> Then on Wednesday - went around the back of the house to the vegie garden and there was a big fat tiger snake. nearly had a heart attack.>>>
Hazel, as soon as I saw the header for your message, that was my first
thought! If I were in your shoes I'd be in intensive care by now!
Jo
NJ
Heaven help me.
Rats:
Thank you all for your messages. Yes I got a friend to spend two nights
with me and she didn't hear a thing!!! But last night neither did I - I
think they are gone or dead or something i don't want to think about. I
check the pond every morning and there are no signs of them - expecting
some smell but nothing yet!!! The rat man or pest man wasn't too keen on
actually getting into the roof and just lifted a couple of tiles and put a
cup of poison wheat in the ceiling as well as half a bucket in the
manhole.- little dog is safe and I have no children.
Then on Wednesday - went around the back of the house to the vegie garden
and there was a big fat tiger snake. nearly had a heart attack. by the
time i got the shovel he was gone and i haven't picked any veg since. Got
my lawn mowing man to check out the whole back yard and rang the neighbours
to warn them - apparently the jolly thing was seen last weekend and they
didn't bother to let anyone know - don't you love your neighbours!
Thankk you for sending me thoughts i think they may have helped.
Hazel
Snake only eats one a week or so. Maybe one a month. I don't like the
startle factor of snakes, and think the tradeoff of one mouse or vole per
week is not a good deal. Was that snake venomous? Margaret L
Hazel,
That's most likely where your Rats went ....in the snake!!! As long as you
have snakes around there won't be any mice or rats! I'v found this true
with my peafowl pen...I won't see rats or mice for awhile...then I will
catch sight of a snake slithering away. I think that I dislike snakes more
than mice..maybe..
Marie (upstate S.C.)
I like snakes, I used to have a pet one! A garter snake! But I think =
DH let it go! He does not like them! The only kind of snake that I =
don't like is the rattler! My cat spent a week at the vet and $1,300.00 =
from a rattle snake bite! Ugh!
Most of the snakes I see here are afraid of us. They slither away just =
as fast as they can! Except the rattlers, they just lay there and =
rattle at you! They are evil in my eyes!
Kim
From: Marie Woodson
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Veggie garden
Hazel,
That's most likely where your Rats went ....in the snake!!! As long as =
you
have snakes around there won't be any mice or rats! I've found this =
true
with my peafowl pen...I won't see rats or mice for awhile...then I will
catch sight of a snake slithering away. I think that I dislike snakes =
more
than mice..maybe..
Marie (upstate S.C.)
Hazel, in the part of America with which I'm familiar, our most deadly
snake is a rattlesnake. They dislike thumping on the ground and will leave
any area like that, so people out hiking use walking sticks to thump on the
ground to scare off rattlesnakes. And people say the thumping footsteps of
geese also scare off rattlesnakes. I don't know your situation, but if you
could place a goose "run" around your yard, it might protect from your
poisonous snakes. Eeeeewwww. shudder. That's worse than the rats. Margaret L
Marie
The trouble with the snake is a bite will kill and the trouble with the
rats is you cant sleep - almost the very opposite!!
Hate them both
Hazel
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you
> have snakes around there won't be any mice or rats! I'v found this true
> with my peafowl pen...I won't see rats or mice for awhile...then I will
> catch sight of a snake slithering away. I think that I dislike snakes
more
Absolutely Margaret
the damn thing would kill me little dog if i didn't get it to a vet for
anti-venom within 20 minutes and that worries me terribly
Hazel
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you
> have snakes around there won't be any mice or rats! I'v found this
true
> with my peafowl pen...I won't see rats or mice for awhile...then I will
> catch sight of a snake slithering away. I think that I dislike snakes
more
Kim
Many people around here feel that we are encroaching on snakes territory
and should treat them kindly. I feel not quite the same. They are
poisonous and will kill swiftly so I am very wary of them. They are very
quiet and people have been known to stand on them. even in the heat of
summer i wear boots in the garden and spend alot of time clumphing around
and banging a spade.
Hazel
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From: Kim
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Vegie garden
Date: Sunday, 8 October 2000 11:50
I like snakes, I used to have a pet one! A garter snake! But I think DH
let it go! He does not like them! The only kind of snake that I don't
like is the rattler! My cat spent a week at the vet and $1,300.00 from a
rattle snake bite! Ugh!
Most of the snakes I see here are afraid of us. They slither away just as
fast as they can! Except the rattlers, they just lay there and rattle at
you! They are evil in my eyes!
