This is forwarded with the permission of Ashley Hotz. ~Bunny Snow
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Toxic induced illnesses are epidemic in the U.S. and are costing society
billions each year. Chronic illnesses linked to toxic chemicals are,
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Gulf War Illness, Fibromyalgia, Attention
Deficit Disorder, chemically-induced insulin-dependent (Type 1)
diabetes, Cancer, and Autism, to name just a few. We need to start
asking ourselves -- when you have an industry that makes BOTH the toxic
chemicals and the medical drugs and technology to treat them --do we
have a system of "poison for profit" that is criminal? Americans now
spend over a trillion dollars a year
on medical costs.
Over 95% of the toxic chemicals in the market today are inadequately
tested for human health, and none are tested for chronic, low level
exposures -- which are how we are exposed to them. Synthetic chemicals
are impregnated into thousands of products we come in contact with every
day such as clothing, furniture, bedding, paper, food storage
containers, building materials, pillow feathers, pillow covers, inks,
mattresses, food, cosmetics, carbonless paper, fragrances, and tampons,
to name just a few. The industry that produces the over 80,000
synthetic chemicals currently on the market,
spends millions lobbying in Congress to keep the regulatory system to
protect public health -- flawed and weak. Top officials in the federal
government leave the regulatory system to work in top jobs for the
companies they formerly regulated.
"When we, our children and our animals suffer symptoms or become ill,
have trouble with our reproductive systems -- we spend many thousands of
dollars on medical imaging, tests, treatments, operations, hospitals and
drugs... a circle of profit that has no equal in the corporate world.
Again this year - the chemical/pharmaceutical industry was declared the
most profitable industry in the world." (2000, 2001 and 2002 business
reports for top ten businesses). A. Hotz
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http://www.redflagsweekly.com/storm_warnings/poison.html
POISON FOR PROFIT --- CHEM/PHARM HAS NO EQUAL - WHAT A BUSINESS PLAN!
By Ashley Simmons Hotz
May 15, 2002 - The huge transnational companies that produce toxic
chemicals found in pesticides, herbicides and industrial and household
products profit not only from the sale of these products, but also from
the symptoms and chronic illnesses that they can trigger.
The vast majority of chemicals found in pesticides and other products,
undergo little or no testing for chronic, low level exposures and for
chronic health effects.
The same chemical companies that produce toxic chemicals also produce
prescription drugs, veterinary medicines, a wide array of medical
products and imaging technologies, hold cancer treatment and medical
device patents, and a produce a staggering assortment of
over-the-counter palliatives.
Families with toxin induced illnesses often spend large sums for drugs
and medical treatment.
This circle of profit is not conspiracy theory, but an easily provable
fact.
Below are chem/pharm web sites for the largest companies in the world.
There you can see quickly and clearly that these companies profit from
all sides of the picture.
Aventis was launched in December 1999 through the merger of Hoechst AG
of Germany and Rh??ne-Poulenc SA of France. Main Home Page for
Aventis--go to top right and click on "Aventis Worldwide" to see
medical, agrochemical and pharmaceutical categories of business.
http://www.aventis.com/main/0,1003,EN-XX-100---,FF.html
Aventis "crop sciences" include herbicides, fungicides, pesticides and
genetically engineered food.
http://www.cropscience.aventis.com/products/products.htm
Aventis Pharma is the pharmaceutical division:
http://www.aventis.com/main/0,1003,EN-XX-24770-37160--,FF.html
Monsanto is owned by Pharmacia. The Pharmacia Corporation was created
through the merger of Pharmacia Upjohn with Monsanto Company and its
G.D. Searle unit. Pharmacia employs 59,000 people worldwide and has
research, manufacturing and administrative sales operations in more than
60 countries.
Monsanto:
http://www.monsanto.com
Pharmacia:
http://www.pharmacia.com/About/Index.asp
BASF-fungicides, herbicides, pesticides:
http://www.basf.de/en/produkte/gesundheit/pflanzen/products/
BASF - pharmaceuticals:
http://www.basf.de/en/produkte/gesundheit/nahrung/
Merck is known widely as a pharmaceutical company
http://www.merck.com/
Merck Research Company; Applications to Register Pesticide:
http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-PEST/1996/July/Day-10/pr-796.html
Merck produces chemicals and precursors for pesticides and other
neurotoxins.
Merck Chemicals for Industrial Applications - Listed in alphabetical
order:
http://www.merck-ti.de/tabelle/cia_tabelle.htm
"Our broad range of Chemicals for Industrial Applications is widely used
in many fields of production within the chemical and technical
industries."
http://www.merck-ti.de/set_cia.html
Dow Chemical produces both toxic chemicals and pharmaceuticals. (Click
on the drop-down list here):
http://www.dow.com/products_services/index.html
Dow Pharmaceuticals:
http://www.dowpharm.com/
Dow's pesticide products include the organophosphate pesticide Dursban
(a/k/a Chlorpyrifos/a/k/a RAID a/k/a Lorsban and is found in about 800
other pesticide products). Dursban was to be phased out and banned from
indoor, yard and garden use last year because of what it does to the
developing brain.
