-)
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Lee Ann Reiners wrote:
I agree, Barbara. Makes mine boil too. I have three cats. Two stayed =
behind with my parents when I left home (they are old and I didn't think =
they could handle a 300+ mile move from the only home they've ever known =
to a small apartment in NYC)The cat I adopted after I moved, a lovely 4 =
year old brown tabby, was dumped at a shelter by his former owner =
because he didn't "go" with her furniture! As if he was some sort of =
decorative item! Well it's her loss-he is a wonderful kitty!
SueNY
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Anders
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: OT: cat behavior
It's just that that happens more than you know. Getting rid of a pet
(especially one who's been a loving companion for years) because =
they've
become "inconvenient" makes my blood boil.
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Along the same lines, I try to look at it as the pet had a good home for its
lifetime. Even though its end might be premature and for improper reasons,
at least that's some consolation.
lar
I know what you mean, and I sort of agree. However, I'd much rather see
a pet put down than neglected or possibly abused because they have
become inconvenient. I'd much prefer that they find a new home for the
pet, but if not, euthanasia is preferrable to the alternative. And I
certainly don't mean in your situation, but I've seen so many forgotten
pets - dogs tied up in yards, etc, that makes me so sad.
Here's hoping your cat "just' has a UTI because that's treatable!
Brenda
It's not my cat that's having the litter box issues. IIRC, it's Lynne.
All of mine were okeydokey when I left them this morning :)
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7 hoping they stay that way!
Brenda Pink wrote:
What pretty cats, and what a beautiful garden you have to sit in and drink your beverage of choice ;) I'm opting for a margarita! :) Barb, maybe you outta make that two big bottles ;)
--
Chat with you later,
Alan
--
Chandler, Arizona Sunset Zone: 13
http://www.GardenersCorner.com
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Check out the new houseplants section:
http://www.gardenerscorner.com/HousePlants.html
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Alan Zelhart
GardenGuy@GardenersCorner.com
-----
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Okay, I know I'm getting carried away, but I couldn't resist posting cat photos (and one garden photo) on the web. The url is http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~orr/cats.html
and be warned it may be a tiny bit slow loading.
First picture is me and my cats Natasha (almost 16) and Boris (almost 8). I'm not giving my age. (I gave it years ago when we did a Gardens survey but I'm banking that nobody remembers!) That's the couch I got to go with the cats. Taken a couple months ago.
Second photo is Boris on the left and Natasha on the right, taken a couple years ago. (still have the ratty futon, though)
Third photo is part of my back yard, in May 2002 (most recent one I had handy on the computer). I picked it because it shows the fence, so it's relevant to an actual garden discussion! It's wood, built by the previous owner of my house. DH and I repainted (actually it was white stain I think) maybe the year before (don't remember for sure). Makes a good neighbor fence in fact. Tall (maybe 6 feet, maybe just under that), but not completely opaque so you can choose to visit or not.
Cheers
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
You're welcome. :-)
SueNY
----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Anders
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: cat behavior
That's IT!! Nature's Miracle!! Earlier I wrote Nature's Remedy. I knew
it didn't sound right but couldn't think of it! Thanks!
SueNY wrote:
> To clean, go to the pet store and get some Nature's Miracle. It =
will remove the stain and smell.
I've heard this one before. I'm glad you got him, Sue. At least she took
him to a shelter, where he had a chance of being adopted, instead of
dumping him outside.
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
SueNY wrote:
Actually I do have some of that, too. Not in the gallon size, though ;-)
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Brenda Pink wrote:
Thanks so much, everybody, for your help with my cat problem! I feel
better just hearing from so many sympathetic people. I think I can rule
out a couple of the simple possibilities -- like cleanliness of the litter
box, and I haven't changed litter. (I did recently put one of those
solid air fresheners above the litter box, which has never been a
problem before, but seems to be a possibility. Hmm...) I discussed
the problem with my vet on the phone, and he also suggested that I have
her checked out for UT problems, so we have an appointment. Meanwhile
I've added another litter box and will buy some Nature's Miracle and
hope for the best... (Kinda sad, vet also mentioned the possibility of
senility, or as DH said, ``maybe she's just getting old and batty''.)