Kim
From: Marie Woodson
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Veggie garden
Hazel,
That's most likely where your Rats went ....in the snake!!! As long as you
have snakes around there won't be any mice or rats! I've found this true
with my peafowl pen...I won't see rats or mice for awhile...then I will
catch sight of a snake slithering away. I think that I dislike snakes more
than mice..maybe..
Marie (upstate S.C.)
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Their predecessors, no doubt, waited for somethin' good, but found
elephants too large to eat. Also too uncomfortably heavy. Margaret L
Be careful about relying on the thumping around method for "scaring"
snakes...I was really dismayed to learn that copperheads (and I would
imagine, at least some other poisonous snakes) have the habit of standing
their ground-after all that's how they get their prey-waiting for something
to come by that they can bite and eat.
Debbie in Williamsburg, VA
Lauterbach
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 9:43 AM
To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Vegie garden
Hazel, in the part of America with which I'm familiar, our most deadly
snake is a rattlesnake. They dislike thumping on the ground and will leave
any area like that, so people out hiking use walking sticks to thump on the
ground to scare off rattlesnakes. And people say the thumping footsteps of
geese also scare off rattlesnakes. I don't know your situation, but if you
could place a goose "run" around your yard, it might protect from your
poisonous snakes. Eeeeewwww. shudder. That's worse than the rats.
Margaret L
I don't think a copperhead would try to kill and eat a human. the biggest I've
ever heard of was only about 24 inches long. I think they tend to mostly eat
insects and very small mice as the snake isn't very big around either. I've
stepped on them and had them try to get away versus biting although I have been
bit by one I stepped on. Rattlesnakes I don't mess with, the last one I saw
alive and kicking was a timber rattler about five feet long and about six inches
in diameter. That one got the right of way on the trail.
George, who respects snakes but doesn't fear them
Deborah Green wrote:
Yeah, well, I guess they grow them smaller in Texas, George! The maximum
length recorded in VA is 48 inches and the ones I've seen are usually in the
3 ft. range. The adults eat small mammals-including squirrels. They
typically remain motionless, but alert when disturbed and will strike if
provoked-apparently they are particularly hostile when hot. They aren't
going to try to eat you and the bite doesn't kill, but apparently you wish
you were dead if you are bitten!
Debbie in Williamsburg, VA (some of this info from "The Reptiles of
Virginia" by Joseph Mitchell)
Shirley
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:15 PM
To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Vegie garden
I don't think a copperhead would try to kill and eat a human. the biggest
I've
ever heard of was only about 24 inches long. I think they tend to mostly eat
insects and very small mice as the snake isn't very big around either. I've
stepped on them and had them try to get away versus biting although I have
been
bit by one I stepped on. Rattlesnakes I don't mess with, the last one I saw
alive and kicking was a timber rattler about five feet long and about six
inches
in diameter. That one got the right of way on the trail.
George, who respects snakes but doesn't fear them
Deborah Green wrote:
> Be careful about relying on the thumping around method for "scaring"
> snakes...I was really dismayed to learn that copperheads (and I would
> imagine, at least some other poisonous snakes) have the habit of standing
> their ground-after all that's how they get their prey-waiting for
something
Margaret
the
My DH was showing me his new little palms which were hidden under the =
long foliage of the umbrella plant and when he pulled back the foliage, =
right next to his arm, was a baby rattler! He was very lucky that he =
did not get bit! I guess it was too cold for the snake to move! It =
never did move, just stayed coiled up!
> My DH was showing me his new little palms which were hidden under the =
> long foliage of the umbrella plant and when he pulled back the foliage, =
> right next to his arm, was a baby rattler! He was very lucky that he =
> did not get bit! I guess it was too cold for the snake to move! It =
> never did move, just stayed coiled up!
Eeewwww. Where did you say you lived? Thanks, Margaret L
Funny you should say that Margaret. Someone offered me some gooses geese a
couple of weeks ago. Im sure it would save me walking the dog!
Hazel
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very
> quiet and people have been known to stand on them. even in the heat of
> summer i wear boots in the garden and spend alot of time clumphing
around
> and banging a spade.
> Hazel
> Hazel, in the part of America with which I'm familiar, our most deadly
> snake is a rattlesnake. They dislike thumping on the ground and will
leave
> any area like that, so people out hiking use walking sticks to thump on
the
> ground to scare off rattlesnakes. And people say the thumping footsteps
of
> geese also scare off rattlesnakes. I don't know your situation, but if
you
> could place a goose "run" around your yard, it might protect from your
> poisonous snakes. Eeeeewwww. shudder. That's worse than the rats.
