slug issues, and a "hello"

updated mon 20 may 02

Victoria O-M on fri 17 may 02

--------------1B3C1B8A11CDB21BF4058DBD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, many newspapers use soy-based inks because they are cheaper. We called both of the newspapers that we read about it, before using our fireplace ash in our compost. It's a good idea to check first. Victoria James Kirker wrote: > In a message dated 5/17/02 9:12:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Sukawati@AOL.COM writes: > > > >> What is this I hear about using NEWSPAPER in an organic garden? >> Isn't the printers ink toxic? What effect does this have on the >> soil? >> > > I believe most newspapers have switched to nontoxic ink. I was told > that the Boston Globe had when I called, > Jim K in Hyde Park Mass > or should I say Hyde Pahk --------------1B3C1B8A11CDB21BF4058DBD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, many newspapers use soy-based inks because they are cheaper. We called both of the newspapers that we read about it, before using our fireplace ash in our compost. It's a good idea to check first.

Victoria

James Kirker wrote: In a message dated 5/17/02 9:12:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Sukawati@AOL.COM writes:

What is this I hear about using NEWSPAPER in an organic garden?
Isn't the printers ink toxic? What effect does this have on the soil?

I believe most newspapers have switched to nontoxic ink. I was told that the Boston Globe had when I called,
Jim K in Hyde Park Mass
or should I say Hyde Pahk --------------1B3C1B8A11CDB21BF4058DBD--

on sat 18 may 02

Hi everyone,
I'm Lisa, a newbie, and a newbie gardener, who has been lurking here for a
week.

And I have a newbie question:
What is this I hear about using NEWSPAPER in an organic garden?
Isn't the printers ink toxic? What effect does this have on the soil?

I am so excited about having my first garden!!
(I will be doing Square-foot gardening (as soon as I get my frames filled up!)
I know, I am getting a late start! I certainly welcome ALL advice!
Are any of you doing square foot?)
Cheers,
Lisa
in Framingham, MA, USA
sukawati@aol.com

PS Extra points to anyone who knows where "Sukawati" is! ;-)

In a message dated 5/17/02 9:33:06 PM, ruggierop@EARTHLINK.NET writes:

<< Laurie, I can vouch for the need for newspaper under a thick layer of wood

chips. Even such as this can let light through, after a bit of foot traffic

moves the chips around. A couple sheets of newspaper blocks the light more

thoroughly and reliably than chips alone.

Additional fact, also based on recent experience: the Bermuda grass just

waits underneath for the newspaper to rot and the chips to shift; it then

bursts forth, happily nourished on all that tasty organic material.

Pat >>

James Kirker on sat 18 may 02

--part1_6f.27a592ae.2a1732d8_boundary

In a message dated 5/17/02 9:12:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Sukawati@AOL.COM
writes:

> What is this I hear about using NEWSPAPER in an organic garden?
> Isn't the printers ink toxic? What effect does this have on the soil?

I believe most newspapers have switched to nontoxic ink. I was told that the
Boston Globe had when I called,
Jim K in Hyde Park Mass
or should I say Hyde Pahk

--part1_6f.27a592ae.2a1732d8_boundary

In a message dated 5/17/02 9:12:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Sukawati@AOL.COM writes:





What is this I hear about using NEWSPAPER in an organic garden?

Isn't the printers ink toxic? What effect does this have on the soil?







I believe most newspapers have switched to nontoxic ink. I was told that the Boston Globe had when I called,

Jim K in Hyde Park Mass

or should I say Hyde Pahk


--part1_6f.27a592ae.2a1732d8_boundary--

kathryn marsh on sat 18 may 02

--============_-1190410818==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >In a message dated 5/17/02 9:12:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >Sukawati@AOL.COM writes: > >>What is this I hear about using NEWSPAPER in an organic garden? >>Isn't the printers ink toxic? What effect does this have on the soil? >> > > >I believe most newspapers have switched to nontoxic ink. I was told >that the Boston Globe had when I called, >Jim K in Hyde Park Mass >or should I say Hyde Pahk I've started using the nose test on papers - those using none toxic ink have a strong soya smell whilst the others have an old fashioned metal and spirit smell kathryn --============_-1190410818==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" In a message dated 5/17/02 9:12:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Sukawati@AOL.COM writes:
What is this I hear about using NEWSPAPER in an organic garden?
Isn't the printers ink toxic? What effect does this have on the soil?

I believe most newspapers have switched to nontoxic ink. I was told that the Boston Globe had when I called,
Jim K in Hyde Park Mass
or should I say Hyde Pahk

I've started using the nose test on papers - those using none toxic ink have a strong soya smell whilst the others have an old fashioned metal and spirit smell

kathryn --============_-1190410818==_ma============--

Carol Jensen on sat 18 may 02

Yes, many newspapers use soy-based inks because they are
cheaper. We called both of the newspapers that we read about it, before
using our fireplace ash in our compost. It's a good idea to check first.