Sad that somebody gave up their cat because of a mismatch with the
furniture. The they would care more aobut the furniture than the cat is
inconceivable to me. I bought furniture to match my cats :)
Cheers, and have a good weekend everybody,
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
two tablespoons of real vanilla extract in the load of laundry will take the smell out.
Brandy.
I had a shed built to match my horse.
Sad that somebody gave up their cat because of a mismatch with the
furniture. The they would care more aobut the furniture than the cat is
inconceivable to me. I bought furniture to match my cats :)
Cheers, and have a good weekend everybody,
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
I rescue chows and pitbulls, but it seems recently I've been rescuing
anything with four legs.
I found a whole pasture full of starving beef cattle and "TRIED"
unsuccessfully to find someone in Arkansas that could do something about
them. All that I ended up doing is getting lots of hate mail and phone
calls telling me to mind my own business if I knew what was good for me.
There are lots of pitbull fighting rings and lots and lots of puppymills in
the area too.
I've been in rescue for 22 years and I thought nothing could surprise me,
but when I called everyone (sheriff, veterinarian, state house, court house,
humane societies) everyone said "We don't have anybody that investigates
animal abuse. You'll have to find out who owns them and confront him
yourself."
Marcia
a little bit smarter in Arkansas
Okay, I know I'm getting carried away, but I couldn't resist posting cat
photos (and one garden photo) on the web. The url is
http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~orr/cats.html
and be warned it may be a tiny bit slow loading.
First picture is me and my cats Natasha (almost 16) and Boris (almost 8).
I'm not giving my age. (I gave it years ago when we did a Gardens survey
but I'm banking that nobody remembers!) That's the couch I got to go with
the cats. Taken a couple months ago.
Second photo is Boris on the left and Natasha on the right, taken a couple
years ago. (still have the ratty futon, though)
Third photo is part of my back yard, in May 2002 (most recent one I had
handy on the computer). I picked it because it shows the fence, so it's
relevant to an actual garden discussion! It's wood, built by the previous
owner of my house. DH and I repainted (actually it was white stain I think)
maybe the year before (don't remember for sure). Makes a good neighbor fence
in fact. Tall (maybe 6 feet, maybe just under that), but not completely
opaque so you can choose to visit or not.
Cheers
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
Patti - I can guarantee that just washing won't get the cat pee smell
out. Go to KMart, Walmart or a Animal Feed Store and
get a bottle of Simple Solution. It is a concentrated liquid you add to
the washwater that will completely eliminate the smell.
You can use the stuff on rugs or other areas that you don't want cat pee
smell - Jenny
_________________________________________________________________________________
Patti wrote:
> What pretty cats, and what a beautiful garden you have to sit in and drink your
> beverage of choice ;) I'm opting for a margarita! :) Barb, maybe you outta mak
> e that two big bottles ;)
Thanks, Alan! Most of the garden design was done by the previous owner, but
I've been there 11 years now so I take credit for it not going completely
to pot (just ignore the bare patches in the sweet woodruff and weeds
between the bricks, etc...). As for beverage, I'm more a beer kind of gal
myself.
