fern question

updated wed 31 may 00

Penny Nielsen on mon 29 may 00

Noticed that my fiddlehead ferns (sorry I can't remember the botanical =
name) have really been spreading. In this bed I have hostas, astillbes, =
ligularia and common bleeding hearts. A couple have really started =
invading the hostas - like an inch or 2 from the new growth which is just =
starting in this bed, or at least with Royal Standard. Not sure if I =
should dig up the fern or will the hosta just compete and push the fern =
out of its way. How do other people manage with these rather unruly =
ferns?

Penny in Halifax, N.S.

Karen Barker on mon 29 may 00

Judging by my experience, the ferns will take over. Dig them up and
plant them somewhere else. You'll probably have to continue doing that.
If ferns have the right conditions, they can be very determined
spreaders.

Karen in zone 6/5b
Pittsburgh, PA
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bad poetry."

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Margaret Lauterbach on tue 30 may 00

> I agree with Karen. I only grow ferns where I want nothing else to grow.

> Esther

I wonder whether ferns would squeeze out Bishop's weed. Margaret L

Tammy Jones on tue 30 may 00

Sigh..... if only I had such a problem. I have native ferns in my wooded
area that grow quite well. Yet I **LONG** for big, huge clumps of ostrich
ferns!!! I really like them - they just don't like me. :>(.

Tammy
Zone 5b

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Esther Czekalski on tue 30 may 00

I agree with Karen. I only grow ferns where I want nothing else to grow.

Esther

Karen Barker @LSV.UKY.EDU> on 05/29/2000 08:48:26 PM

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Judging by my experience, the ferns will take over. Dig them up and
plant them somewhere else. You'll probably have to continue doing that.
If ferns have the right conditions, they can be very determined
spreaders.

Karen in zone 6/5b
Pittsburgh, PA
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bad poetry."

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Esther Czekalski on tue 30 may 00

Well, they don't squeeze out wild berry bushes:-(

Esther
slightly scratched after a long weekend of weeding; most of it berry
bushes. Even out of the evergreens (I figure bird poop delivered them
there).

margaret lauterbach @LSV.UKY.EDU> on 05/30/2000 12:46:40
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> I agree with Karen. I only grow ferns where I want nothing else to grow.

> Esther

I wonder whether ferns would squeeze out Bishop's weed. Margaret L

Dorsett on tue 30 may 00

Bracken ferns have proven alleopathic qualities, and I assume other ferns do
to some extent.

I have some ferns that came with the house...dunno quite what, but they
manage to muscle out everything in their path, even the dandelions that
manage to grow everywhere else.

I'm with Esther -- grow ferns by themselves, *unless* they've been proven as
reasonably companionable in other gardens. (Japanese Painted ferns seem to
do well enough without bully tendencies in combination plantings, for
instance.)

Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsett@blueriver.net
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Karen Barker on tue 30 may 00

Aegopodium? Yep, they make it too, too shady. At least ostrich ferns
do. I had some (aegopodium) planted with the ferns when I first planted
the ones my MIL gave me--no longer. Every year I have to dig up ferns
because they keep spreading into other areas. They already have their
own big area and in August when they die back from lack of water it looks
terrible, but I can't get anything to coexist with them.

Karen in zone 6/5b
Pittsburgh, PA

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Karen Barker on tue 30 may 00

If other ferns grow, the ostrich ones should too. I mean mine are even
growing in clay--it's the moisture that's important. Unless it's total,
total shade, like maybe under a pine tree--they might not like that.
I've found that ostrich ferns tolerate much more sun than other ferns.

Karen in zone 6/5b
Pittsburgh, PA

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Karen Barker on tue 30 may 00

Yes, I've noticed that because I have some Japanese Painted ferns with my
astilbe in a different area and they are very polite--no problems and
they've been together 4 years now. I wish they would spread because
they're pretty, but they are in a not real wet spot.

Karen in zone 6/5b
Pittsburgh, PA

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Penny Nielsen on wed 31 may 00

Thanks Karen, Esther and Barb for your responses. I guess I'll have to =
remove the other plants come fall. Not enough time now and I don't have =
another place ready to plant them into. I have spaces I want to fill, but =
it means digging and removing tons of stones and I don't think DH is ready =
to tackle digging another bed.

Penny

> d-k-barker@JUNO.COM 05/30/00 06:46PM >>>
Yes, I've noticed that because I have some Japanese Painted ferns with my
astilbe in a different area and they are very polite--no problems and
they've been together 4 years now. I wish they would spread because
they're pretty, but they are in a not real wet spot.

Karen in zone 6/5b
Pittsburgh, PA

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