Margaret L
Kim
do you mean he was permanently not moving?
Hazel
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From: Kim
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Vegie garden
Date: Tuesday, 10 October 2000 3:04
My DH was showing me his new little palms which were hidden under the long
foliage of the umbrella plant and when he pulled back the foliage, right
next to his arm, was a baby rattler! He was very lucky that he did not get
bit! I guess it was too cold for the snake to move! It never did move,
just stayed coiled up!
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It was permanent after I got finished with it!
From: Hazel Bartlett-Griffiths
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Vegie garden
Kim
> do you mean he was permanently not moving?<<
Hazel
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From: Kim
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Vegie garden
Date: Tuesday, 10 October 2000 3:04
My DH was showing me his new little palms which were hidden under the =
long
foliage of the umbrella plant and when he pulled back the foliage, right
next to his arm, was a baby rattler! He was very lucky that he did not =
get
bit! I guess it was too cold for the snake to move! It never did move,
just stayed coiled up!
From: Margaret Lauterbach
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Veggie garden
I guess it was too cold for the snake to move! It =3D
> never did move, just stayed coiled up!
Eeewwww. Where did you say you lived? Thanks, Margaret L
In Southern Calif. in between San Diego and Los Angeles about 40 miles =
inland. We live in an unincorporated area, pretty rural! Lot's of =
critters here! Coyotes, cotton tail & Jack rabbits, mountain lions, =
bobcats, California quail, tarantulas! We're supposed to have =
scorpions, but I've never seen one in the five years we've lived here!
Kim
In the late '60s we lived in Riverside. Never saw any rattlesnakes there,
but a rosy boa caused a stir when it invaded our yard. Big fight among
neighborhood kids as to who got to keep it. I wanted someone to...Margaret L
Yeah, we've seen plenty of Rosy Boa's! And garter snakes and California =
King snakes. The little girl next door had a baby Rosy Boa for a pet, =
then her parents made her let it go after awhile. DH likes to keep some =
brush for the snakes to hide in, problem is, the wrong kind of snakes =
are hiding in there (Rattlers)! I chop down the brush when I can!
From: Margaret Lauterbach
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Vegie garden
> In Southern Calif. in between San Diego and Los Angeles about 40 miles =
=3D
> inland. We live in an unincorporated area, pretty rural! Lot's of =3D
> critters here! Coyotes, cotton tail & Jack rabbits, mountain lions, =
=3D
> bobcats, California quail, tarantulas! We're supposed to have =3D
> scorpions, but I've never seen one in the five years we've lived here!
> Kim
> In the late '60s we lived in Riverside. Never saw any rattlesnakes =
there,
but a rosy boa caused a stir when it invaded our yard. Big fight among
neighborhood kids as to who got to keep it. I wanted someone =
to...Margaret L<<
Awww, they're not that bad, except for the Rattlers and the Black Widows =
and the Brown Recluse spiders! OK, never mind!
The first week after we moved in here, a huge mountain lion just =
casually sauntered through my back yard! My girls were playing in the =
front yard and I just freaked out! I ran yelling and screaming out the =
door to get my kids in the house! I think I scared that poor mountain =
lion half to death! Now I don't see too many because of the increase in =
human population and dogs.
From: Hazel Bartlett-Griffiths
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Veggie garden
> Holy Hell thank goodness I don't live there<<
Hazel
Holy Hell thank goodness I don't live there
Hazel
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From: Kim
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Vegie garden
Date: Thursday, 12 October 2000 4:53
Yeah, we've seen plenty of Rosy Boa's! And garter snakes and California
King snakes. The little girl next door had a baby Rosy Boa for a pet, then
her parents made her let it go after awhile. DH likes to keep some brush
for the snakes to hide in, problem is, the wrong kind of snakes are hiding
in there (Rattlers)! I chop down the brush when I can!
From: Margaret Lauterbach
Subject: Re: From Rats to Snake in Vegie garden
but a rosy boa caused a stir when it invaded our yard. Big fight among
neighborhood kids as to who got to keep it. I wanted someone to...Margaret
L<<
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> but a rosy boa caused a stir when it invaded our yard. Big fight among neighborhood kids as to who got to keep it. I wanted someone to...Margaret>>>
Right, Margaret! The idea is too keep it far away from you...and me!
Jo
NJ