Cheers
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
I buy clothing, furniture, blankets, everything with my kitties in mind! We
have 2 Siamese and one multi-colored "who knows what" kitty. The Polartec
throws are camel colored. Our new couch is medium tan. The fur's still
there, but it doesn't show up nearly as much!! :)
Elizabeth
tiarella@bellsouth.net
Zone 6, KY
Hey, I'm ready folks! The first week back to work after a long
vacation is always, always the hardest. I need to chill now. :)
--
Chat with you later,
Alan
--
Chandler, Arizona Sunset Zone: 13
http://www.GardenersCorner.com
-----
Check out the new houseplants section:
http://www.gardenerscorner.com/HousePlants.html
-----
Alan Zelhart
GardenGuy@GardenersCorner.com
-----
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> What pretty cats, and what a beautiful garden you have to sit in and
drink your beverage of choice ;) I'm opting for a margarita! :) Barb,
maybe you outta make that two big bottles ;)
Lynne H. Orr
cat photos (and one garden photo) on the web. The url is
http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~orr/cats.html
> and be warned it may be a tiny bit slow loading.
> First picture is me and my cats Natasha (almost 16) and Boris (almost
8). I'm not giving my age. (I gave it years ago when we did a Gardens
survey but I'm banking that nobody remembers!) That's the couch I got
to go with the cats. Taken a couple months ago.
> Second photo is Boris on the left and Natasha on the right, taken a
couple years ago. (still have the ratty futon, though)
> Third photo is part of my back yard, in May 2002 (most recent one I
had handy on the computer). I picked it because it shows the fence, so
it's relevant to an actual garden discussion! It's wood, built by the
previous owner of my house. DH and I repainted (actually it was white
stain I think) maybe the year before (don't remember for sure). Makes
a good neighbor fence in fact. Tall (maybe 6 feet, maybe just under
that), but not completely opaque so you can choose to visit or not.
--
Hey, I like beer too! ;) Lately I've been drinking those Michelobe
Ultra's. May not be quite as tasty as a good ole draft beer, but lots
less calories, and probably better for me. 3 is about my limit though,
on a weekend night.
--
Chat with you later,
Alan
--
Chandler, Arizona Sunset Zone: 13
http://www.GardenersCorner.com
-----
Check out the new houseplants section:
http://www.gardenerscorner.com/HousePlants.html
-----
Alan Zelhart
GardenGuy@GardenersCorner.com
-----
***** Waiter, there's no fly in my soup! - Kermit
> What pretty cats, and what a beautiful garden you have to sit in
and drink your
> beverage of choice ;) I'm opting for a margarita! :) Barb, maybe
you outta mak
> e that two big bottles ;)
> Thanks, Alan! Most of the garden design was done by the previous
owner, but
> I've been there 11 years now so I take credit for it not going
completely
> to pot (just ignore the bare patches in the sweet woodruff and weeds
> between the bricks, etc...). As for beverage, I'm more a beer kind
of gal
--
Great pics! Here's my indoor garden:
http://home.att.net/~suenyc2
My cat can be seen in the upper left hand corner. :-)
SueNY
----- Original Message -----
From: Lynne H. Orr
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: OT: cat behavior
Okay, I know I'm getting carried away, but I couldn't resist posting =
cat
photos (and one garden photo) on the web. The url is
http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~orr/cats.html
and be warned it may be a tiny bit slow loading.
First picture is me and my cats Natasha (almost 16) and Boris (almost =
8).
I'm not giving my age. (I gave it years ago when we did a Gardens =
survey
but I'm banking that nobody remembers!) That's the couch I got to go =
with
the cats. Taken a couple months ago.
Second photo is Boris on the left and Natasha on the right, taken a =
couple
years ago. (still have the ratty futon, though)
Third photo is part of my back yard, in May 2002 (most recent one I =
had
handy on the computer). I picked it because it shows the fence, so =
it's
relevant to an actual garden discussion! It's wood, built by the =
previous
owner of my house. DH and I repainted (actually it was white stain I =
think)
maybe the year before (don't remember for sure). Makes a good =
neighbor fence
in fact. Tall (maybe 6 feet, maybe just under that), but not =
completely
opaque so you can choose to visit or not.
