Was checking out Vesey's website from PEI and noticed Allium 'Giganteum' =
but they want $17.95 for 3 bulbs. This sounds very expensive to me. I've =
never paid that much for any of my other allium. Are these a fairly =
common allium? I know Brenda Pink said she had some. Anyone know whats a =
reasonable price to pay. The bulbs are 20+ cm in circumference. Think =
they had some eremus.
Penny
Hi penny, again... :?)
I bought three bulbs with a twenty dollar gift certificate a couple
years ago and I didn't get much change. Maybe a dollar. the first year
they were spectacular but sinec they have gone steadily down hill. Only
one bloomed this year and was about the size of a drumstick allium.
Disappointing. I was looking at the really big ones in the newer
McFaydens bulb catalogue. Haven't decided how to finance a stand of
those.I was told this spring that I have to cut back on the gardening
and anything strenous so I have to really do some
replanning...especially after gearing up to open the greenhouse last
year. I refuse to give up altogether, though. They can bury me out there
if it comes to that. Marg
Penny Nielsen wrote:
Great attitude Marg. Well that's disappointing to hear. By the big ones, =
do you mean Allium Christophii? They aren't nearly as expensive as the =
giganteum. I had quite a few purple sensation and finally split them up =
last fall. They were too crowded. I put some in different beds to see =
how they would do. Some maintained their deep purple while others became =
much more of a mauve. They have done well in most spots tho. I took some =
seeds off of one of them last fall and just sowed them in one raised bed. =
They came up this spring, far too thickly, but, of course, will take some =
years no doubt to bloom. Will have to dig them and put them in the =
'nursery' bed if I ever get around to removing the plants that are already =
there. Just wish I had labelled the seeds tho. Planned to do it but =
forgot. Oh well, surprises are good. I could send you some of these =
seeds if you like. Also of the Christophii. Email me directly.
Penny
> mmillard@NS.SYMPATICO.CA 06/22/00 05:42PM >>>
Hi penny, again... :?)
I bought three bulbs with a twenty dollar gift certificate a couple
years ago and I didn't get much change. Maybe a dollar. the first year
they were spectacular but sinec they have gone steadily down hill. Only
one bloomed this year and was about the size of a drumstick allium.
Disappointing. I was looking at the really big ones in the newer
McFaydens bulb catalogue. Haven't decided how to finance a stand of
those.I was told this spring that I have to cut back on the gardening
and anything strenous so I have to really do some
replanning...especially after gearing up to open the greenhouse last
year. I refuse to give up altogether, though. They can bury me out there
if it comes to that. Marg
Penny Nielsen wrote:
> Was checking out Vesey's website from PEI and noticed Allium 'Giganteum' =
but they want $17.95 for 3 bulbs. This sounds very expensive to me. I've =
never paid that much for any of my other allium. Are these a fairly =
common allium? I know Brenda Pink said she had some. Anyone know whats a =
reasonable price to pay. The bulbs are 20+ cm in circumference. Think =
they had some eremus.
I'm sure you can get them cheaper than that. They are worth it....blooms are a little denser than christophii and they do grow taller than christophii. They come out a tiny bit earlier (hence why mine got a touch of frost, whilc the christophii were fine). Try McFayden's (sp?) out of Brandon, i think.
Brenda
Penny Nielsen wrote:
Thanks Brenda. Used to get their catalogue, but don't think I do anymore. =
Maybe they have a site.
Penny
> pinkbm@HOME.COM 06/22/00 08:27PM >>>
I'm sure you can get them cheaper than that. They are worth it....blooms =
are a little denser than christophii and they do grow taller than =
christophii. They come out a tiny bit earlier (hence why mine got a touch =
of frost, whilc the christophii were fine). Try McFayden's (sp?) out of =
Brandon, i think.
Brenda
Penny Nielsen wrote:
> Was checking out Vesey's website from PEI and noticed Allium 'Giganteum' =
but they want $17.95 for 3 bulbs. This sounds very expensive to me. I've =
never paid that much for any of my other allium. Are these a fairly =
common allium? I know Brenda Pink said she had some. Anyone know whats a =
reasonable price to pay. The bulbs are 20+ cm in circumference. Think =
they had some eremus.
Got McFaydens in the mail today (timely!). 15 bulbs for $15. Their web site is www.mcfayden.com
Brenda
Brenda Pink wrote:
Though the "giganteum" bulbs are pricey, I think they are worth the cost. I have collected six over the years among my other alliums and those huge blooms are just head turners.
Jackie
Iowa
Penny Nielsen wrote:
I purchased 3 of these bulbs and never got a thing. One year I saw the
foliage, but then nothing. Can too much rain cause a problem with bulb
rotting? If I remember correctly, the spring following the planting was
very wet.
Pauline
Wilmington, NC
Gardening Zone 8
pauline@ec.rr.com
I have collected six over the years among my other alliums and those huge
blooms are just head turners.
the price difference I'll show patience.
> Penny
> pinkbm@HOME.COM 06/23/00 11:22PM >>>
> Got McFaydens in the mail today (timely!). 15 bulbs for $15. Their web
site is www.mcfayden.com
it....blooms are a little denser than christophii and they do grow taller
than christophii. They come out a tiny bit earlier (hence why mine got a
touch of frost, whilc the christophii were fine). Try McFayden's (sp?) out
of Brandon, i think.
'Giganteum' but they want $17.95 for 3 bulbs. This sounds very expensive to
me. I've never paid that much for any of my other allium. Are these a
fairly common allium? I know Brenda Pink said she had some. Anyone know
whats a reasonable price to pay. The bulbs are 20+ cm in circumference.
Think they had some eremus.
Thanks Brenda. The bulb size is a bit smaller than Vesey's , but for the =
price difference I'll show patience.
Penny
> pinkbm@HOME.COM 06/23/00 11:22PM >>>
Got McFaydens in the mail today (timely!). 15 bulbs for $15. Their web =
site is www.mcfayden.com
Brenda
Brenda Pink wrote:
> I'm sure you can get them cheaper than that. They are worth it....blooms=
are a little denser than christophii and they do grow taller than =
christophii. They come out a tiny bit earlier (hence why mine got a touch =
of frost, whilc the christophii were fine). Try McFayden's (sp?) out of =
Brandon, i think.
' but they want $17.95 for 3 bulbs. This sounds very expensive to me. I've =
never paid that much for any of my other allium. Are these a fairly =
common allium? I know Brenda Pink said she had some. Anyone know whats a =
reasonable price to pay. The bulbs are 20+ cm in circumference. Think =
they had some eremus.
It also maybe our climate---not cold enough in the winters. I can get
tulips to come up but for us they are annuals. Actually, I planted tulips
in January this year and they were pretty so if I can find some real bargan
bulbs at the end of the season, I will do it again.
Pauline
Wilmington, NC
Gardening Zone 8
pauline@ec.rr.com
I would say yes Pauline, if your drainage isn't good enough. Not sure if
rodents go for allium. We had a very wet spring this year and, actually,
do fairly often, but no problems with the bulbs. I've tried growing
Fritallaria, as has my neighbour, and not even a green leaf or blade
appeared.
