I thought I'd cut Alan a break for a change and asked Barb if she would
post pictures of my datura and caladium, which she kindly did. I grew
the datura from seed started in FL. It was only a few inches high when I
brought it back to PA in the car. It was an experiment and I'm going to
try to take cuttings back to FL with me. It sure was a different plant
to grow. The holes in my caladium were from a hail storm. I thought I
had it sheltered under the gazebo eave, but it wasn't quite good enough.
The pictures are up at:
http://www.kiva.net/~dorsettm/grow6.html
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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Ooooh, Karen, can you save me some seeds from that Datura?
Lee Ann
I thought I'd cut Alan a break for a change and asked Barb if she would
post pictures of my datura and caladium, which she kindly did. I grew
the datura from seed started in FL. It was only a few inches high when I
brought it back to PA in the car. It was an experiment and I'm going to
try to take cuttings back to FL with me. It sure was a different plant
to grow. The holes in my caladium were from a hail storm. I thought I
had it sheltered under the gazebo eave, but it wasn't quite good enough.
The pictures are up at:
http://www.kiva.net/~dorsettm/grow6.html
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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Karen, do you know which datura variety you have?
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsettb@kiva.net
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Okay, I haven't been letting any go to seed (I've been deadheading) but I
will let if form seeds now. Do you want some cuttings to pot up also?
Warning though - if you touch it, the foliage of this plant stinks. The
flower has a slight sweet fragrance, but the foliage smell is stronger.
It's definitely a bush/shrub that you want outside. I've been wheeling
it in the garage every night with a dolly now that it's gotten colder
because I didn't want to bring it in the dining room.
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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I don't need cuttings, since they'll be killed by frost and I have no room
for them inside. But a few seeds would be great! Maybe I can stop by
sometime this fall to pick them up.
Lee Ann
Okay, I haven't been letting any go to seed (I've been deadheading) but I
will let if form seeds now. Do you want some cuttings to pot up also?
Warning though - if you touch it, the foliage of this plant stinks. The
flower has a slight sweet fragrance, but the foliage smell is stronger.
It's definitely a bush/shrub that you want outside. I've been wheeling
it in the garage every night with a dolly now that it's gotten colder
because I didn't want to bring it in the dining room.
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
Nope, all I remember from the package is "Datura." But I got it off
Parks seeds and the catalog might have said more. Unfortunately I left
the catalog in FL, along with most of my gardening books, and I won't get
another catalog until around Thanksgiving. Can you tell anything from
the picture?
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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I have two seed pods on it right now from flowers that fell off this
morning. I don't know anything about this plant, like how many seeds
form in a pod or what, so I'll let it do more. I'll be here until
mid-October anyway, or I can mail them to you if that doesn't work out.
I think I started my seed in February and it took a while to germinate
and didn't grow much at first. It reminded me of a pepper plant - at
first I thought that was what it was! That I had gotten wrong seeds (has
happened before). It was only about 2 inches tall when I brought it home
from FL. Once it started getting hot and long light days it took off and
seemed to grow overnight. As it started shooting up, I knew it wasn't a
pepper, but for awhile I thought it was a different type of eggplant -
especially when the buds were just forming! Being a total novice at
datura, it wasn't until it actually was almost ready to flower that I
realized it really was a datura! This has been the funniest plant to
grow.
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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Daturas will self-seed in our area. I had the plain white variety when I
still lived at my house, and they dropped seeds that wintered over and
popped up each spring. I reckon my tenant has cut them down this year as
he's a neat freak and doesn't know anything about flowers.
Lee Ann
I have two seed pods on it right now from flowers that fell off this
morning. I don't know anything about this plant, like how many seeds
form in a pod or what, so I'll let it do more. I'll be here until
mid-October anyway, or I can mail them to you if that doesn't work out.
I think I started my seed in February and it took a while to germinate
and didn't grow much at first. It reminded me of a pepper plant - at
first I thought that was what it was! That I had gotten wrong seeds (has
happened before). It was only about 2 inches tall when I brought it home
from FL. Once it started getting hot and long light days it took off and
seemed to grow overnight. As it started shooting up, I knew it wasn't a
pepper, but for awhile I thought it was a different type of eggplant -
especially when the buds were just forming! Being a total novice at
datura, it wasn't until it actually was almost ready to flower that I
realized it really was a datura! This has been the funniest plant to
grow.
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
I didn't know that! I thought they were strictly a warm-weather climate
plant. I'm going to try sowing some seed this fall then. Maybe they'll
come up next year. Now to find a spot for them in case they
do........maybe at the far sunny side of my lot beyond the roses. Did
your white ones bloom a lot?
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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Yes, my white ones bloomed prolifically. Such beautiful flowers they are.
I was lamenting the other day that I didn't have any at Sparrowood. They
seem to like the full sun, so the sunny side of your lot should be good for
them. Your yard slopes toward the southeast, doesn't it? Or is my sense of
direction off kilter a bit?
Lee Ann
I didn't know that! I thought they were strictly a warm-weather climate
plant. I'm going to try sowing some seed this fall then. Maybe they'll
come up next year. Now to find a spot for them in case they
do........maybe at the far sunny side of my lot beyond the roses. Did
your white ones bloom a lot?
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
Southwest on the far side. The house faces west, and the yard primarily
slopes west down the hill except for a bit on the sides. Years ago, when
we first bought the place we cut down 3 pines and 1 oak over where you're
thinking to create a place for a sunny garden. Wish the whole property
faced south, but at least facing west makes for easy viewing of the great
sunsets at this time of year. We had one of those sunsets that make
everything look like you're wearing rose-colored glasses a few days ago.
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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Karen.. lovely, lovely... thanks so much for sharing. Marge Mac
I have a similar Datura called Black Current Swirl. Maybe the same? I
believe I still have seeds.
Linda
We've been moving things around and I can't find my catalog right
now...but Park Seed Company does have an online catalog. Does Datura
metel 'Ballerina Purple' sound familiar...at least, does the 'Ballerina
Purple' part sound reasonable, and is it about a foot high by three feet
wide?
http://www.parkseed.com/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/psProduct2.d2w
/report?UNID=27320:39:51.387&itemnum59
(elsewise, http://www.parkseed.com/ and do a search for 'datura'.)
If so, I had to laugh because part of the description said, "...the
plant is covered with magnificent blooms, so fragrant that a single
plant perfumes the garden!" I guess that depends on whether you're
talking foliage or flower as scent producer.
like the dog scents thread, perception alters in the nose of the
sniffer, depending on likes/dislikes????
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsettb@kiva.net
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Karen,
The datura is gorgeous! I have seeds that I brought back from my
cousin's place in Florida but haven't known what to do with them. I see
you have yours in a pot. I always thought they got much too big for a
pot, but yours looks great. When did you start the seeds?
Jackie
Iowa
Karen Barker wrote:
Black Current Swirl is no better smelling. Flowers are nice but the folaige
is stinky. I have it reseeding in my compost pile.
I'll send you some seeds if you'd like. May take me a few days to get to it,
but I would be glad to.
Linda
I think it was in February and it's in a 24 inch pot. It didn't grow
very fast at first until the weather warmed up and the days got longer.
I underplanted it with a few impatiens for a little color at the bottom.
And I had one tomato plant in with it too. I got quite a few tomatoes
until late August when the datura got so big it created too much shade
and I cut most of the tomato plant out. I watered it every day unless we
got rain and fertilized about once a week. I figured it was probably a
heavy feed like brugmansias. In FL daturas will even bloom (very
sparsely compared to summer) in the winter. I was on a garden tour at
one of the MG's house and she had one. It was a nice size bush but only
had about two flowers on it.
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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Yes, that's it - Ballerina Purple, but this baby is over my head at the
moment (I'm 5', so) say 6 feet tall and about 3 feet wide at the moment.
It's in a pot though, not in the ground, so figure that's actually only 4
feet tall because the pot is a 24 incher.
I did expect it to be very fragrant. I don't recall any bad smell on the
ones I saw on Sanibel either. Leave it to me to get a weird one. And
while y'all kid about my keen sense of smell, DH and DD can smell the
stinky leaves also. I think anybody could, unless they're truly
olfactory-challenged.
the seed and grow them next year, do you think this seed will produce
flowers that have this same smell? Are there any factors that could
influence smell in plants - like different minerals in the soil, or
companion planting?
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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I looked at the web site and mine is the Ballerina Purple. Black Current
Swirl sounds almost good enough to eat - which isn't a good idea.
Maybe I should try that one too. I want one that smells good like it's
supposed to. Although, the one I grew is so neat looking I'll try to
grow it again - just not on the kitchen deck. I like the dark purple
stems too.
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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Beautiful pictures Karen.
I love the way the datura look.
Anne
Karen Barker
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:44 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Datura/caladium pictures to share with GARDENS
I thought I'd cut Alan a break for a change and asked Barb if she would
post pictures of my datura and caladium, which she kindly did. I grew
the datura from seed started in FL. It was only a few inches high when
I
brought it back to PA in the car. It was an experiment and I'm going
to
try to take cuttings back to FL with me. It sure was a different plant
to grow. The holes in my caladium were from a hail storm. I thought I
had it sheltered under the gazebo eave, but it wasn't quite good enough.
The pictures are up at:
http://www.kiva.net/~dorsettm/grow6.html
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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Sounds like standard catalog hype to me...the bog sage has the stinkiest
foliage in my garden so I was surprised to see a description somewhere of
the flowers as "fragrant" disbelieving I tentatively tried to smell the
flowers and they ARE fragrant...but who would ever be able to smell them
over the foliage?
Debbie
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If so, I had to laugh because part of the description said, "...the
plant is covered with magnificent blooms, so fragrant that a single
plant perfumes the garden!" I guess that depends on whether you're
talking foliage or flower as scent producer.
like the dog scents thread, perception alters in the nose of the
sniffer, depending on likes/dislikes????
Aha! So it's not just me. Your foliage is stinky too.
Yes, I'd love to have some seeds when you get around to it. I'll send
you my address back-channel.
Thanks,
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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Do datura grow in your area of FL, or does the cold kill them?
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Karen,
Datura is prolific in FL. It does have a bad reputation though. Enough
so that some cities have outlawed it due to its toxicity and the fact
that it was being used as an hallucinogen by a few groups of teens. The
toxicity level varies greatly so some times you get high, sometimes you
die. In my own little area it is not allowed in public areas or to be
on the fence where passerby can see it.
Ann
Karen Barker
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Do datura grow in your area of FL, or does the cold kill them?
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I wonder if it's any worse than oleander? I see oleander everywhere down
in southern FL. I dimly remember reading somewhere or other about some
nice hospitable Southern ladies who invited the British officers over for
oleander tea.
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I think I'd better start looking for those seeds I brought back last
year. It sounds like it would be a great potted plant for me. Thanks!
Jackie
Iowa
Karen Barker wrote:
It really looked great on the kitchen deck. People see it and go - "Wow,
what's that?" I'm just going to try for one that smells better next
year.
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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That I don't know about. Maybe the toxins are different, as datura is
used to get high and I have never heard of that for oleander.
Anne in FL
Zone 9b
Karen Barker
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I wonder if it's any worse than oleander? I see oleander everywhere
down
in southern FL. I dimly remember reading somewhere or other about some
nice hospitable Southern ladies who invited the British officers over
for
oleander tea.
Karen in Pittsburgh, PA (zone 5b/6)
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