Cheers
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
I gotomorrow morning to have tea with Virga and Chinook, the two cats I
will babysit Sun/Mon. Chinook is the male - black with white paws
(Chinook = snow eater, get it?). Virga is the female and Virga is
precipitation that falls from the clouds but evaporates before it hits
the ground. I told my friends they have wishful thinking! Can you tell
their "Dad" is a meteorology tech? :)
Brenda
- cool site of the day:
http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~yugo/storage/monocrafts_ver3/03/
Barbara Anders wrote:
Purrfect decorating for two loving/loved/beautiful cats. My Calhoun is
black also. Love that fence too.
Libba Griffith
think)
> maybe the year before (don't remember for sure). Makes a good neighbor
fence
My only concern is that apparently Virga gets pills right now. Could be
interesting. Think I will go armed with towel as I won't have a helper!
Brenda
Barbara Anders wrote:
It's hard to believe, but there's a cat won't use literbox FORUM
http://forum.cathobbyist.com/litterbox/index_a.html
Litterbox Problems Forum
Here you may post questions pertaining to Litterbox Problems Cats.
Marcia
Yeah, I think I'll need it!
Brenda
Barbara Anders wrote:
Beautiful cats, Lynne. I have a solid black boy, too, just turned 8 in
April. I have so many different colors it would be hard to match the
furniture, LOL. To make this garden related, I found him and his sister
at the edge of my yard when I was doing Spring cleanup that year ;-)
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Lynne H. Orr wrote:
Fri, Jun 11, 2004 6:27 PM sue.nyc@ATT.NET SueNY said:
> Great pics! Here's my indoor garden:
> http://home.att.net/~suenyc2
Here are pictures of Einstein and Oreo from last year.
Tom Miller
...
................................................
"For Satan finds some mischief still for idle hands to do."
Isaac Watts
..................................................
OK, Alan, get that drink and go sit in your garden for a while.
Barbara A. in creepy crawly Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Garden Guy wrote:
Hope there's no UT problems, Lynne, and that she starts using her box again.
Barbara A. in creepy crawly Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Lynne H. Orr wrote:
Jenny,=0D
=0D
It's actually more the cat poop smell but some pee too. I've put Natures
Miracle in the wash and after running it through twice, it seems to have
made the difference. It definitely didn't work with just one washing tho=
ugh
I'll be glad when I get this mess all cleaned up.=0D
=0D
Patti=0D
=0D
-------Original Message-------=0D
=0D
From: Gardens & Gardening=0D
Date: 06/11/04 18:19:49=0D
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU=0D
Subject: Re: cat behavior=0D
=0D
Patti - I can guarantee that just washing won't get the cat pee smell=0D
out. Go to KMart, Walmart or a Animal Feed Store and=0D
get a bottle of Simple Solution. It is a concentrated liquid you add to=0D
the washwater that will completely eliminate the smell.=0D
You can use the stuff on rugs or other areas that you don't want cat pee=0D
smell - Jenny=0D
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___=0D
=0D
Patti wrote:=0D
=0D
> There must be an epidemic here. Just this morning we discovered that o=
ur=0D
> 13 yo cat has been using the bathroom on my son's clothes at night. He =
has=0D
> been shutting his bedroom door so she couldn't get to the litterbox. I'=
m=0D
Hope you all hit it off from the start, Brenda. DH dog sits for some
friends every summer while they vacation. They have 4 dalmatians. When
they called a few weeks ago to tell him what week, he said, "Tell
Patrick and Natalie I'm looking forward to seeing them again." They
said, "Hmmmmmmmm, I guess we didn't tell you we got two more, huh?" ;-)
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Brenda Pink wrote:
WOW! You sure have some gorgeous houseplants!! And a sweet-looking kitty!
Barbara A. in
Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
SueNY wrote:
Awwww, what sweeties, Tom. They look like my mother's kitty, Felicia (we
named her Felix until we found out she was a she ;-))
OK, now I gotta brag. Each of my kitties has his/her own page and they
can be found at:
http://www.banders.com/justcats/justcats/justcats.asp
Barbara A. Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7 who never met a cat she didn't
like.