Victoria

<<<<<<<<

And unfortunately one is discouraged nowadays from using wood ash except
maybe on the lawn and such, because it is perhaps too full of - what -
I've forgotten what!

Carol, Denmark, wood stove, lots of wood ash



James Kirker wrote:

arialIn a message dated
5/17/02 9:12:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Sukawati@AOL.COM
writes:


arialWhat is this I hear
about using NEWSPAPER in an organic garden?


arialIsn't the printers ink toxic?
What effect does this have on the soil?




ArialI believe most newspapers have
switched to nontoxic ink. I was told that the Boston Globe had when I
called,


ArialJim K in Hyde Park
Mass


Arialor should I say Hyde Pahk



<<<<<<<<

Carol Jensen on sun 19 may 02

Here in Denmark I assume people would know better than to use treated lum=
ber for a fire. People either pay a small amount to fell their own trees,=
or even less to pick up large branches and tree tops, or else they simpl=
y buy wood - and this is firewood, untreated.

However, there has been a discussion on the list to the effect that there=
is too much of something in wood ash - perhaps potassium? Someone should=
remember.

Carol

> Carol Jensen wrote:

> And unfortunately one is discouraged nowadays from using wood ash exce=
pt maybe on the lawn and such, because it is perhaps too full of - what -=
I've forgotten what!

Carol Jensen on sun 19 may 02

Yes, but that is no test! Worms congregate under my garbage bags full of leaves on the gravel too! They simply like to gather under some sort of cover.

Carol

Tony and Moira Ryan on sun 19 may 02

Carol Jensen wrote:

> And unfortunately one is discouraged nowadays from using wood ash except maybe on the lawn and such, because it is perhaps too full of - what - I've forgotten what!

Hi Carol,

There's no problem burning untreated timber, such as the fallen branches
you collect from your local woods, but processed (2nd hand) timber has
usually been treated in some way to resist rotting, and it is these
treatments which make burning this kind of timber unsafe. The most
common treatment uses an arsenic compound, and when this is burned, the
arsenic is released into the smoke. Maybe the wind will carry it away
from your house, but it is likely to get into the neighbours'. (We have
this problem to some extent with our own next-door neighbours, who are
upwind of us, and the wind carries their smoke straight into our bedroom
window!!!)

Another common treatment uses a boron compound. This is somewhat less
toxic as a rule, but it is still a nasty element to have drifting around
freely as smoke!

Tony
--
Tony & Moira Ryan
Wainuiomata - at the Southern tip of North Island, NZ,
Lat 41??15'S, Long 174??58'E (Antipodes of Spain/Southern France)

Tony and Moira Ryan on sun 19 may 02

kathryn marsh wrote:

> I've started using the nose test on papers - those using none toxic
> ink have a strong soya smell whilst the others have an old fashioned
> metal and spirit smell

Moira commented - on reading this - that she relies on our worms'
opinion. They clearly LOVE newsprint and congregate in large numbers
under wherever she lays newspapers!

Tony
--
Tony & Moira Ryan
Wainuiomata - at the Southern tip of North Island, NZ,
Lat 41??15'S, Long 174??58'E (Antipodes of Spain/Southern France)

Tony and Moira Ryan on sun 19 may 02

Carol Jensen wrote:
M reckons the worms are clearly doing well there, if anything poisonous
was leaching out of the newsprint, either the worms would move away, or
we would find dead worms, we think.

Tony
--
Tony & Moira Ryan
Wainuiomata - at the Southern tip of North Island, NZ,
Lat 41??15'S, Long 174??58'E (Antipodes of Spain/Southern France)

Tony and Moira Ryan on sun 19 may 02

Carol Jensen wrote:

> And unfortunately one is discouraged nowadays from using wood ash except maybe on the lawn and such, because it is perhaps too full of - what - I've forgotten what!

Wood ash is high in both Calcium and Potassium. Probably good on the
vege garden - in moderation - or anywhere where either of those elements
is low, or you wish to raise the pH.

Tony
--
Tony & Moira Ryan
Wainuiomata - at the Southern tip of North Island, NZ,
Lat 41??15'S, Long 174??58'E (Antipodes of Spain/Southern France)

billevans on sun 19 may 02

and dont forget Silica( paulownia wood has lots)
and Sodium too if the soil is sodic( severly retards growth),

I dont think either of those elements wood volatilize...

Wood ash is high in both Calcium and Potassium.

Carol Jensen on mon 20 may 02

And if you have any horsetail (Bill wouldn't in that hot dry climate!) it is chockfull of silica.

Carol