I'd try again as they really are worth it.
Penny
> pauline@EC.RR.COM 06/26/00 10:40AM >>>
I purchased 3 of these bulbs and never got a thing. One year I saw the
foliage, but then nothing. Can too much rain cause a problem with bulb
rotting? If I remember correctly, the spring following the planting was
very wet.
Pauline
Wilmington, NC
Gardening Zone 8
pauline@ec.rr.com
I have collected six over the years among my other alliums and those huge
blooms are just head turners.
the price difference I'll show patience.
> Penny
> pinkbm@HOME.COM 06/23/00 11:22PM >>>
> Got McFaydens in the mail today (timely!). 15 bulbs for $15. Their web
site is www.mcfayden.com
it....blooms are a little denser than christophii and they do grow taller
than christophii. They come out a tiny bit earlier (hence why mine got a
touch of frost, whilc the christophii were fine). Try McFayden's (sp?) out
of Brandon, i think.
'Giganteum' but they want $17.95 for 3 bulbs. This sounds very expensive to
me. I've never paid that much for any of my other allium. Are these a
fairly common allium? I know Brenda Pink said she had some. Anyone know
whats a reasonable price to pay. The bulbs are 20+ cm in circumference.
Think they had some eremus.
I don't mind the price Jackie. Haven't come across an allium that I don't =
like. Noticed the Shubertii (sp?) one on McFayden's site. Has anyone =
grown this - experiences, please.
Penny
> jackiewe@HOME.COM 06/26/00 09:55AM >>>
Though the "giganteum" bulbs are pricey, I think they are worth the cost. =
I have collected six over the years among my other alliums and those huge =
blooms are just head turners.
Jackie
Iowa
Penny Nielsen wrote:
> Thanks Brenda. The bulb size is a bit smaller than Vesey's , but for =
the price difference I'll show patience.
> Penny
> pinkbm@HOME.COM 06/23/00 11:22PM >>>
> Got McFaydens in the mail today (timely!). 15 bulbs for $15. Their web =
site is www.mcfayden.com
ms are a little denser than christophii and they do grow taller than =
christophii. They come out a tiny bit earlier (hence why mine got a touch =
of frost, whilc the christophii were fine). Try McFayden's (sp?) out of =
Brandon, i think.
'Giganteum' but they want $17.95 for 3 bulbs. This sounds very expensive =
to me. I've never paid that much for any of my other allium. Are these a =
fairly common allium? I know Brenda Pink said she had some. Anyone know =
whats a reasonable price to pay. The bulbs are 20+ cm in circumference. =
Think they had some eremus.
I would say yes Pauline, if your drainage isn't good enough. Not sure if =
rodents go for allium. We had a very wet spring this year and, actually, =
do fairly often, but no problems with the bulbs. I've tried growing =
Fritallaria, as has my neighbour, and not even a green leaf or blade =
appeared.
I'd try again as they really are worth it.
Penny
> pauline@EC.RR.COM 06/26/00 10:40AM >>>
I purchased 3 of these bulbs and never got a thing. One year I saw the
foliage, but then nothing. Can too much rain cause a problem with bulb
rotting? If I remember correctly, the spring following the planting was
very wet.
Pauline
Wilmington, NC
Gardening Zone 8
pauline@ec.rr.com
cost.
I have collected six over the years among my other alliums and those huge
blooms are just head turners.
the price difference I'll show patience.
> Penny
> pinkbm@HOME.COM 06/23/00 11:22PM >>>
> Got McFaydens in the mail today (timely!). 15 bulbs for $15. Their =
web
site is www.mcfayden.com
it....blooms are a little denser than christophii and they do grow taller
than christophii. They come out a tiny bit earlier (hence why mine got a
touch of frost, whilc the christophii were fine). Try McFayden's (sp?) =
out
of Brandon, i think.
'Giganteum' but they want $17.95 for 3 bulbs. This sounds very expensive =
to
me. I've never paid that much for any of my other allium. Are these a
fairly common allium? I know Brenda Pink said she had some. Anyone know
whats a reasonable price to pay. The bulbs are 20+ cm in circumference.
Think they had some eremus.
They will do better in a drier spot. They're just like any onion or garlic -
they don't like being wet all the time, or they will indeed rot.
Brenda in Lethbridge
Pauline wrote:
Did you know they also make wonderful cut flowers? Last for several days in a vase. Took one to work in a bouquet and everyone was asking what that beautiful purple flower was.
Brenda in Lethbridge
Penny Nielsen wrote:
Speaking of alliums Penny. Feeling a bit sheepish. Mine are NOT christophii!! They are Sensation. Hence the higher height! Mystery explained.
Brenda in lethbridge
Penny Nielsen wrote:
I've brought them into work too and everyone asked what it was. I still =
have a dried A. Christophii sitting on my desk from last year.
Penny
> pinkbm@HOME.COM 06/27/00 01:24AM >>>
Did you know they also make wonderful cut flowers? Last for several days =
in a vase. Took one to work in a bouquet and everyone was asking what =
that beautiful purple flower was.
Brenda in Lethbridge
Penny Nielsen wrote:
> I don't mind the price Jackie. Haven't come across an allium that I =
don't like. Noticed the Shubertii (sp?) one on McFayden's site. Has =
anyone grown this - experiences, please.
> Penny
> jackiewe@HOME.COM 06/26/00 09:55AM >>>
> Though the "giganteum" bulbs are pricey, I think they are worth the =
cost. I have collected six over the years among my other alliums and =
those huge blooms are just head turners.
the price difference I'll show patience.
> Penny
> pinkbm@HOME.COM 06/23/00 11:22PM >>>
> Got McFaydens in the mail today (timely!). 15 bulbs for $15. Their =
web site is www.mcfayden.com
it....blooms are a little denser than christophii and they do grow taller =
than christophii. They come out a tiny bit earlier (hence why mine got a =
touch of frost, whilc the christophii were fine). Try McFayden's (sp?) =
out of Brandon, i think.
'Giganteum' but they want $17.95 for 3 bulbs. This sounds very expensive =
to me. I've never paid that much for any of my other allium. Are these a =
fairly common allium? I know Brenda Pink said she had some. Anyone know =
whats a reasonable price to pay. The bulbs are 20+ cm in circumference. =
Think they had some eremus.
You really should try the Christophii then Brenda. The dried one at the =
office is about 8 inches across. Some are a little smaller. I love the =
purple sensation too. Still have one or 2 that are blooming.
Penny
> pinkbm@HOME.COM 06/27/00 01:33AM >>>
Speaking of alliums Penny. Feeling a bit sheepish. Mine are NOT =
christophii!! They are Sensation. Hence the higher height! Mystery =
explained.
Brenda in lethbridge
Penny Nielsen wrote:
> I would say yes Pauline, if your drainage isn't good enough. Not sure =
if rodents go for allium. We had a very wet spring this year and, =
actually, do fairly often, but no problems with the bulbs. I've tried =
growing Fritallaria, as has my neighbour, and not even a green leaf or =
blade appeared.
cost.
> I have collected six over the years among my other alliums and those =
huge
for
web
taller
> than christophii. They come out a tiny bit earlier (hence why mine got =
a
> touch of frost, whilc the christophii were fine). Try McFayden's (sp?) =
out
to
> me. I've never paid that much for any of my other allium. Are these a
> fairly common allium? I know Brenda Pink said she had some. Anyone =
know
I have the Sensation too, and get lots of positive comments on them each
year. I think I may try the giganteum this fall. I have a perfect (and
empty in spring) space for them. McConnel Nurseries also has them on
for $14.95 for 15.
http://www.mcconnell.ca/products.php3?pid=1708
It also advises in their catalogue (for alliums) for longer blooming
periods, plant in spots that do not receive direct midday sunlight.
Julie
Barrie, Ontario
Zone 5
Brenda Pink wrote:
Thanks Julie - I did get their catalogue too but as I haven't ordered =
anything they may have dropped me from the list. Are they out of =
Ontario?
Penny
> ferjm@HOME.COM 06/27/00 11:37AM >>>
I have the Sensation too, and get lots of positive comments on them each
year. I think I may try the giganteum this fall. I have a perfect (and
empty in spring) space for them. McConnel Nurseries also has them on
for $14.95 for 15.
http://www.mcconnell.ca/products.php3?pid=3D1708
It also advises in their catalogue (for alliums) for longer blooming
periods, plant in spots that do not receive direct midday sunlight.
Julie
Barrie, Ontario
Zone 5
Brenda Pink wrote:
> Speaking of alliums Penny. Feeling a bit sheepish. Mine are NOT =
christophii!! They are Sensation. Hence the higher height! Mystery =
explained.
if rodents go for allium. We had a very wet spring this year and, =
actually, do fairly often, but no problems with the bulbs. I've tried =
growing Fritallaria, as has my neighbour, and not even a green leaf or =
blade appeared.
the
> foliage, but then nothing. Can too much rain cause a problem with =
bulb
> rotting? If I remember correctly, the spring following the planting =
was
cost.
> I have collected six over the years among my other alliums and those =
huge
for
Their web
taller
> than christophii. They come out a tiny bit earlier (hence why mine =
got a
> touch of frost, whilc the christophii were fine). Try McFayden's =
(sp?) out
expensive to
> me. I've never paid that much for any of my other allium. Are these =
a
> fairly common allium? I know Brenda Pink said she had some. Anyone =
know
> whats a reasonable price to pay. The bulbs are 20+ cm in circumference=
.
Julie - I just checked out McFayden's again. Their site looks very =
similar to McConnells. I wonder if they are one and the same company.
Penny
> ferjm@HOME.COM 06/27/00 11:37AM >>>
I have the Sensation too, and get lots of positive comments on them each
year. I think I may try the giganteum this fall. I have a perfect (and
empty in spring) space for them. McConnel Nurseries also has them on
for $14.95 for 15.
http://www.mcconnell.ca/products.php3?pid=3D1708
It also advises in their catalogue (for alliums) for longer blooming
periods, plant in spots that do not receive direct midday sunlight.
Julie
Barrie, Ontario
Zone 5
Brenda Pink wrote:
> Speaking of alliums Penny. Feeling a bit sheepish. Mine are NOT =
christophii!! They are Sensation. Hence the higher height! Mystery =
explained.
if rodents go for allium. We had a very wet spring this year and, =
actually, do fairly often, but no problems with the bulbs. I've tried =
growing Fritallaria, as has my neighbour, and not even a green leaf or =
blade appeared.
the
> foliage, but then nothing. Can too much rain cause a problem with =
bulb
> rotting? If I remember correctly, the spring following the planting =
was
cost.
> I have collected six over the years among my other alliums and those =
huge
for
Their web
taller
> than christophii. They come out a tiny bit earlier (hence why mine =
got a
> touch of frost, whilc the christophii were fine). Try McFayden's =
(sp?) out
expensive to
> me. I've never paid that much for any of my other allium. Are these =
a
> fairly common allium? I know Brenda Pink said she had some. Anyone =
know
> whats a reasonable price to pay. The bulbs are 20+ cm in circumference=
.
Yes, they're in Strathroy, Ontario. Funny, though. Their
advertisements (catalogue setup) is exactly the same as (can't remember
the Alta. online catalogue that was posted here). Wonder if they're
affiliated?
Julie
Barrie, Ontario
Zone 5
--- Penny Nielsen
Julie
Barrie, Ontario
Zone 5
We're channeling, Penny. *G* (re my last message)
Julie
Barrie, Ontario
Zone 5
--- Penny Nielsen
Great minds think alike, fools ..........:-) I really suspect they are =
one and the same outfit. Sure shipping from Ontario is cheaper than =
Alberta. I'll check the site out more thoroughly when I get back.
Penny
> ferjm@HOME.COM 06/27/00 07:57PM >>>
We're channeling, Penny. *G* (re my last message)
Julie
Barrie, Ontario
Zone 5
--- Penny Nielsen
I have a question about my Gllobemaster alliums. I have had them for a
number of years and have noticed that I am getting smaller blooms each
year. Could they need to be divided? I've never divided my alliums,
but am now wondering if I should. Any ideas?
Jackie
Iowa
Thank you very much, sir. You are indeed a gentleman and a
scholar. Margaret L
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:56 PM
Subject: Alliums, was Re: Aliums
> I think I asked before, but I'll ask
again. Has anyone started Allium
> schubertii from seeds? Germination
guidelines on "manytimes" don't
> indicate anything special is required,
but I haven't had any
germination,
> and still have seeds from last year.
Any ideas what to try next?
Thanks,
> Margaret L
Dear Margaret:
Someone suggested you do a search of Alpine-L, but didn't furnish you
with the URL. It's:
http://listserv.surfnet.nl/archives/alpine-l.html
Here is a search, using the term "Allium schuberti". Notice that it
finds NOTHING.
http://nic.surfnet.nl/scripts/wa.exe?S2=alpine-l&q=Allium+schuberti&0=S&s=&f=&a=&b=
Because that search yields no information, I thought it might be useful
to do a slightly more sophisticated search, leaving out the word
"allium", just searching the word "schuberti". Note that I've also left
off the second "i" in "schubertii"; my reason is that many botanists
don't use the double-i in specific names. If you check the "substring
search" box on the Alpine-L search page, the search engine will find
both "schuberti" AND "schubertii". Here is the search on "schuberti":
http://nic.surfnet.nl/scripts/wa.exe?S2=alpine-l&q=schuberti&0=S&s=&f=&a=&b=
This second search yields two messages about Allium schuberti. We see
from this second search that the writer, in each of his two postings,
mentioned the word "Allium" quite a long way after in his messages after
he used the word "schuberti". This explains why the search engine
during the first search (when both search terms -- Allium schuberti --
were used) didn't find anything for "Allium schuberti."
You may ask "But doesn't a search on the single word "schuberti" run the
risk of turning up other genera with that name? Yes, of course, but
better to have too many citations than none at all. Luckily, no one on
Alpine-L has ever posted anything about a species named schuberti from
any other genus, although, according to IPNI (International Plant Names
Index), there is also Sternbergia schuberti:
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/IpniServlet?whole_name=&family=&infrafamily=&genus=&infragenus=&is_apni_record=on&species=schuberti&infraspecies=&is_gci_record=on&author_abbrev=&publication_title=&is_ik_record=on&include_authors=on&include_basionym_authors=on&query_type=by_query
If you want to post a question to Alpine-L about Allium schuberti, use:
http://listserv.surfnet.nl/archives/alpine-l.html
So that repliers will know how to temper their advice, please include in
your message your location and (in terms of hardiness zone or average
winter low temperature) your climate.
I am aware of the fact that although we have achieved success with the
simplest of all searches (the one-word search described above), some
GARDENS readers' eyes may have glazed over. Don't worry; I have
included this discussion of search theory only for those who are truly
interested in successful Internet searching. Remember also that a
search on the single substring "Allium" would also have turned up both
these messages, along with 484 others.
--
Harry Dewey
4605 Brandon Lane, Beltsville, Maryland USA 20705-2604
301-937-1446 Hardiness Zone 7a
Founder, Alpine-L, the Electronic Rock Garden Society
http://www.thealpinegarden.com/alpine-l.htm
Only 484! rotfl thank you for a good smile must be Firday
:)
Barbara M. Martin
Current Mid-Atlantic Garden Report: "Call Me Mulch Queen (Mulch Makes Good
Eats)"
http://nationalgardening.com/regional/report13.html
Now at Cottage Garden: "Mulching: Mimicry or Murder"
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/253/92387
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http://nic.surfnet.nl/scripts/wa.exe?S2=alpine-l&q=Allium+schuberti&0=S&s=&f
=&a=&b=
http://nic.surfnet.nl/scripts/wa.exe?S2=alpine-l&q=schuberti&0=S&s=&f=&a=&b=
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/IpniServlet?whole_name=&family=&infrafamily=&genus=
&infragenus=&is_apni_record=on&species=schuberti&infraspecies=&is_gci_record
=on&author_abbrev=&publication_title=&is_ik_record=on&include_authors=on&inc
lude_basionym_authors=on&query_type=by_query
There were severe storms and tornadoes through the state of Missouri last
night, but all is well for my area. We got (more) rain, though. It's all
wet, wet, wet. Puddles standing in the low spots.
I have a bunch of alliums, the 2-foot kind, in two beds. They look great
right now, in their peak. In years past, I had wanted the 4-foot kind, the
Giant Drumstick Allium. I tried to grow them in 3 different places, but
each year the bulbs rotted in the ground. Last fall I planted one by the
door, next to some tulips that were going in at the last minute. This one
is alive and well, and the flower bud is swelling. The irony is that of all
the places I tried growing it, the soil in this successful spot is the
worst. There used to be a sidewalk there, and the soil is thick clay with
leftover gravel, however with some small amount of compost worked in. Every
time I go through the door I can check on how it's doing.
--Kathy K, mid-Missouri
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I love these flowers. I planted a couple of varieties and last year
when they bloomed, I took a bouquet of mixed flowers into work,
including some alliums. The alliums were by far the longest lived cut
flower in the bouquet. A lot of people at work didn't know what they
were and they certainly got a lot of attention. I want to put a bunch
more in. My 'flower of the month".
Brenda
I have the giganteum - similar to you, it bloomed up till a couple years
ago, then seems to have disappeared now that I think of it. It never
multiplied. The ones in the picture are christophii (sp?). They've
definitely multiplied because I think I only started with 5 bulbs. Had
them a couple of years now, but will definitely be adding more. There's
a "new" one out (been around a few years) that has kind of dangly
flowers, will probably try that one. The giganteums were definitely
showy as my blooms were usually 5-6" across. The chistophii have kind
of star-like blooms - not unlike fireworks.
Brenda
Margaret E.Millard wrote:
which variety in particular? I love the drumsticks, myself but I tried the
biggies and they bloomed once and then not again. I dried the original
blooms and they lasted several years before I had to admit they were too
dusty to have around.
I have a dragon arum coming in my yard. I was given a bulb a couple falls
ago, nothing happened last year and now this year, after that winter, I have
plant growing. I can't remember who has them but I do remember trying to
find how far I should plant them from the house. I understand they are
odiferous!!
Marg
I'm wondering if it could be that the larger blooming alliums (if I
remember correctly, Globemaster is a large bloom) don't multiply as much
as the smaller ones. My Giganteums never had more than one bloom each.
I love the garden pic with the cat stretching on the sidewalk! You can
almost hear it thinking "it's sunny, life is good, master is nearby, sigh".
Brenda
Peg Goter wrote:
Ahhh, you have to read Silent Miaow.....cats LET us think they have
masters! :)
Brenda
Jim Lewis wrote:
Hi folks,
Well, speaking of alliums... I planted 6 Gladiator and one Globemaster in my
purple garden in the fall of 2002, and got one blossom each last spring, 3
of which bent over and broke (I guessed due to the cold, rainy spring?).
This year, 5 of the 6 Gladiators have 2 blossoms each. The Globemaster still
has only one.
You can see them at http://home.earthlink.net/~mgoter/id1.html . I think
they look pretty cool with the chives. I just finished updating my
website...its been 6 months since the last update, except for the update
when my Bradford Pear fell down, which some of you may have checked out.
This is the only gardeny page, but if anyone's interested, I made a page
with some pictures of my pottery, and 2 other pages just have some pictures
of my family, my kid and grandkid(s). Yup, I have a new grandchild, too...
Jacob Todd Whittington born to dh's daughter on April 17th. The pictures
show him from 4 days old to 11 days old.
Peg in RI
> I love the garden pic with the cat stretching on the sidewalk!
You can
> almost hear it thinking "it's sunny, life is good, master is
nearby, sigh".
CATS have "masters?" Not MY cats!
Jim Lewis - jklewis@nettally.com - Tallahassee, FL - Bonsaiests
are like genealogists: We know our roots!
Hi Brenda,
Could be the bigger ones don't multiply as much... Globemaster is supposed
to be much larger than the Gladiators, but the Gladiators aren't all that
small, either. I wasn't actually expecting any of them to multiply... so I'm
pretty psyched.
I'll pass along the compliment to Tim, the kitty. He's a great cat. Took
him from the shelter when he was about 9 months old, and he was a bit
hand-shy and, well... timid... Thus the name Timmy. He got over the shyness
pretty fast We also sometimes call him TIMMAY (the way the South Park
character pronounces his own name), and other times I think... "Some call
me... TIM!" for the Monty Python Holy Grail fans. He's very patient with
Paige, who is 5, and actually sleeps on her bed with her fairly often. Just
a big, goofy, cuddly cat.
Peg in RI
sigh".
I love your garden pics Peg. I can't believe how far ahead your garden has
come in such a short time. Our growing season is beginning now,We have
daffodils out, the forsythia is just finishing and the Japanese quince is
going to be spectacular this spring. I have a garden or two where I still
have bare ground and am wondering should I dig to see if stuff was killed or
just be patient. I see finally, the Jerusalem Artichoke is coming back. I
wasn't sure if I wanted it to or not but I have gotten used to it and it
does produce a pretty flower late into the fall. (I didn't plant it)
I love the alliums and the supervisor who seems to be on break.
my
> purple garden in the fall of 2002, and got one blossom each last spring, 3
> of which bent over and broke (I guessed due to the cold, rainy spring?).
> This year, 5 of the 6 Gladiators have 2 blossoms each. The Globemaster
still
pictures
Thanks Marg,
I started keeping a journal last year, and it seems like most of the garden
is coming along about the same as it did last year. I guess, for one thing,
I made an effort to make this particular (purple) garden start early. I've
got the grape hyacinths and tulips that bloom early. Some green comes from
Japanese iris leaves, and the chives that green up pretty early.
Even though most of RI is zone 6, here on Aquidneck Island, the water gives
us a bit of an edge into zone 7... so protected areas in my yard definitely
provide a warmer microclimate. My daffodils and forsythia were done over a
week ago.
As for bare ground...I was worried about my hibiscus, which I left
unprotected last winter, but finally noticed the new growth coming up a
couple of days ago. Patience, patience...
where you're expecting to see a familiar friend. I made a note about the
hibiscus in the journal this year, so next year I can look back and see when
to expect it to show up. If you've still got daffodils, I'd definitely give
your bare spots a bit more time to produce.
.... And I wish somebody would tell my "supervisor" that it is unprofessional
to wander into the middle of my gardens and flop over on my newly sprouting
perennials! He also has a tendency to chew on any wood remaining on
perennials that die off over the winter (like hibiscus and butterfly bush),
and he's been trying to rub himself against the new Harry Lauder Walking
Stick I just planted... so far it has only bent, and not broken or pulled
out of the ground. Good thing he's so cute and lovable...
Peg in RI
or
Just want to say that I find your web page very interesting. Nothing like
pictures for comparison year to year. The only problem is that I can't get
the
whole page to download. Would love to see the "friend" you picked up
for Timmy?
ann
think@francomm.com
> Thanks Marg,
> I started keeping a journal last year, and it seems like most of the
garden
> is coming along about the same as it did last year. I guess, for one
thing,
> I made an effort to make this particular (purple) garden start early.
I've
> got the grape hyacinths and tulips that bloom early. Some green comes from
> Japanese iris leaves, and the chives that green up pretty early.
> Even though most of RI is zone 6, here on Aquidneck Island, the water
gives
> us a bit of an edge into zone 7... so protected areas in my yard
definitely
> provide a warmer microclimate. My daffodils and forsythia were done over
a
> week ago.
> As for bare ground...I was worried about my hibiscus, which I left
> unprotected last winter, but finally noticed the new growth coming up a
> couple of days ago. Patience, patience...
"holes"
> where you're expecting to see a familiar friend. I made a note about the
> hibiscus in the journal this year, so next year I can look back and see
when
> to expect it to show up. If you've still got daffodils, I'd definitely
give
> your bare spots a bit more time to produce.
> ... And I wish somebody would tell my "supervisor" that it is
unprofessional
> to wander into the middle of my gardens and flop over on my newly
sprouting
> perennials! He also has a tendency to chew on any wood remaining on
> perennials that die off over the winter (like hibiscus and butterfly
bush),
has
> come in such a short time. Our growing season is beginning now,We have
> daffodils out, the forsythia is just finishing and the Japanese quince
is
> going to be spectacular this spring. I have a garden or two where I
still
> have bare ground and am wondering should I dig to see if stuff was
killed
> or
> just be patient. I see finally, the Jerusalem Artichoke is coming back.
I
Mary, being off work for such an extended amount of time has given me
time to investigate all the British shows that we get on BBC Canada.
Lots of fun. Of course, they're older shows, but still new to us. Ones
like Ground Force, Charlie's Garden (enjoy that one because you get an
overview of the villages they are in), House Doctor (interesting seeing
British homes), Bargain Hunt, Cash in the Attic, and others like those.
Brenda
Mary Allen wrote:
No, Mary, you're not stupid and you didn't lose the packages. You
discarded them, something more of us should do with more things. As
Stephen Wright (I think) said, "You can't have everything. Where would you
keep it?"
> I planted several over the past two years, I am stupid and always loose the
> packages so can't tell you which ones they are.
> Mary in England
Margaret L
Gardening in Intermountain West and Handicapped gardening
http://www.margaretlauterbach.com
In a message dated 22/05/2004 23:49:22 GMT Standard Time,
mgoter@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
Well, speaking of alliums... I planted 6 Gladiator and one Globemaster in my
purple garden in the fall of 2002, and got one blossom each last spring,
I planted several over the past two years, I am stupid and always loose the
packages so can't tell you which ones they are. Seems like 2 different
varieties, the usual fairly tall one with flowers about 2 inches across but I also
have several very impressive shorter growing ones that have really large, fat
and fluffy heads. All of them are in flower at the moment.
Mary in England
Yes, it is nice to see other peoples gardens , swish !! the pottery too
very professional , loved the rustic colours you chose.
Complements to your lovely and new member of the family.
I had the same problem that it wouldn't continue Ann.. .....
I went back and re clicked on the garden and it would continue on that
way.
Jenny in Italy
Just want to say that I find your web page very interesting. Nothing
like
pictures for comparison year to year. The only problem is that I can't
get
the
whole page to download. Would love to see the "friend" you picked up
for Timmy?
ann
think@francomm.com
> Thanks Marg,
> I started keeping a journal last year, and it seems like most of the
garden
> is coming along about the same as it did last year. I guess, for one
thing,
> I made an effort to make this particular (purple) garden start early.
I've
> got the grape hyacinths and tulips that bloom early. Some green comes from
> Japanese iris leaves, and the chives that green up pretty early.
> Even though most of RI is zone 6, here on Aquidneck Island, the water
gives
> us a bit of an edge into zone 7... so protected areas in my yard
definitely
> provide a warmer microclimate. My daffodils and forsythia were done over
a
> week ago.
> As for bare ground...I was worried about my hibiscus, which I left
> unprotected last winter, but finally noticed the new growth coming up a
> couple of days ago. Patience, patience...
"holes"
> where you're expecting to see a familiar friend. I made a note about the
> hibiscus in the journal this year, so next year I can look back and see
when
> to expect it to show up. If you've still got daffodils, I'd definitely
give
> your bare spots a bit more time to produce.
> ... And I wish somebody would tell my "supervisor" that it is
unprofessional
> to wander into the middle of my gardens and flop over on my newly
sprouting
> perennials! He also has a tendency to chew on any wood remaining on
> perennials that die off over the winter (like hibiscus and butterfly
bush),
has
> come in such a short time. Our growing season is beginning now,We have
> daffodils out, the forsythia is just finishing and the Japanese quince
is
> going to be spectacular this spring. I have a garden or two where I
still
> have bare ground and am wondering should I dig to see if stuff was
killed
> or
> just be patient. I see finally, the Jerusalem Artichoke is coming back.
I
> wasn't sure if I wanted it to or not but I have gotten used to it and it
> does produce a pretty flower late into the fall. (I didn't plant it)
> I love the alliums and the supervisor who seems to be on break.
jennypizi@tin.it
In a message dated 23/05/2004 19:48:00 GMT Standard Time,
melauter@EARTHLINK.NET writes:
No, Mary, you're not stupid and you didn't lose the packages. You
discarded them, something more of us should do with more things. As
Stephen Wright (I think) said, "You can't have everything. Where would you
keep it?"
How true Margaret. I sometimes think this house will sink under the weight
of paper that I am "advised" to keep, mostly, and unfortunately, for tax
purposes. I certainly don't have vast areas of storage space. My attic is only
accessible on hands and knees and I curse Xmas when I have to grovelling in
their for the plastic tree and decorations. I have put up lots of shelves in the
garage for old boxes of stuff and am good about hanging my garden tools on
hooks on the walls. You see gardening comes first in the neatness battle.
Mary in England
Good to see you have your priorities right! :)
Brenda
- where it has rained lightly for three days - perfect for drought
conditions......
Mary Allen wrote:
Hi Ann,
Hmmm...
Sorry you can't see it all. I reduced the size/quality by half to make the
pictures more practical for the website, but I don't know what to tell you
to improve your download... The friend is a snake, if that helps!
Experts, any advice?
Peg
get
Thanks for compliment on the pottery, Jenny. The colors available to me are
only what the instructor buys and mixes for us, and the results vary
depending on what clay body we choose, so it's often a mystery until the
very end what a pot will look like when its done. I tend to lean towards the
blues and greens, although I did a lot of purple last year.
Hope your hint helps Ann, I know the first time I load the website, it does
take a long time... and I sometimes minimize the window and do something
else while I wait for it to finish...
Peg
The only reason I could tell you all what variety of alliums I have is
because I have those metal garden markers in front of each one so I don't
plant too close to them in the fall... and also so I'll remember the names!
I had thought I had written down the info somewhere else, but I couldn't
find that...
So you are not alone, Mary! I started the journal to keep track of what I've
got, but its only as good as the record-keeper, right?
Peg in RI
my
> purple garden in the fall of 2002, and got one blossom each last spring,
> I planted several over the past two years, I am stupid and always loose
the
> packages so can't tell you which ones they are. Seems like 2 different
> varieties, the usual fairly tall one with flowers about 2 inches across
but I also
> have several very impressive shorter growing ones that have really large,
fat
A snake!! and you picked it up!! My oldest son had a siamese kitty
who would play with snakes. I never picked any of them up tho.
Your garden is lovely.
Next time I wake up in the middle of the night, I will try to download.
Maybe internet traffic is the problem?
ann
think@francomm.com
Subject: Re: alliums
like
I love the alliums, too. I was determined to grow the 4-foot tall one,
giganticum, but decided to give up after watching it fail in 3 different
places. Then tried one more time in the fall of 2002: Success, very near
the front door! Immediately after this beautiful allium bloomed, we had
major dirt work done in the front yard, to improve drainage and remove a
sidewalk. That allium bulb was shoved around by a Bobcat dirt-mover, and
had the soil level changed above it. So, I figured that would be Dead Giant
Allium #4. I planted a small group of 3 more last fall. Surprise,
surprise, #4 multiplied itself in spite of all the earth-moving agony. So
now I have 2 Giant Drumstick Alliums quite near the door, and another 3
about 3 feet away. I really like the way it looks when I come home.
I have a couple of areas of the 2-foot tall drumstick allium, which I can't
remember the name of (starts with an "f" -- could it be the A.flavum Karen
mentions??? Seems like it was something like "flatulence" [but prettier!])
Last fall I planted some of the A. schubertii -- the ones that have a flower
that looks like fireworks. If I knew the flowers would be so huge, I would
have planted them farther apart. They are interesting, but not as showy as
the drumstick-types.
I planted some of the little A.moly a few years ago, and they were really
nice for one season, then they disappeared.
--Kathy K, mid-Missouri, rainy spring time.
around
> (and bulbs) in order to hide their leaves.
> I planted many species here: 'Neapolitannum' white, A.cowanii, A. moly
> 'Jeannine' (a delightful yellow, now in bloom), A.zebdanense, A.
triquetrum,
in
I like the Alliums - all of them, except that the 'Sensation' foliage turns
yellow even as the flowers are blooming, so I have been moving plants around
(and bulbs) in order to hide their leaves.
I planted many species here: 'Neapolitannum' white, A.cowanii, A. moly
'Jeannine' (a delightful yellow, now in bloom), A.zebdanense, A. triquetrum,
A. cernuum, A. flavum (gorgeous) and have in the past grown A.karataviense
for its foliage and weird flower. Mary - you can goggle to see if any of
mine are in your collection.
BTW, some garlic I planted in the fall of 2002 is growing -- I had a poor
harvest, and obviously left some cloves in the soil... and the tops look
very robust now. When should I harvest them? Hopefully they will be full
bulbs (whereas last year's were tiny, but delicious).
karen in NJ
my
> purple garden in the fall of 2002, and got one blossom each last spring,
> I planted several over the past two years, I am stupid and always loose
the
> packages so can't tell you which ones they are. Seems like 2 different
> varieties, the usual fairly tall one with flowers about 2 inches across
but I also
> have several very impressive shorter growing ones that have really large,
fat
Last fall was the first time I planted the Allium schubertii, so I don't
know what to expect regarding the seeding after bloom.
Crossing my fingers for your gallbladder!
--Kathy K, mid-Missouri
a
> bed where I knew I'd be planting basil. The basil is very slow in coming
as
> it is so dry and I water very minimally, and I'm wondering about letting
the
> Allium go to seed or what...my only disappointment was the leaves browned
at
flower
Karen:
A. aflatunense -- that's it! Thanks. Yes, it has a round ball of flowers on
a straight, strong stem.
A. aflatunense is like a very large chive, I think. Same color, blooms at
the same time.
Don't know about rocambole?
--Kathy K, mid-Missouri
So
Karen
of
> mine are in your collection.
> BTW, some garlic I planted in the fall of 2002 is growing -- I had a
poor
Globemaster
> in
> my
> purple garden in the fall of 2002, and got one blossom each last
> spring,
> I planted several over the past two years, I am stupid and always
loose
> the
> packages so can't tell you which ones they are. Seems like 2 different
> varieties, the usual fairly tall one with flowers about 2 inches
across
Yes, some of the allium leaves at my house are browning, now while the
blooms are in their glory. Earlier, the leaves were kind of pale-looking.
I vaguely remember being a little worried last year at this time about the
A. giganticum.
Good thing the flowers make up for the shortcomings of the leaves!
--kathy K, mid-Missouri
manure
of
I finally planted ONE of these this year and put it smack in the middle of a
bed where I knew I'd be planting basil. The basil is very slow in coming as
it is so dry and I water very minimally, and I'm wondering about letting the
Allium go to seed or what...my only disappointment was the leaves browned at
the tips while the bulb was still in full flower and that detracted...maybe
just our dry weather? I'd like to hear about any experience with these and
after care.
Debbie (still waiting on gallbladder surgery)
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of
Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:29 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: alliums
[Much deleted]
Last fall I planted some of the A. schubertii -- the ones that have a flower
that looks like fireworks. If I knew the flowers would be so huge, I would
have planted them farther apart. They are interesting, but not as showy as
the drumstick-types.
Hmm...anybody else have this brown-tipped leaves experience? Maybe it's
just the nature of the beast (er, bulb).
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of
Margaret E.Millard
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:18 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: alliums
On the big ones, I always have brown tipped leaves. I have the bloom first
when they came, and then the leaves came up. Now I have small leaves.
Suggestion was I put manure on them and they didn't like it. I do put manure
everywhere when I can get it. Maybe I will be much more careful. I see some
of my day lilies are coming after all. I used Ginny's advise and scrapped
away soil and put in some fresh dirt, poor as it was and they seem to be so
much happier. Will be several seasons before they recuperate.,
Marg
a
> bed where I knew I'd be planting basil. The basil is very slow in coming
as
> it is so dry and I water very minimally, and I'm wondering about letting
the
> Allium go to seed or what...my only disappointment was the leaves browned
at
> the tips while the bulb was still in full flower and that
detracted...maybe
> just our dry weather? I'd like to hear about any experience with these
and
flower
> that looks like fireworks. If I knew the flowers would be so huge, I
would
> have planted them farther apart. They are interesting, but not as showy
as
Drumstick allium is A. sphaerocephalon, has an oval flower head. The other
(flatulent ;o))) one you're thinking of is A. aflatunense; it's got a round
umbell, not oval. I forgot to mention another one I favor, plant in many
gardens; it's A. bulgaricum, now called Nectaroscordum siculum. Love that
one too. And then, ofcourse, I grow chives...(who doesn't?) A.
schoenoprasum. Anyone growing "rocambole" ?? A.scorodoprasum.
karen in NJ, still reluctant to go out to work.....
Giant
can't
> remember the name of (starts with an "f" -- could it be the A.flavum Karen
> mentions??? Seems like it was something like "flatulence" [but
prettier!])
> Last fall I planted some of the A. schubertii -- the ones that have a
flower
> that looks like fireworks. If I knew the flowers would be so huge, I
would
> have planted them farther apart. They are interesting, but not as showy
as
turns
A.karataviense
full
spring,
large,
I think I recall seeing these huge A.schubertii umbells making a terrific
display in a rock garden; perhaps the foliage was discretely "hidden" by the
gardeners there (hidden among rocks). Would like it in purple foliage;
perhaps in low ground cover perens which are hopefully drought tolerant.
Ajuga? Might make an interesting contrast.
I planted A. karataviense back in 1994 or 95 on the Broadway mall directly
above the subway tracks in NYC. Hot, dry, lousy soil. Last week I was in
the neighborhood and there they were. It's the perfect environment.
Another plant that did well there was Callirihoe involucrata. Hmmm, that
reminds me, I still haven't ordered any of these plants which I have been
lusting after for years. I'd planted them on Broadway 10 yrs ago, but when
the mall gardens were recently re-designed, they probably dug them out - if
only I'd known, I would have taken them.
I think the schubertii needs to be in something with dense low foliage --
anyway.... basil likes quite a bit of moisture, and Alliums like it dry in
summer, so it seems to me that it's not the best combination planting. Let
us know.
karen in NJ
a
> bed where I knew I'd be planting basil. The basil is very slow in coming
as
> it is so dry and I water very minimally, and I'm wondering about letting
the
> Allium go to seed or what...my only disappointment was the leaves browned
at
> the tips while the bulb was still in full flower and that
detracted...maybe
> just our dry weather? I'd like to hear about any experience with these
and
flower
> that looks like fireworks. If I knew the flowers would be so huge, I
would
> have planted them farther apart. They are interesting, but not as showy
as
This is the challenge of growing certain Alliums -- it is only the best of
us who will successfully be able to plant them so that their foliage is
completely obscured by other plants.
BTW, A.moly foliage fine now - in bloom.
karen in NJ, trying hard, really!
first
> when they came, and then the leaves came up. Now I have small leaves.
> Suggestion was I put manure on them and they didn't like it. I do put
> manure
> everywhere when I can get it. Maybe I will be much more careful. I see
some
> of my day lilies are coming after all. I used Ginny's advise and scrapped
> away soil and put in some fresh dirt, poor as it was and they seem to be
so
coming
> as
> it is so dry and I water very minimally, and I'm wondering about
letting
> the
> Allium go to seed or what...my only disappointment was the leaves
browned
showy
Why not? (let it produce seed) ... Prob take afew yrs to mature, tho, won't
it?
~karen
about
karen
the
when
> the mall gardens were recently re-designed, they probably dug them out -
if
> only I'd known, I would have taken them.
> I think the schubertii needs to be in something with dense low foliage --
> anyway.... basil likes quite a bit of moisture, and Alliums like it dry in
> summer, so it seems to me that it's not the best combination planting.
Let
of
> a
> bed where I knew I'd be planting basil. The basil is very slow in
coming
> as
> it is so dry and I water very minimally, and I'm wondering about letting
> the
> Allium go to seed or what...my only disappointment was the leaves
browned
I wasn't seeing this as a permanent planting, just a way to show off the
bloom for the first time I'd ever had one. Am uncertain, now, though, about
letting it produce seed.
Debbie
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of karen
swaine
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:52 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: alliums
I think I recall seeing these huge A.schubertii umbells making a terrific
display in a rock garden; perhaps the foliage was discretely "hidden" by the
gardeners there (hidden among rocks). Would like it in purple foliage;
perhaps in low ground cover perens which are hopefully drought tolerant.
Ajuga? Might make an interesting contrast.
I planted A. karataviense back in 1994 or 95 on the Broadway mall directly
above the subway tracks in NYC. Hot, dry, lousy soil. Last week I was in
the neighborhood and there they were. It's the perfect environment.
Another plant that did well there was Callirihoe involucrata. Hmmm, that
reminds me, I still haven't ordered any of these plants which I have been
lusting after for years. I'd planted them on Broadway 10 yrs ago, but when
the mall gardens were recently re-designed, they probably dug them out - if
only I'd known, I would have taken them.
I think the schubertii needs to be in something with dense low foliage --
anyway.... basil likes quite a bit of moisture, and Alliums like it dry in
summer, so it seems to me that it's not the best combination planting. Let
us know.
karen in NJ
a
> bed where I knew I'd be planting basil. The basil is very slow in coming
as
> it is so dry and I water very minimally, and I'm wondering about letting
the
> Allium go to seed or what...my only disappointment was the leaves browned
at
> the tips while the bulb was still in full flower and that
detracted...maybe
> just our dry weather? I'd like to hear about any experience with these
and
flower
> that looks like fireworks. If I knew the flowers would be so huge, I
would
> have planted them farther apart. They are interesting, but not as showy
as
uhhhhh doesn't someone on the list use this as a screen name, or am I
hallucinating? errrr.... senior moment supreme.
!karen
on
other
> (flatulent ;o))) one you're thinking of is A. aflatunense; it's got a
round
> umbell, not oval. I forgot to mention another one I favor, plant in
many
> gardens; it's A. bulgaricum, now called Nectaroscordum siculum. Love
that
different
> places. Then tried one more time in the fall of 2002: Success, very
near
> the front door! Immediately after this beautiful allium bloomed, we
had
> major dirt work done in the front yard, to improve drainage and remove
a
> sidewalk. That allium bulb was shoved around by a Bobcat dirt-mover,
and
showy
> as
> the drumstick-types.
> I planted some of the little A.moly a few years ago, and they were
really
look
different
Yeah, now that I think about it, a few years back when I planted some that
are now known by that new-fangled name, I had to rearrange to deal with the
foliage issue...how quickly I forgot!
Debbie (not enough into Alliums...)
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of karen
swaine
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:06 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: alliums
This is the challenge of growing certain Alliums -- it is only the best of
us who will successfully be able to plant them so that their foliage is
completely obscured by other plants.
BTW, A.moly foliage fine now - in bloom.
karen in NJ, trying hard, really!
first
> when they came, and then the leaves came up. Now I have small leaves.
> Suggestion was I put manure on them and they didn't like it. I do put
> manure
> everywhere when I can get it. Maybe I will be much more careful. I see
some
> of my day lilies are coming after all. I used Ginny's advise and scrapped
> away soil and put in some fresh dirt, poor as it was and they seem to be
so
coming
> as
> it is so dry and I water very minimally, and I'm wondering about
letting
> the
> Allium go to seed or what...my only disappointment was the leaves
browned
showy
On the big ones, I always have brown tipped leaves. I have the bloom first
when they came, and then the leaves came up. Now I have small leaves.
Suggestion was I put manure on them and they didn't like it. I do put manure
everywhere when I can get it. Maybe I will be much more careful. I see some
of my day lilies are coming after all. I used Ginny's advise and scrapped
away soil and put in some fresh dirt, poor as it was and they seem to be so
much happier. Will be several seasons before they recuperate.,
Marg
a
> bed where I knew I'd be planting basil. The basil is very slow in coming
as
> it is so dry and I water very minimally, and I'm wondering about letting
the
> Allium go to seed or what...my only disappointment was the leaves browned
at
> the tips while the bulb was still in full flower and that
detracted...maybe
> just our dry weather? I'd like to hear about any experience with these
and
flower
> that looks like fireworks. If I knew the flowers would be so huge, I
would
> have planted them farther apart. They are interesting, but not as showy
as
When we plant garlic in the fall (late October, early November) we
cut any scapes in June and harvest bulbs about mid-July. I consider
it to be a 9 month crop to maturity. Linda in NW Ohio.
The drying leaves is fairly common. Mine do that too. You could trim
the ends off if you wanted to. Mine don't really reseed very
prolifically. I think the multiplication I'm seeing in the ones I have
now are bulb division. As for after care, I simply let the leaves turn
brown and then pull them out when they pull out easily - just like daffs
or tulips.
Brenda
Deborah Green wrote:
Yup, my allium leaves look bad, too. I trimmed them a bit before the blooms
even opened. Last year I worried that the plants wouldn't collect enough
energy to bloom again, but most of them doubled... so I've decided not to
worry too much about it.
Peg in RI
Thanks; I think I'll try to collect the seed and then replant the bulb once
it has gone "dormant."
Debbie
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of Brenda
Pink
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:57 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: alliums
The drying leaves is fairly common. Mine do that too. You could trim
the ends off if you wanted to. Mine don't really reseed very
prolifically. I think the multiplication I'm seeing in the ones I have
now are bulb division. As for after care, I simply let the leaves turn
brown and then pull them out when they pull out easily - just like daffs
or tulips.
Brenda
Deborah Green wrote:
> I finally planted ONE of these this year and put it smack in the middle of
a
> bed where I knew I'd be planting basil. The basil is very slow in coming
as
> it is so dry and I water very minimally, and I'm wondering about letting
the
> Allium go to seed or what...my only disappointment was the leaves browned
at
flower
hmmmm, Martha Stewart said it was best to cut off the bloom before it
went to seed if you wanted a larger bloom the next year, so that is what
I have been doing, but my blooms definitely don't seem to be bigger....
so should I just be leaving them alone until they are completely spent?
Cindy in Peterborough
Deborah Green
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 3:35 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: alliums
Thanks; I think I'll try to collect the seed and then replant the bulb
once it has gone "dormant."
Debbie
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of
Brenda
Pink
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:57 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: alliums
The drying leaves is fairly common. Mine do that too. You could trim
the ends off if you wanted to. Mine don't really reseed very
prolifically. I think the multiplication I'm seeing in the ones I have
now are bulb division. As for after care, I simply let the leaves turn
brown and then pull them out when they pull out easily - just like daffs
or tulips.
Brenda
Deborah Green wrote:
> I finally planted ONE of these this year and put it smack in the middle
> of
a
> bed where I knew I'd be planting basil. The basil is very slow in
> coming
as
> it is so dry and I water very minimally, and I'm wondering about
> letting
the
> Allium go to seed or what...my only disappointment was the leaves
> browned
at
flower
Martha lies....(sorry I couldn't resist). I wondered the same thing.
Debbie
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of Cindy
Merrill
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:25 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: alliums
hmmmm, Martha Stewart said it was best to cut off the bloom before it
went to seed if you wanted a larger bloom the next year, so that is what
I have been doing, but my blooms definitely don't seem to be bigger....
so should I just be leaving them alone until they are completely spent?
Cindy in Peterborough
Deborah Green
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 3:35 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: alliums
Thanks; I think I'll try to collect the seed and then replant the bulb
once it has gone "dormant."
Debbie
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of
Brenda
Pink
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:57 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: alliums
The drying leaves is fairly common. Mine do that too. You could trim
the ends off if you wanted to. Mine don't really reseed very
prolifically. I think the multiplication I'm seeing in the ones I have
now are bulb division. As for after care, I simply let the leaves turn
brown and then pull them out when they pull out easily - just like daffs
or tulips.
Brenda
Deborah Green wrote:
> I finally planted ONE of these this year and put it smack in the middle
> of
a
> bed where I knew I'd be planting basil. The basil is very slow in
> coming
as
> it is so dry and I water very minimally, and I'm wondering about
> letting
the
> Allium go to seed or what...my only disappointment was the leaves
> browned
at
flower
WEll, I don't know if it's the right answer, but I have never cut off
the blooms before seed and mine don't seem to suffer any. I guess it
would make a certain amount of sense, but whether the difference would
be appreciable or not would be my question.
Brenda
Cindy Merrill wrote:
Okay, I lied. I was out in the yard today, and the pics that I took and
put on my photo page of the alliums, was actually the Allium giganteum.
The A. christophii have just appeared in the middle of my Mystery Iris
(stupid things) and are just getting ready to bloom. Boy, do I feel
stupid!!
Oh well, at least I have two varieties of Allium again. But will have
to separate the iris and allium if I want the allium to produce more.
Brenda