T.L.Miller wrote:
Oh, man. Our cats turn into little demons when you come at them with
pills. Wishing you luck.
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Brenda Pink wrote:
What a great website. I enjoyed getting to know your kitties. I played all
their "meows." My kitties weren't too thrilled by that! But now they're
going to want their own webpages..... ;)
Elizabeth
tiarella@bellsouth.net
Zone 6, KY
Ditto. As a foster for a local no kill shelter, you wouldn't believe how many people throw their companions out because they've had kittens or because they start having problems with them that would just be solved with a little care. I've had 3 week old kittens dumped on my doorstep more times than I care to count because they didn't want them, but didn't want to let the mother raise them.
This is a very long rant I can get into, but I've stopped being amazed by how callous, cruel, and downright mean people can be.
brandy
Glad you enjoyed it. You wouldn't believe the time I had following each
kitty around holding a microphone and cassette player, waiting for
him/her to meow. They'd be talking their fool heads off until they saw
the microphone, then clam up, LOL. Haven't gotten around to the last 5
additions ;-) A couple of them rarely meow, so I don't know if I ever will!
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Elizabeth wrote:
Now I do that. then I have company who comes in wearing black pants or dark
brown or navy and when they leave I am swatting bums trying to tidy them
up... :?<
Marg in N.S. Zone 5b
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mmillard/index.html
We
Good luck getting the clothes clean. Years ago, while we were on the way to
the vet, my cat peed on my knit hat (part of a set, with matching gloves and
a scarf at home), which was on the floor by the back seat of my car. I put
that hat through the washing machine three times, but still couldn't imagine
wearing it on my head, so I threw it out.
--Kathy K, mid-Missouri, zone 5
Is he picking the laundry up off the floor more often now??? ;)) Sounds
like a typical teenager!
--Kathy K, mid-Missouri
1/2
> way through. If I can still smell it, I'll run it again, then I thought
I'd
the
our
when
(I've
> had some success with Febreze but not complete -- I suspect it's soaked
in
In a message dated 6/11/2004 8:35:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tlmiller@MAC.COM writes:
> http://homepage.mac.com/tlmiller/boy022303/boy.html
Great pictures. I love cats and my best hibiscus is called The Path.
Anne in MA
Check with Virga's owner first, but if extra protein is okay, buy a jar of
baby food liver (if there is such a thing), and hide the pill in
that. Just present it to Virga, no head holds, etc. We use a dab of butter
surrounding a pill for our dogs, but cats may not go for butter...
> My only concern is that apparently Virga gets pills right now. Could be
> interesting. Think I will go armed with towel as I won't have a helper!
> Brenda
Margaret L
Gardening in Intermountain West and Handicapped gardening
http://www.margaretlauterbach.com
You are SO right (I actually have two teens, pray for me!). Maybe if the
smell doesn't come completely out, it'll keep the girls away!=0D
=0D
Patti =0D
=0D
-------Original Message-------=0D
=0D
From: Gardens & Gardening=0D
Date: 06/11/04 21:29:30=0D
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU=0D
Subject: Re: cat behavior=0D
=0D
Is he picking the laundry up off the floor more often now??? ;)) Sounds=0D
like a typical teenager!=0D
--Kathy K, mid-Missouri=0D
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> -----Original Message-----=0D
> From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of Patt=
i=0D
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:45 AM=0D
> To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU=0D
> Subject: Re: cat behavior=0D
> =0D
> Thanks for the advice. I just added it to the wash cycle. It was about=
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1/2=0D
> way through. If I can still smell it, I'll run it again, then I thought=
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I'd=0D
> be sure to hang all the clothes out.=0D
> =0D
> I'm sure her problem is just that she couldn't get to the box. The funn=
y=0D
> thing is that now our dog is acting odd. He sleeps in a crate at night =
and=0D
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> 13 yo cat has been using the bathroom on my son's clothes at night. H=
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> has=0D
> been shutting his bedroom door so she couldn't get to the litterbox. =
I'm=0D
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> =0D
> where it's not supposed to. Only it's my cat, and it's in the house!=0D
> =0D
> This is a 16-year-old, strictly indoor cat (has been since we got her=0D
when=0D
> =0D
> she was about 6 months old). She has gotten into the habit of using t=
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> =0D
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me=0D
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> had some success with Febreze but not complete -- I suspect it's soake=
d=0D
in=0D
> =0D
> too much?). And any suggestions for dealing with the behavior? I cau=
ght=0D
> =0D
> her this morning sniffing around the area so I picked her up and carri=
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> =0D
> her into the bathroom where the litter box is and she promptly used it=
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> (My understanding is that punishment doesn't work so I haven't tried t=
hat=0D
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> =0D
> I closed off the bedroom but I worry that she'll just find another spo=
t.=0D
Or, if the cat gets wet food and the pill is crushable, you can try
mixing it in her food. That's the only way we can get meds into one of
our cats.