EPA was going to allow Dursban to "continue to be sold until current
stocks run out" but Dow has been scrambling to get this delayed, and has
been conducting short term clinical trials by feeding Dursban pills to
healthy teenagers in an attempt to get it back on the market:
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020422/poisons.html
Dupont Chemical recently sold a pharmaceutical division to Bristol Myers
Squibb. Dupont makes pesticides and drugs:
http://www.dupontpharma.com/
Here is a list of other chemicals and neurotoxins that they produce:
Do you take Bayer aspirin? Did you know that Bayer also makes other
drugs, pesticides, chemicals? When you get to the Bayer site from the
following URL, go to the "application" search engine and scroll down to
pesticides. At the first URL here, go to the right side and click on the
drop-down list to see the spectrum of products -- for industrial
chemicals and "crop protection" products, to pharmaceuticals.
http://www.bayer.com/en/index_en.php
Bayer pharmaceuticals:
http://www.pharma.bayer.com/
It is interesting to note that the Bayer corporation was originally the
I.G. Farben Company with deep ties to the Nazis during the 1920s and
30s. I.G. Farben produced Zyklon-B gas which was used in the Nazi death
camps. Other big chem/pharm manufacturers became owners of pieces of
I.G. Farben during the lengthy process of dissolving its assets after
decades of lawsuits and pressures from international organizations for
alleged I.G.Farben Nazi crimes. Here is a quote from the BBC:
"Most of the company's assets were confiscated after World War II and
were transferred to four big German corporations: Bayer, Hoechst, Agfa
and BASF."
See BBC article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1549000/1549092.stm
Many of these huge transnationals have merged with each other. For
example, CibaGeigy, Sandoz and other multinational
chemical/pharmaceutical companies merged to become Novartis. Then
Novartis Agribusiness merged with Zeneca (Astra-Zeneca) Agrochemicals to
form Syngenta:
http://www.syngenta.com/en/syngenta/facts.asp
Standard and Poor's Stock Exchange profile on Novartis:
Novartis pharmaceuticals, seeds, genetic engineering:
http://www.novartis.com
Novartis owns Syngenta -- produces pesticides, herbicides, etc:
http://www.syngenta-us.com/
Novartis AG -- incredible list of products, relationships and
subsidiaries:
http://www.transnationale.org/fiches/70.htm
Then there is Astra Zeneca that sold off part of its agrochemical
business to Novartis. AstraZeneca. For some listings of its
pharmaceuticals:
http://www.astrazeneca.com/mainnav1/s_products/s_prod_brands/c_prod_list/index.html
MERGERS, ACQUISITIONS & SPIN-OFFS IN THE CHEMICALS INDUSTRY 1998 -2001:
http://www.icem.org/events/BKK/chem/ma.html
AMVAC makes the insecticide NALED a/k/a DIBROM, and nineteen other
products. AMVAC Chemical Company is owned by American Vanguard
Corporation, which makes herbicides, pesticides. A major portion of its
revenues comes from selling its specialty chemicals to the
pharmaceutical industry. It is also in the business of "environmental
remediation" and "toxic waste management." (Like other chem/pharm
companies, American Vanguard profits from pollution that they help make,
and then get paid to clean up).
http://www.thestandard.com/companies/dossier/0,1922,271462,00.html
AMVAC's brother subsidiaries include, GemChem, Inc. and Environmental
Mediation, Inc.
AMVAC's brother GemChem: "... committed to exceeding industry standards
as a national chemical distributor. In addition to representing AMVAC as
its domestic sales force, GemChem also sells into the cosmetic,
nutritional and pharmaceutical markets."
AMVAC's brother Environmental Mediation, Inc. provides clients with:
"complex investigative and remedial activities. With... core expertise
in the areas of hazardous waste, air toxics, and water quality..."
Environmental Mediation, Inc. offers its clients expertise in:
Issue Analysis
Strategic Planning
Government Relations
Regulatory Strategy
Environmental Consulting
Public Affairs
American Home Products pharmaceuticals and veterinary medicines has
subsidiaries galore, including American Cyanimid among others. American
Cyanimid produced many chemical products including pesticides and
pharmaceutical chemicals.
AHP later changed its name to WYETH, a major holding company:
http://www.wyeth.com
American Home Products was gobbled up by the chem/pharm giat BASF:
See paragraph nine:
http://www.rrz.uni-hamburg.de/biologie/b_online/ppigb/company.htm
And this just shows the cycle of profit in all of its glory when you see
the Chemical Business Research website -- Click on: "Code "C4": Cancer
Opportunities in the New Millennium"
http://ecom.sric.sri.com/CBRD/Public/Staff/
Did you know that thousands of toxic chemicals are impregnated into
products that we come in intimate contact with every day that have
woefully inadequate testing? Synthetic chemicals are found in clothing,
furniture, bedding, paper, food storage containers, building materials,
pillow feathers, pillow covers, inks, mattresses, food, cosmetics,
carbonless paper, fragrances, and tampons. A wide variety of fat
soluable pesticides are even impregnated into animal feed (fat soluable
means it stores in fat). One of the reasons this is done is to cut down
on flies in the barnyard. The fecal matter becomes so toxic that it ends
up killing the flies! So the questions is -- does the animal fat cause
us to get dosed with low levels of this stuff? See EPA web site:
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_99/40cfr186_99.html
Most of the public is completely unaware of how pervasive toxic
chemicals are in our homes and offices. If it were just one or two of
the chemicals--the effects might be tolerable. But that is not the case
at all because the relentless cumulative and synergistic effects of
these chemicals is causing great harm to human, animal and environmental
health.
When we, our children and our animals suffer symptoms or become ill,
have trouble with our reproductive systems -- we spend many thousands of
dollars on medical imaging, tests, treatments, operations, hospitals and
drugs... a circle of profit that has no equal in the corporate world.
Again this year - the chemical/pharmaceutical industry was declared the
most profitable industry in the world.
What a business plan!
Bunny forwarded:
I'm very skeptical of this claim. The vast majority of people I know who
feed cattle would not knowingly feed their herds any persistent pesticide.
Furthermore, there are plenty of flies at every feedlot I've ever seen, and
they don't seem to be fazed by the cowpies. I'd really like to see:
1) Which chemicals are allegedly being used ["impregnated" implies some
method other than being fed], and;
2) Anything to support the poisonous cow-pie thing.
> So the questions is -- does the animal fat cause
> us to get dosed with low levels of this stuff? See EPA web site:
> http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_99/40cfr186_99.html
This page and the documents therein is instructive, but not dispositive.
These documents, as far as I can tell, are concerned with pesticide or
herbicide residues left on animal feeds as a result of the crop being
sprayed *while it was in the field*. That's a long way from deliberately
dumping, say, carbaryl (Sevin) in ol' Bossy's corn ration for the day. It's
still a problem, but a different problem than the one mentioned.
I'd wager that most chemicals we encounter in a given day aren't in
concentrations high enough to cause any ill effect. The human body is a
remarkable thing, and many things we ingest pass right out of our system.
This doesn't mean I want zillions of chemicals floating about our everyday
lives, but it does mean that perhaps we ought to be careful about the lines
we swallow, particularly from industry, but also from the people who are on
the other side.
Jason
Jason mused:
> I'd wager that most chemicals we encounter in a given day aren't in
> concentrations high enough to cause any ill effect. The human body is a
> remarkable thing, and many things we ingest pass right out of our system.
Many of these things are being found in fairly high concentrations in our
livers and kidneys, stored there for years. There are many studies that show
children have fairly large concentrations of many pesticides in their
systems and these are causing health problems. While exposure to low
concentrations of Arsenic are not harmful (and apparently we need a tiny
quantity) over time the stuff accumulates in your body and cause death. Many
years ago it was a popular thing for some women to ingest Arsenic to improve
their complexion, but after they found that it was fatal they stopped. Long
term exposure may not present obvious signs and symptoms but it does cause
chronic health problems. Migrant workers exposed to Sevin are showing many
health problems that can only be the result of that exposure and their
children, conceived after that exposure, demonstrate learning disabilities
as well as health problems. We have 10 children in our church with many food
and chemical allergies making it difficult to find products to use to clean
with since even if a classroom is cleaned on Monday with certain "stuff"
these kids will have an attack on Sunday. We can no longer spray the lawn to
control "weeds" since we have kids that have asthmatic attacks when we do.
What causes all this? No one really knows but most of the diagnosis is made
through a process of elimination. There are a couple of people on this list
with multiple chemical sensitivities.
Kimm
Bunny Snow wrote:
Bunny
Many thanks or this illuminating if highly depressing reference.
it is positively obscene how these companies are causing so many health
problems which they then gruesomly offer us remedies for. We sometimes
symapthise with the people of the Middle Ages who suffered the
depredations of the robber barons, but these were angels in contrast
with the modern congolmerates I think.
I was particularly interested in the reference to Chronic Fatigue
Syndrome as I have two friends (both women) which this distressing
condition has affected. One (a local) thankfully recovered completely
after about four years and has since lived an entirely healthy and
vigorous life, but the other (a Scot whom I got to know through my
sister who was at the time living in Scotland) about twenty years ago as
a young horticultural student also contracted the disease and in spite
of all sorts of treatment she has remained subject to it ever since. She
has of course had to give up her career, but has remained as active as
she can manage in voluntary organizations and even managed to stay in
touch with her very favourite Scottish country dancing, though she can
only now join in a few of the less energetic numbers. She has twice
visited NZ, where she has relations and spent time with us. We were able
to take her out on a few walks, but had to stay not far from the car as
she never knew when her energy level would suddenly drop to around zero.
Once we were really caught out and only got her back to the car with the
greatest difficulty, as there was no track along which we could bring it
any nearer.
We ourselves deplore all the unnecessary chemicals which are finding
their way into our environment, even in "clean green" NZ, and avoid them
as much as we can. We are very careful, for instance, to buy any
necessary household cleaners etc from an Organic shop where we can be
sure of getting safe natural materials and we certainly eat organic as
much as we can afford. In our garden we have for many years done lagely
without chemicals of any sort and any we do use are not a threat to the
ecosystem.
And talking about cleaners, my pet hate is the appalling scents which go
into so many chemically-based household products and especially into
those ghastly so-called "air fresheners". The makers claim they smell
delightfully of one flower or another. Thank goodness none of the real
flowers they try to mimic ever stank like that! (And apropos of these on
one occasion our local Consumer organization remarked if people would
clean their houses properly and especially their loos such smell-masking
products would not be needed at all).The other thing we aim to avoid
almost entirely are the so-called "convenience foods" preferring to make
up our menues from scratch using only unaltered natural ingredients.
Of course keeping away from pollution is made a bit easier for us
because we live close to the bush on the edge of a relatively small
suburban townlet in its own secluded valley which must protect us from
a lot of "nasties" merely drifting round in the air which city dwellers
have much less chance of avoiding..
I like to think this is a big factor in the good health we still enjoy.
Tony in particular at nearly 81 is often taken for a man around twenty
years younger.
When is this effort to destroy mankind (an a lot of the world with them)
going to be halted I wonder. Don't the creatures who are perpetrating
this horror realize that they themselves are very much at risk too? The
lure of the almighty dollar is it seems enough to blind them to the
danger they are also in.
Moira
--
Tony & Moira Ryan,
Wainuiomata, North Island, NZ. Pictures of our garden at:-
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/cherie1/Garden/TonyandMoira/index.htm
Amen to that!! I can hardly stand to get in a room with all the various scents,
which includes perfumes and after shave stuff. All mixed together really STINKS.
susan
Tony and Moira Ryan wrote:
I noticed a long time ago that when a woman wearing heavy perfume
passed by I found it just a little bit harder to breathe. That
always passed quickly. Lower levels of odors never did bother me.
---Jim allAn
200 miles Northwest of New York city
Inventor of the Dandelion Harvester
Follow this link to my website.
Though I DO use Vel, not usually for dish washing, but more for kitchen cleaning (It is AWFULLY strong!), the only other "soap" I use is crystal soap, sort of liquid. It is also very strong, but I think it contains nothing bad.
Carol
Ah. A light striketh.
John wrote:
> One school where my children used to go had insecticides sprayed under the
> carpet during play-time because one earwig had been found underneath it.
One of our schools had a fairly large number of children have acute asthma
attacks one morning and the cause was undetermined until they discovered the
custodian had sprayed the building with an "all purpose" insecticide. After
heated discussion between the parents and school board the schools in that
system are no longer sprayed with insecticides, mainly because the parents
were adamant that if the board members continued to permit that, the board
members would be held personally responsible, money wise.
Kimm
And Jason said :
> I'm very skeptical of this claim.
And still I would not be surprised Jason. Long ago in another life I did
research on tropical diseases (more specific Sleeping Sickness)
Trypanosomiasis or sleeping sickness is transmitted by TseTse flies, blood
sucking insects. One colleague of mine bred these flies in the laboratory
and he needed a regular supply of blood to keep the flies happy. One day he
could not get cows blood from the regular abattoir and so he went a bit
further afield and got fresh pigs blood. This blood wiped out every last fly
within minutes.
More recently there came a great many products on the market that do exactly
what Bunny claimed. One of these "Invermectine" is given to animals by
injection. A few cc's will kill all intestinal-lung and fluky worm
infections and will wipe out flees and lice and all other blood suckers that
come on the animal for months after. It is well documented that cowpats and
even urine from this animal will kill even the earthworms in the ground
underneath.
There exist even products now that are just poured in small doses over the
back of the animal. These migrate through the skin, are taken up by the
blood and delivered to all the tissues. Very easy to administer, supposedly
very safe but I saw one drop of the stuff spilled by a neighbor in a bucket
of water kill the man's two dogs that drank the water.
"I'd would wager that most chemicals we encounter in a given day aren't in
concentrations high enough to cause any ill effects."
A pity but this also is wrong : Many or most biocides are actually more
toxic in very small doses than in bigger quantities. Very many of these
chemicals act as hormone disrupters and they are more damaging when they
appear in very small quantities just as the real hormones appear in very
small quantities.
I am sure that I could find a few references if I really start looking but I
have enough to do without that too.
John
I am very pessimistic Moira. Over here the spin-doctors of the chemical
industry have made people believe that there is something unhealthy (dirty)
about natural growing green plants. Pesticides make a great job of "cleaning
up". Some misguided people even clean up stream beds that carry drinking
water to the town or their lawns where their children are playing.
One school where my children used to go had insecticides sprayed under the
carpet during play-time because one earwig had been found underneath it. My
children changed school next day but just about everyone called me eccentric
and not completely all there if I could stand an earwig but not the poison.
john
This is not at all like the Irish of my family! My mother used to sweep the dirt under a throw rug (back during the second world war this was!) and giggle and say, "Dirty Irish trick!"
Carol
> I noticed a long time ago that when a woman wearing heavy perfume
> passed by I found it just a little bit harder to breathe. That
> always passed quickly. Lower levels of odors never did bother me.
Jim because we never use any of this stuff we can smell our neighbor coming
up the road from several hundred yards away. We can make a distinction
whether a car that passes on the road up to about 50 yards away uses
unleaded or leaded.
I suppose my family is really spoiled that way because even a whiff of
deodorant left after a person who used it left our house an hour before
almost turned stomachs.
Smells of horses and cattle, dogs and ferrets don't bother us at all.
john
What does this forebode for composting cowpats and other manure from
animals treated with this type of chemical? It's probably from Dow
Agrochemical, who gave (sold) us the herbicides Picloram (resident for ten
years and more) and Clopyralid resident for at least three years in
compost. Animals which graze on pastures treated with either then excrete
solid or liquid versions of that herbicide. Margaret L, who has little
hope for the long-term survival of humans, long-term getting shorter by the day
Margaret wrote:
From what I can scrape off the Web, Ivermectin itself is made by Merial
Company, whoever they are. It's particularly used on horses, and as
heartworm treatment for dogs. It supposedly breaks down mostly in the
animal's body, then completely degrades upon exposure to sunlight within a
few days.
Colorado State U. discusses the use of horse manure in vermicomposting here:
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/livestk/01224.html
The upshot of the info I've found is: compost fresh manure before using it
for any purpose, and you'll be okay.
Jason
Jason, if you'll Google Clopyralid and/or Picloram, you'll find out that
composting fresh manure and having it "be okay" takes years if the animal
has been grazing on pastures treated with either of these
substances. Please do look it up, so you can see for yourself that we're
not being alarmists. Margaret L
Margaret wrote:
I know well about Clopyralid et al., and wasn't really addressing them,
though that may not have been clear. My comment was directed at Ivermectin
specifically - whether the claims of neutralization through composting are
true I know not, but that's the apparent consensus.
What I don't know is - can clopyralid/picloram even be purchased by regular
retail customers? I'm under the impression that they're generally used by
farmers and other licensed applicator types. That's problem enough I
suppose, since that amounts to a considerable volume of material.
Jason
I can see that the load of cow manure we got about 10 years ago, my daughter and I, and tried and tried to compost, using every trick one can use when making compost, must have been full of something or other!
It was so bad that when we were carting it in the wheelbarrow to the compost heap we were discussing how strange this manure was, how it didn't resemble ordinary cow manure, looked more thin and watery...
Now I know...
Carol
(Margaret, don't you have any hope that farmers will wise up, at least in Europe. They are a bit wiser, or the EU is a bit wiser perhaps.)
Unfortunately I was the only father to take offense. This morning I was
walking over the square in Bantry town where there is a mart every Friday. A
worker of the County Council was actually spraying little weeds and grass
growing between the pave stones with people brushing past him and children
playing. All around the stalls of little farmers selling organic vegetables
and herbs and nobody but nobody made a remark out loud. The consensus seems
to be that green is dirty and that poison makes it clean.
john
> Ah. A light striketh.
> John wrote:
> One school where my children used to go had insecticides sprayed under
the
> carpet during play-time because one earwig had been found underneath it.
> One of our schools had a fairly large number of children have acute asthma
> attacks one morning and the cause was undetermined until they discovered
the
> custodian had sprayed the building with an "all purpose" insecticide.
After
> This is not at all like the Irish of my family! My mother used to sweep
the dirt under a throw rug (back during the second world war this was!) and
giggle and say, "Dirty Irish trick!"
> Carol
Things change. All the gigglers left?
john
Jason Quick wrote all too quickly:
<
as heartworm treatment for dogs. It supposedly breaks down mostly in the
animal's body, then completely degrades upon exposure to sunlight within
a few days.>>
The name of Ivermectin's manufacturer is Merck & Co., Inc.
http://www.who.int/inf-fs/en/fact095.html
There is some information in an article from the American Board of
Veterinary Toxicology on Ivermectin, about the toxicity of this chemical
compound entitled, Ivermectin Toxicosis. http://www.abvt.org/iverm.html
''Clinical Signs: mydriasis; depression ; coma ; tremors ; ataxia ;
stupor ' emesis ; drooling ; death. Mydriasis is the dilation of the
pupils. "Ataxia: Wobbliness. Ataxia is incoordination and unsteadiness
due to the brain's failure to regulate the body's posture and regulate
the strength and direction of limb movements. Ataxia is usually a
consequence of disease in the brain, specifically in the cerebellum
which lies beneath the back part of the cerebrum. ''
< http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?li=MNI&ArticleKey#75 >
'Note: Convulsions & seizures are NOT commonly associated with
Ivermection toxicosis. Ivermectin is a GABA agonist, which will
increase the effects of inhibitory neural pathways in the CNS leading to
depression and stupor.''
Mode of Action:
''Ivermectin is an agonist for the neurotransmitter gamma-aminobutyric
acid (GABA). GABA is a major inhibitory neurotransmitter. In mammals,
GABA-containing neurons and receptors are found in the Central Nervous
System; while in arthropods and nematodes GABA is found primarily in the
Peripheral Nervous System (neuromuscular junction).''
''This difference in location of GABA receptor may be the reason for the
large margin of safety of ivermectin-containing products in mammals.
The binding of ivermectin to a neuronal membrane increases the release
of GABA. GABA binds to the GABA receptor-chloride channel complex of
postsynaptic neuronal membranes causing an influx of chloride ions. The
influx of chloride ions hyperpolarize the neuronal membrane making them
less excitatory and decreasing nerve transmission. The hyperpolarization
of neuronal membranes (at the NMJ) mediate a flaccid paralysis in
arthropods and nematodes.. . ''
FULL ARTICLE at http://www.abvt.org/iverm.html
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Deaths associated with ivermectin treatment of scabies
The Lancet v.349, 19apr97
Robert Barkwell, Suzanne Shields
Wentworth Lodge is a 210 bed fully accredited long-term care facility,
affiliated as a clinical teaching unit with the Faculty of Health
Sciences, McMaster University. Within the Lodge, there is a 47-bed
closed unit for residents with behavioural problems or wandering
tendencies: most, though not all, are demented. Residents in this unit
are younger (mean age 73-4 years on admission, versus 83-8 for other
areas) and physically healthier than residents in the rest of the Lodge.
From June to November, 1995, there was an outbreak of scabies on this
ward, which we were unable to control with any of the usual topical
agents. All residents were treated with crotamiton (July 7, 1995) and
lindane (Aug 7, 1995). Several individuals with symptoms repeated
topical applications of lindane and/or permethrin. Finally, on Nov 10,
1995, all residents were treated with a single oral dose of ivermectin
(150-200 ??g/kg of body weight). Within 5 days, all rashes and symptoms
had cleared and no further treatment was needed.
Monthly number of deaths in ivermectin and control groups
FULL STORY AT:
http://www.mindfully.org/Health/Ivermectin-Deaths-Scabies.htm:
Jason Quick wrote all too quickly: <
degrades upon exposure to sunlight within a few days.>>
Once the chemical has broken down, the metabolites appears to be MORE,
NOT LESS TOXIC to have caused such health damaging effects. But it
seems to me, that the breakdown products --the metabolites -- are often
more toxic.
If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is. Look at DDT, DDE,
for example.
http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/DDT-Early-Birth.htm >
They could until this spring, and the general way the government
regulations prohibit chemicals is to let merchants sell off all of their
remaining stock before the prohibition takes effect. Since the state of
Washington banned the use of Clopyralid on private property because of the
damage caused to the commercial composting business in that state, Dow
Agrosciences have said they are no longer recommending its use on private
property. But the Idaho Dept of Agriculture has told me that lawn
companies will be allowed to use up what stock they have on hand. I just
haven't checked garden stores to see if they're still selling it.
It is still used by farmers and by the Forest Service (Picloram too),
especially on land that will be grazed by cattle and/or horses and
llamas. That renders suspect the use of those animal manures in
compost. Margaret L
Aren't they drinking anymore? I was in Ireland only a week, in 1968, and most young people sort of looked like American rednecks or hillbillies. Awfully nice though.
Carol
Carol Jensen wrote:
> Aren't they drinking anymore? I was in Ireland only a week, in 1968, and
> most young people sort of looked like American rednecks or hillbillies.
*ahem*
Well, it would stand to reason (to a certain extent) that some Irish folks
would bear a resemblance to the hill folk and suchlike of the American
Midwest and South, seeing as how many many of those families descend in some
fashion from the earlier Irish or Scots-Irish in my case) who came to North
America.
My family is one of those, in fact. I can trace my maternal ancestry to one
Thomas McCall in Maryland in the 1720s. My family came from there through
Indiana and Kentucky to Iowa.
Jason
> My comment was directed at Ivermectin
> specifically - whether the claims of neutralization through composting are
> true I know not, but that's the apparent consensus.
No Consensus there either Jason. Anybody using Invermectin looses the
organic lisence immediately. It is known to be active for at least 6 months
after excretion and perhaps much longer.
> What I don't know is - can clopyralid/picloram even be purchased by
regular
> retail customers? I'm under the impression that they're generally used by
> farmers and other licensed applicator types. That's problem enough I
> suppose, since that amounts to a considerable volume of material.
Anybody who walks into a farm coop can buy any poison he wants. It is money
right. If need be act like a farmer and you will probably get some extra
poison free.
john
Bunny Snow wrote:
[...]
Cherry-picking data is intellectually dishonest. Note this from the same
page:
" - Dogs are usually intoxicated with ivermectin from the inappropriate,
extra-labeled use of cattle, sheep or horse product.
- Well-intentioned, yet uninformed, owners may "worm" the dog with a
large animal formulation.
- Any species may be affected if the dose is large enough to penetrate the
Blood-Brain-Barrier."
Or this:
"The following doses of ivermectin are those reported in the literature that
cause clinical signs (most commonly ataxia or depression).
Cattle: 4 - 8 mg/kg (20 - 40 times the therapeutic dose)
Horses: 2 mg/kg (10 times the therapeutic dose)
Pigs: 30 mg/kg (100 times the therapeutic dose) [...]"
If you're going to cite a page, you have to cite the stuff that supports you
as well as the stuff that maybe militates against your argument. Otherwise
you're doing what you accuse industry of doing - slanting the data to
support your viewpoint.
Then this:
> Deaths associated with ivermectin treatment of scabies
In the USA, ivermectin is not approved for treatment of scabies. It is
approved to treat a couple of nasty parasitic diseases that one might
contract in the tropics, one of them being river blindness. Judging from
the descriptions of river blindness I've seen, I'd much rather be dosed with
ivermectin than suffer from that truly horrible disease.
Like many drugs, the stuff is dangerous if used other than as directed or
for purposes for which it's not intended. It most certainly isn't intended
for human beings. It certainly isn't to be part of an organic farming or
livestock operation, but it pales in significance next to clopyralid or
picloram, or DDT for that matter.
Incidentally, further research of my own clearly supports the poisonous
cow-pie thing...the overwhelming majority of ivermectin in an animal's
system is passed out through feces, and can still kill worms and bugs for
several days after. So score one the Truth there.
> Jason Quick wrote all too quickly: <
> degrades upon exposure to sunlight within a few days.>>
I don't know where the first part of that quote ("It's amazing...") came
from, but I checked my postings, and I never wrote it. The last part I did,
and it's true. Lots of synthetic chemicals do break down quite quickly in
the presence of sunlight. What the products of that breakdown are may be a
problem, but the essential fact is correct.
Jason
The time to cry is when a person is born because they must face
the miseries of life for, if he is unlucky, 70 years. The time to be
happy is when a person goes to a better life in the hereafter.
---Jim allAn
200 miles Northwest of New York city
Inventor of the Dandelion Harvester
Follow this link to my website.
> Things change. All the gigglers left?
> john
> Aren't they drinking anymore? I was in Ireland only a week, in 1968, and
most young people sort of looked like American rednecks or hillbillies.
Awfully nice though.
> Carol
Ah the sixties... there is still drinking going on although the government
seems to be thinking of raising the minimum age to 24 now. But it is not so
nice anymore sometimes. There are places in Cork and probably also the other
big cities where you don't go out. People are stabbed or shot and sometimes
one hears of someone who has his nose or ears bitten off without any reason
at all, just walking the street.
john
Oh dear! I came from a moderate drinking Irish family, but they were always in a great mood. Strangely enough I don't drink myself aside from a cognac on a cold winter's eve.
Drinking really comes into its own at an Irish wake - I was at a couple of those in the fifties, though too young to drink. I thought it was a lovely custom to talk about the deceased and even make jokes, while getting drunk. No long faces there!
Carol
Jason wrote on 18/05:
The upshot of the info I've found is: compost fresh manure before using it
for any purpose, and you'll be okay.
Jason
That is not really my personal philosophy. I remember hearing it
or seeing it once and just thought I would relay the philosophy.
Correctly stated it is a little poetic. I doubt I repeated it
accurately enough to say I was poetic.
---Jim allAn
200 miles Northwest of New York city
Inventor of the Dandelion Harvester
Follow this link to my website.
> Drinking really comes into its own at an Irish wake - I was at a couple of
those in the fifties, though too young to drink. I thought it was a lovely
custom to talk about the deceased and even make jokes, while getting drunk.
No long faces there!
> Carol
That is another tradition that seems to have disappeared. Two old people I
knew died recently, both in an institution. Families don't seem to want the
trouble of relatives dying on them. Then before the shock as worn off,
within a matter of hours the corpse has a "removal". It goes from the
undertaker to the church and there are some public prayers for about an
hour. This is usually in the early evening. Then next day just after lunch
there is a mass and a quick burial.
As a non-native it looks to me that people here are in a big hurry to get
rid of the dead. Everything can be finished and done in less than 24 hours.
john
> The time to cry is when a person is born because they must face
> the miseries of life for, if he is unlucky, 70 years. The time to be
> happy is when a person goes to a better life in the hereafter.
OK Jim you are a worse pessimist than myself. Someone said that for those
who feel life is hell and for those who think there is a lot to laugh about.
I must belong to the second group because I can still smile. Really, I am
glad to be alive most of the time. And the best thing is that the best
things in life come absolutely free!
john
It's the "institution" part - the old couple were no longer part of society!
Also, the body was no longer with them - the burial was over and the wake held then all night long. I agree that it would be nice if one had a wide enough table to have the wake with the corpse right there. I would like that myself, and in Denmark one may make one's own coffin and drive the coffin to the graveyard oneself and even dig the grave, though that would be overdoing it, as it is included in the price of the grave.
Carol
Carol
Carol said :
> It's the "institution" part - the old couple were no longer part of
society!
I have thought about this and that can not be it. I remember old Jimmy
O'Regan's death at home. He died in the night and by mid afternoon he was
underground.
The family did get fairly apoplectic with drink afterwards and there was a
big fight at one stage between Conny and Rick and their female friends
because Conny as a younger son had gotten the farm.
john
I have to say that apart from the family fight John's experience of Irish
funerals has not been mine - even in his own part of Ireland. I went down
to West Cork where he lives for a funeral last year where an old person had
died in a nursing home. The home was actually very close to the family and
she had been visited all day, every day, by her relations while she was in
the home and was brought home and laid out in her own former bedroom for
the wake, with the coffin open and beautifully banked up with flowers.
It is true that funerals follow death very quickly - this was the day after
her death and she was buried the following morning. But this has a lot to
do with traditional Irish beliefs about the link between the soul and the
body and the belief that the soul clings close to the body after death for
a while and cannot pass on until the funeral. Which is why you tell silly
stories about the dead at funerals - they are listening.
Funerals in this part of the world all seem to follow that same pattern - a
neighbour died in hospital a few weeks ago and was brought home and laid
out in the traditional style and we all got busy making sandwiches to feed
an army - which duly arrived. A very great deal of whiskey was sunk but no
one seemed to get drunk or quarrelsome and "the craic was mighty". Half the
town was in church for the removal and came back to the house after and the
other half followed the coffin to the churchyard and came back to the house
after.
kathryn
Carol Jensen wrote:
> Also, the body was no longer with them - the burial was over and the wake held then all night long. I agree that it would be nice if one had a wide enough table to have the wake with the corpse right there. I would like that myself, and in Denmark one may make one's own coffin and drive the coffin to the graveyard oneself and even dig the grave, though that would be overdoing it, as it is included in the price of the grave.
A fellow-parishioner of ours, a hard worker for the church and a real
handyman around the place when there were "things to be done", when he
found he had terminal cancer, he asked a retired wood-worker (another
hard worker for the Parish) to make his coffin for him as a special last
favour! He had a beautiful coffin!
It is legal in NZ too to do most of those things you mention, although I
do not think you are allowed to dig the grave.
Tony
--
Tony & Moira Ryan,
Wainuiomata, North Island, NZ. Pictures of our garden at:-
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/cherie1/Garden/TonyandMoira/index.htm
and she was buried the following morning. But this has a lot to
Guess what, Kathryn, I believe the same, though I didn't know the Irish did!
Carol
> Half the
> town was in church for the removal and came back to the house after and
the
> other half followed the coffin to the churchyard and came back to the
house
> after.
> kathryn
The home is no longer the place where people meet socially instead they go
to the pub. Replace home by pub in your description Kathryn and then you
have a normal West Cork Funeral. The pub will provide the sandwiches and the
drink.
Seemingly the only time that a gathering takes place in a private home is
for "The Stations"; a Catholic religious gathering with a priest doing mass.
This is in remembrance of the times that masses were forbidden by the
English/Protestant oppressors. For this the whole house is scrubbed and
repainted and sometimes completely refurbished. These preparations cost a
fortune and sometimes take months. People take turns doing this but it only
happens twice or perhaps three times in any given year in a neighborhood of
townlands.
I just thought of the probable reason that a funeral could not be held at
home and that is the huge number of cars that are involved. One can always
recognise that a funeral is in the process of taking place if a village or
town along one's route is impassable with the amount of traffic. Cars double
and treble parked on the double yellow line and more backing and maneuvering
to squeeze into minute places spells funeral here.
The narrow roads of rural West Cork would be blocked for days if a few
hundred people congregated at a private home.
It is in the towns and villages that you have the parking space, the funeral
home, the church and the pubs all together. It is the only convenient
option.
John
But round here the owners of the house tend to volunteer at least partly
because they have been intending to redecorate/refurbish anyway and the
Stations are seen as a sort of religious housewarming party. It seems to be
getting rarer and rarer.