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Margaret Lauterbach wrote:
Sue
Wow, what a plant collection! Very cute cat photo. If it were my cats
the leaves would be in their mouths!
Cheers
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
How sweet! Oreo has the cutes little face!
Cheers
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
I went over today to meet Virga and Chinook and witness the pill
giving. Probably not the way I'd do it....1/4 of a pill shoved down the
throat (one person holding) and then a few cc's of water squirted in.
Poor kitty salivated foamy stuff for quite a while. Then offered a
treat of a little piece of ham. Kind of wondered why they didn't put
the pill inside the ham myself. Don't know if the water was the vet's
instruction or their idea for washing the pill down. May try the ham
trick on my own. Even if the pill was in the ham and you shoved the ham
into the mouth?.....
Brenda
Margaret Lauterbach wrote:
Sat, Jun 12, 2004 12:05 PM lhorr@URHEP.PAS.ROCHESTER.EDU Lynne H. Orr said:
Oreo is a very sweet cat even though her big brother, Einstein, bullies
her. Their mother abandoned them in our yard and our neighbor's yard
before their eyes were opened. We have had them about 8 years.
Tom Miller
....
...........................................
"The only time we see the middle of the road is as
we run from side to side." R.O.Clark
....................................................
I give Maggie Phenobarbital daily and just wrap it in a tiny piece of
American cheese. She eagerly awaits pill time. When she and Jerry don't want
to come in from outside, I shout "pill time" and they both come running.
Lee Ann
I went over today to meet Virga and Chinook and witness the pill
giving. Probably not the way I'd do it....1/4 of a pill shoved down the
throat (one person holding) and then a few cc's of water squirted in.
Poor kitty salivated foamy stuff for quite a while. Then offered a
treat of a little piece of ham. Kind of wondered why they didn't put
the pill inside the ham myself. Don't know if the water was the vet's
instruction or their idea for washing the pill down. May try the ham
trick on my own. Even if the pill was in the ham and you shoved the ham
into the mouth?.....
Brenda
Chocolate "Mousse" is very talented. He can get his cheese, meat, butter or
whatever off from the pill and leave a very clean pill on the dish. Easier to
just pop it in. He is very gentile. Never even growls or hisses at anyone.
Anne in MA
Einstein is just begging for a tummy rub - I can tell! - Jenny
____________________________________________________________
Lynne H. Orr wrote:
Barbara, what an amazing menagerie! And an amazing set of webpages. I loved
the story of Biscuit and her kittens. I can see why you were tempted to keep
the kittens!
Cheers
Lynne Orr
Rochester NY, zone 6
Thanks for the kind words, Lynne; I love working on my website. I used
to do needlework, now I code, LOL. Yep, those kittens wrapped their
little paws around our hearts and never let go :)
Barbara A. in Southcentral Virginia, Zone 7
Lynne H. Orr wrote:
