> I have used fresh wood chips on paths surrounding the vegatable gardens in
> the spring now for the last 4 years to help keep slugs out of the garden.
> Also lay shredded bard around slug sensitive plants in the spring. It seems
> to help a lot here in slug city.
Please tell me what "shredded bard" is??
Sherryl
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Norman, Okla.
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Sorry bard=bark. I am glad I don't have a dog he would probably bard, too!
Must have written before my second cup of coffee.
:))
Debbie T.
> Also lay shredded bard around slug sensitive plants in the spring. It seems
> to help a lot here in slug city.
> Please tell me what "shredded bard" is??
Debra Teachout-Teashon
teachout@premier1.net
http://www.premier1.net/~teachout/debra.html
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Well, duhh...I should have realized this! :)
Sherryl
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In a message dated 96-03-31 15:18:47 EST, you write:
> Sorry bard=bark. I am glad I don't have a dog he would probably bard, too!
> Must have written before my second cup of coffee.
You need to accompany that coffee with some peace and quiet, and
perhaps a slim volume of sonnets by the Bark.
Karen Rhodes
Her bard is worse than her byte in the wilds of Middleburg, Florida
blurb@aol.com
In a message dated 96-03-31 12:49:26 EST, you write:
> Please tell me what "shredded bard" is??
It's a terrible way to treat a volume of Shakespeare, that's what it is!
Karen Rhodes
But, soft, what light through yonder window breaks, in the wilds of
Middleburg, Florida
blurb@aol.com
Okay, I've got slugs. So many slugs that I couldn't possibly count how many I
trap every night with beer in tuna cans. So many slugs that I could serve lettuce
out of the garden as a meat course. So many slugs that I've almost worn my hands
down to nubs by picking them off the lettuce. SO many slugs that I now know why
there is a pub in London called The Slug and Lettuce. SO MANY slugs that I'm
considering writing a treatise entitled The Social Life of Slugs. ;-)
I've also got diatomaceous earth. Will it help? Note that I said "help" because
ain't nothing short of nuclear war going to cure the problem and I'm not really
sure about that, either.
Thanks,
Liz
How about introducing some slug-ivores or adding habitat for them?
Decolette (sp?) snails, garden snakes, toads, duck, chickens are all
supposed to eat slugs. Even carabid beetles are supposed to eat them.
Naw.. they're immune to rad's y'know :-)
--
later,
Pat White (work: patbob@sequent.com, (503) 578-3463, fax: (503) 578-5797)
Aloha, Oregon: USDA zone 8, Sunset zone 6 (or so they say)
> I've also got diatomaceous earth. Will it help? Note that I said "help"
because
Gee, poor Liz! Yes, the diatomaceous earth definitely will help. Dust
it on the plants & around them on the ground (you can even work a little
into the surface) and don't water for a couple of days. BTW, it's a
good idea to wear a dust mask when applying DE.
Good luck,
Horsefeathers Farm Wildlife Center
Apex, North Carolina, USA
> Okay, I've got slugs. So many slugs that I couldn't possibly count how many I
> trap every night with beer in tuna cans. So many slugs that I could serve
lettuce
> out of the garden as a meat course. So many slugs that I've almost worn my
hands
> down to nubs by picking them off the lettuce. SO many slugs that I now
know why
> there is a pub in London called The Slug and Lettuce. SO MANY slugs that I'm
> considering writing a treatise entitled The Social Life of Slugs. ;-)
> I've also got diatomaceous earth. Will it help? Note that I said "help"
because
> ain't nothing short of nuclear war going to cure the problem and I'm not really
> sure about that, either.
Sure, if it is the horticultural kind of DE. Put on a mask so that you
don't breathe any of the stuff,
and pour it in places where they crawl across. It will slice up their
little bellies, and they'll dehydrate and die.
Mary
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What a great post - i've got the same problem this year, my first year
growing on new beds and this gave me a good laugh. I've been picking
snails and slugs - and loads of babies, nibbling at my radish roots - and
dropping them in a bucket of salt water. is it possible to take a longer
term - less reactive - view of the problem in specific locations?
I've read that if you cultivate the soil (dig in organic matter) whenever
there's a bare patch, it'll expose the slug eggs - i think this is the
main problem for me on such a new patch, loads of unhatched eggs from soil
which hasn't been cultivated before. i'm hoping next year there'll be
less.
a friend at work says he's got thousands of snails eating his lupins and
foxgloves. seems like they're coming from underneath a pile of ivy in the
abandoned garden next door - i say get rid of the ivy for a start.
when we were little, my brother and i used to go hunting for chickens'
eggs in all the nooks and crannies around my uncle's farm. every time we
found a clutch, it was terribly exciting. back to the present: my nieces
are coming around this weekend. having introduced them to the worm bin
last time ("i'm going to see the worms, daddy"), this time i'm going to
suggest we go snail-and-slug-hunting, and take them around all the secret
hideaways in my garden where I know we will find some. then we can pick
them off and collect them in the - ahem - 'pickling bucket'. i am sure
they could really get into this.
auntie rae in england
Don,
I'm up in Philadelphia which is zone 7A. I've actually had very few slug
problems in my community garden plot which has been under virtually
permanent salt hay mulch for 20 years. I see them from time to time, but
they haven't et my plantlets.
In the backyard, slugs did eat a bunch of young flowers that I'd started
from seed: delphinium,lupine and a couple of other things, but by and
large, they've left most of the stuff alone and spend most of their time
cleaning up catfood that the yard cats have spilled on my back step.
Libby
libby@igc.apc.org Libby J. Goldstein phone & fax: 215-465-8878
Philadelphia zone 7A
My garden must be n-dimensional if it's out here in cyberspace.
Libby: thank you. we will see how it goes here in the mountains of Mt.
Don
I garden in slug country. Slugs luv it here from the English introductions
(the little gray ones) and the natives (the spotted
'Leopard/Banana'ones). I find the native slugs exceptionally beautiful and
harmless (per a post some time ago). I encourage the native ones to live
in my garden because they're so cool. I confess I abhor the little gray
ones. I don't waste any sweet words or thoughts on them. This may be an
unfair bias. But, I don't care. I just don't like them. :-) At one time I
handpicked them and dropped them in baking soda water and gloated over
their short misery and sweet death. Nowadays I am too lazy/busy (depending
on the season) and don't do much except cut them in half when I see them
and I have my garden shears handy. That means not very many gray sluggies
die at my hands. Still, I have found that I can live with what I lose to
gray slug damage. (In fact, I don't think I lose much more than when I was
doing the baking soda thing.)
A couple of observations:
1-We have a lot of those black slug eating beetles in our gardens. They
have been increasing and I think they do manage to eat quite a few of the
slugs. (If I could, I would have ducks too, but I can't right now so the
black beetles are the only slug eaters I know of in my garden.)
2-Most of my perennials don't have a problem outgrowing the slugs in the
spring. A few perennials are particularly choice to the slugs and those
plants I do keep my eye on in the spring as the slugs spring into their
up-cycle.
3-Annual transplants and direct sown seedlings are the most susceptible,
not surprisingly. I adjust my plantings with this in mind. Either I plant
later when they have a much better chance to make it through the slug
spring surge or I plant enough (if it is a crop I really want to plant
right then) so that, with minimal slug patrol (very minimal), I still get
enough of what I want. Sometimes I do lose an entire planting, but well,
thems the breaks. One of my favorite bits of advice from Steve Solomon is
to plant enough for everyone and to plant enough kinds of things so even
if some of the folks are greedy and eat all of y, you'll stil have x, q,
and z.
4-Slugs do especially love mulch and I do sometimes remove it,
temporarily, from recently sown/transplanted beds, during
the slug spring sproinging time...
5-Even though little gray sluggies do eat just about anything, (I agree
with Jeff Owens that they love onions first thing in spring. Must be their
spring tonic :-) I often find that, like aphids and the native slugs, they
do concentrate on plants/leaves that are already not quite happy. In that
sense, I am able to use them as an indicator of other things which may be
going on in the garden.
6-What I have experienced is probably quite local in nature. I live in
portland, oregon. Still, co-existing, with a minimum of effort, with slugs
may work, with adaptions, for lots of folks in different climates.
Especially likely to work in climates less conducive to slug life which is
just about any climate but mine :-)
And that was my slimy two bits,
:-)
eliza
Eliza wrote:
the natives (the spotted
'Leopard/Banana'ones). I find the native slugs
exceptionally beautiful and
harmless (per a post some time ago).
Can someone define "harmless." As in won't
eat my hosta, etc.? I killed several of those this
year in quite the cruel fashion (salt - they were
on the driveway) and would rather not if the
leopards are indeed "harmless."
I can't say they won't eat *anything*. I can only say that based on my own
personal experience, they, the leopard slugs, unlike the gray slugs, seem
to prefer to eat old yellowing leaves, already partly rotted plant
material, and etc. and *not* to eat the kinds of things that look/are
tasty to me. I let a leopard slug live in my brassica bed one winter
(since it was planted in July/August and wasn't all eaten by me till
around late Feb/March that's a pretty long time). Well, from time to time
I saw the leopard slug (can't tell you if it was the same one, for the
purposes of the story it is nicer to assume it was...even if it were more
than one, that would only make the evidence more stronger). Well, it
seemed to be a happy coexistence: I ate the hearty, "pretty" kale leaves,
the broc and cauli and cabbage heads and she ate the yukky stuff. Or, so
it seemed to me. Anyhow, for what's it worth, other gardeners I know
(locally) have noticed the leopard slug doesn't do near the damage the
gray slug does.
It is important to keep in mind that my idea of harmless doesn't mean a
critter/fungus/etc. won't get some of my plants. Just that I'll get
enough of something(s) to make me happy. In fact, perhaps "harmless" is a
silly word as I am sure there are wonderful benefits of most things I
consider a pest...I just ain't tricky enough/wise enough/omniscient enough
to know that these benefits are.
Anyhows, I presume hostas are tasty to slugs since my neighbor (dear me,
woes me) is often out pouring some *wonderful* slug bait around the hostas
he has which are near our driveway. I do have some plants that slugs like
quite a bit. Still, I've only noticed the gray slugs eating the new
foilage on them.
Well, so that's my explanation of what I meant by the harmless little
word, harmless.
:-)
eliza
According to Des Kennedy (former monk, gardener extraordinaire, garden
writer of rare erudition *and* wit) in the book, _Living Things We Love to
Hate_, published by Whitecap Books, 1992:
"/Ariolimax Columbianus/, the giant banana slug...is a native of West
Coast temperate rain forests. It can grow up to 30 cm long [12 inches] and
comes in a range of colours--from pale yellow to brown to glistening
black. Many are mottled with black spots." He goes on to explain that
while these and other native slugs may cause some damage, the main damage
in gardens and farms is caused by the imported Europeans.
This whole chapter is fascinating, particularly to those of us inundated
by the slimy hordes, I suppose. The bit about their mating habits is
marvellous:
After a funny little courtship chase, the hermaphroditic pair "climb on
top of a plant or other raised area.
"There they circle around one another, touching with their tentacles,
drawing ever closer and eating each other's mucus. This might last half an
hour, punctuated with occasional bites. Finally, in limaceous climax, they
intertwine completely and fall together into space, releasing a string of
mucus attached to the support. Then, hanging together suspended like
acrobats, they evert their sex organs and engage in a mutual exchange of
sperm." Isn't that lovely? He goes on to explain, however, that sometimes
they become aggressive after copulation and in extreme cases, one slug
will chew off the other's penis!
This is a great book all 'round, and gives a "flip side" thought or two to
lots of things we like to label as undesirables; one can grow to like
(some!) slugs, dandelions, alders, and others, but I do admit he wasn't
convincing me on rats!
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I tried some commerical beer on slugs, and they ignored it. I guess they're
more discriminating than I thought. I like my home-brew a lot, but if it
would really attract and kill slugs I may let them have a taste.
David
Better yet, just save the thick stuff in the bottom of the bottle of the
home brew. You wouldn't want to drink that any way even if it does contain
all the nutrients and vitamins. Jane
I did see a survey on beers preferred by slugs. Seems like the yeastier
the better. SO, save your beer and just prepare some activated yeast!:-)
David G. Smith wrote:
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bloke@magi.com (Bill & Chris Loke)[Z4/5 on a good day]
Kars, Ontario
Elderberries have more fun than younger berries!
contain
> all the nutrients and vitamins. Jane
Well the first couple perhaps not, but after that, it starts to get more
carelessly poured out.... :)
Ian
they're
> more discriminating than I thought. I like my home-brew a lot, but if it
> would really attract and kill slugs I may let them have a taste.
Can't say I blame em. Some commercial beers, almost always from the smaller
independent breweries are very good, but some, mostly the heavily advertised
ones from the brewing giants, aren't much more than fizzy water! Can't say
as I blame the slugs!
Actually the theory behind slug killing is that they are attracted to it,
and fall in and drown.
Ian
The Beer Garden - Gilingham Kent UK
email: ianmay@bgarden.demon.co.uk
ICQ 6154640
This was pretty good beer, for store-bought. I don't remember what kind it
was, but I know I bought it to drink, not to trap slugs with. They were more
attracted to the strawberries. I went out a couple nights with a flashlight
and a bucket of salt water. That was much more effective.
David
> I tried some commercial beer on slugs, and they ignored it. I guess
> they're more discriminating than I thought. I like my home-brew a lot,
but if
> it would really attract and kill slugs I may let them have a taste.
> I feed my slug home-brewed beer. That kills 'em stone dead!
Killed them stone dead uh! Boy I am not coming over your house for a
glass of homebrew.
Actually, slugs are attracted to the smell of yeast and since commercial
brews have been
filtered to the nth degree so they can be rushed to market before aging
the product all
the yeast his been filtered out of commercial beer while homebrew is
clarified the old fashioned way by settling it still contains some yeast
cells and plenty of aroma the slugs find it irresistible as do I.
If one does not have a source of homebrew just mix up a little bread
making yeast, sugar and water. One yeast packet, 1 ts sugar and 1 qt.
warm water, mix well and use the mixture as slug bate.
__
A friend of mine gave me quite a few divisions of beautiful hostas last
year. When I planted them I found I had developed a terribe slug
infestation!
Now, before our growing season starts in the U.P. , I' m hoping someone
has a solution to my slug problem before beasts eat evey new leaf my
hostas have to offer...again!
Thanks!
Irene
In a message dated 98-04-19 03:08:05 EDT, you write:
<<
A friend of mine gave me quite a few divisions of beautiful hostas last
year. When I planted them I found I had developed a terribe slug
infestation!
Now, before our growing season starts in the U.P. , I' m hoping someone
has a solution to my slug problem before beasts eat evey new leaf my
hostas have to offer...again!
Thanks!
I have had good succses with "Bug-geta" made by 'Ortho' Its a Metaldehyde
compound they call Bitrex.
Last year, after a few wet years we had slugs every were. After a big rain
storm I could collect over 200 from under the tarp over the black dirt pile.
The baby raccon I had last year could not keep up with them and after the
raccon found out it liked to dig in the flower pots, I had to be dispose of
it.
So I got the above said "Bug-Geta" in a pellet form, after two aplications My
slug population was cut down by 90%.
I still have a few slugs this spring -but I just put down some "Bug-Geta" this
last week.
This product has worked for me. I HAD a lot of slugs- now I can manage them.
Last year when I dub out my Hosta from over wintering them - many of the eyes
were eaten on even befor i planted them. some of the Hosta had 7 inches of
dirt on them!
This year when I dug up the Hosta - I found only two with slug damage. Not
bad, two out of 1,200. I can live with this.
I have one bed that still has a slug problem- I am hoping the "Bug-geta" will
take care of them befor the buggers eat on the plants.
I like to use beer traps to get rid of the slugs that like to eat my =
plants. Just place a shallow dish of beer in the area you are having =
problems with and the slugs will crawl into it and drown. Diatomaceous =
Earth also works.
Debi
ScorpioAngel
vincent@ccountry.net
ICQ# 10223493
Gold Hill, Oregon USA
USDA Zone 7/8
Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 12:07 AM
Subject: Slugs
A friend of mine gave me quite a few divisions of beautiful hostas last
year. When I planted them I found I had developed a terribe slug
infestation!
Now, before our growing season starts in the U.P. , I' m hoping someone
has a solution to my slug problem before beasts eat evey new leaf my
hostas have to offer...again!
Thanks!
Irene
Thanks for everyone's help on "my slugs." I' tried the beer last year
but that didn't quite do it (I think the whole neighborhood slug
community heard there was a party at my place ;-)
I'll give Bug-Geta a try...since it's an Ortho product can I assume I
can pick it up at just about any department store or garden center? Or
is it something I'll need to order.
Thanks!
Irene (Zone 4)
> What is Diatomaceous Earth?
Diatomaceous earth is the tiny silica shells of diatoms, microscopic
algae. It's nearly worthless against slugs in the PNW because it does
nothing when wet. Further, I'm not convinced of the safety of it --
fine dusts like DE are notorious for causing permanent lung damage,
a la asbestosis.
Slug traps and metaldehyde seem to continue to be the most efficacious
for slug control in the wetter PNW.
Kay Lancaster kay@fern.com
just west of Portland, OR, where we have had the third major hatch of
slugs this season.
What is Diatomaceous Earth?
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: From: D. Vincent
: To: Multiple recipients of list GARDENS
: Subject: Re: Slugs
: Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 8:35 AM
:
: I like to use beer traps to get rid of the slugs that like to eat my plants.
Just place a shallow dish of beer in the area you are having problems with and
the slugs will crawl into it and drown. Diatomaceous Earth also works.
:
: Debi
: ScorpioAngel
: vincent@ccountry.net
: ICQ# 10223493
: Gold Hill, Oregon USA
: USDA Zone 7/8
: -----Original Message-----
: From: irene ilmonen
: To: Multiple recipients of list GARDENS
: Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 12:07 AM
: Subject: Slugs
:
:
: A friend of mine gave me quite a few divisions of beautiful hostas last
: year. When I planted them I found I had developed a terribe slug
: infestation!
:
: Now, before our growing season starts in the U.P. , I' m hoping someone
: has a solution to my slug problem before beasts eat evey new leaf my
: hostas have to offer...again!
:
: Thanks!
:
: Irene
Irene,
I had slug problems with my hostas last year and someone from the list
suggested play sand around the hostas. It really worked and added a
little color to the area. The beer worked also but I didn't like
emptying the dish. Besides, I caught the cat from across the street
slurping up the beer. Just replace the sand every so often.
keslaughter2juno.com
On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:55:31 -0400 irene ilmonen
writes:
__
Ther are many ways to do it. First, the organic ways----Hand picking (use
gloves if they gross you out) is very effective, non toxic and costs zero.
Go out at night with a flashlight, pick them (and snails up) throw them in
an old coffee can and squish them or feed them to ducks or chickens. Second
method is to bait them. Bury an old pie pan so that the lip of the pan is
flush with the dirt. Then pour beer into the pan and leave it. They'll crawl
in, get drunk and drown. Third is to leave boards or paper laying on the
ground and pick them up in the morning. They'll crawl under and you can
scrape them off. You can also circle your plants with a ring of diatomaceous
earth--this is the remains of small celled sea life that has a crystalline
structure. Crawling over it is like crawling over broken glass to a slug.
You can also put down copper tape (garden stores have it). The slime of the
slug reacts with the copper to produce an electric charge, repelling the
slug.
You can also try pellets or Deadline. These are chemical baits that are also
poisonous to children, dogs, cats and birds that eat the dead slugs. I've
found that going on slug and snail patrol each night for about 1/2 hr is
very effective. Count how many you catch each night and you'll see the
number dramatically decrease over a week or so. Clues to finding them are to
look for the slime trails. Don't forget to look under planters--they love to
hide there.
Date: Monday, May 11, 1998 11:13 AM
Subject: slugs
help. there are slugs eating away at my plants. any suggestions on how to
control slugs?
Hello everyone,
I am new to the list and this is the first time I have posted a question, and
believe I you all can help.
When I finally was able to get in my shade border yesterday, ( yes, I am going
to try the no-till method) after all the rain we have had. I found that slugs
have been eating on my Hostas -- first time this has been a real problem --
the smaller plants from divisions seem to be getting the worse of it. I don't
know where I heard or read this-- but I dusted the small plants with baking
flour in the evening -- this morning I have DEAD SLUGS around these plants ---
my question(s) is...
Will this kill benefical insects or my plants? What preys on slugs anyway?
I've tried the beer in the past and so did my dogs, and it really didn't seem
to help that much. And slugs are one insect I really don't like picking up.
Any suggestions or ideas on this would be greatly appreciated!!
Thank You,
Deb (Indy/Zone5)
One recommendation I've heard of is hair--when they travel over it it
sticks to them and they can't rid themselves of it. Whenever I cut my
boys' hair, I try to grab handfuls and scatter them around my plants.
> help. there are slugs eating away at my plants. any suggestions on how to
> control slugs?
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which God prepared in advance for us to do." Ephesians 2:10
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Sophia Hansen fia@netcentral.net
Hi all, I use slug bait. I have very tiny slugs and way to many to hand
pick. Not that I would hand pick them anyway. I tried using beer, but
didn't like having to wake up to a plate full of slugs, I also found that I
used alot of beer and then the husband would object. Now I just put the
pellets, under rocks or boards, that way dogs and cats can't get to them,
and I don't have to see any dead slugs either. It's quick and easy, and not
as expensive as beer.
Sue in the Bay, on the way out to mow the lawn.
Cheerios
Gerry Blyth
Constance Bay, Ontario
K0A 3M0
Canada
Dogs probably won't bother it, but you're risking aluminum toxicity
to some of your plants. Some species are more bothered with it than
others.
Kay Lancaster kay@fern.com
just west of Portland, OR; USDA zone 8 (polarfleece)
Hi Everyone,
Coming out of my lurk-mode to join in on the slug discussion.....
I know that dogs are attracted and killed by many of the commercial slug
treatments out there. But, what about straight aluminum sulfate? I've
heard you can spread this (5 grams in 4 L) around the base of the plants.
But, we have a dog next door that I'm concerned about. Will she be
attracted to it?
Thanks to everyone for all the great info. I've learned and am learning a
lot!
Carolyn
Hi, I've been lurking for awhile and am learning a lot. I'm new to
the Internet and this is my first mailing list.
My neighbour gave me some Hosta plants and told me to lay dried egg
shells around the base to discourage slugs. They are sharp and slugs hate
crossing over them.
He also suggested using water and amex ammonia (10 parts of water and
1 part of ammonia). Pour the mixture over the plant when first sign of
slugs appear. I haven't tried this one yet, but the eggshells work well.
Carla from Zone 5
> What is another bait besides beer? I am gonna use a trap and don't want to mess
> with the beer.
Sugar, yeast and water... same proportions as for bread starter.
Kay Lancaster kay@fern.com
What is another bait besides beer? I am gonna use a trap and don't want to mess
with the beer.
TIA,
Nika
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: From: Carolyn Lick
: To: Multiple recipients of list GARDENS
: Subject: Re: Slugs
: Date: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 11:42 AM
:
: Hi Everyone,
:
: Coming out of my lurk-mode to join in on the slug discussion.....
:
: I know that dogs are attracted and killed by many of the commercial slug
: treatments out there. But, what about straight aluminum sulfate? I've
: heard you can spread this (5 grams in 4 L) around the base of the plants.
: But, we have a dog next door that I'm concerned about. Will she be
: attracted to it?
:
: Thanks to everyone for all the great info. I've learned and am learning a
: lot!
:
: Carolyn
I've found endless material on slugs at
http://www.gardenweb.com/forums/load.cgi/pests/msg0118003020372.html
Bill
S. OR Coast
> I agree about causing pain. I'm just starting to garden and haven't done
> anything about the few slugs who are snacking on one of my hostas, but i
know
> the day is coming. I really don't want to pour salt, stomp or slice them.
> Couldn't i just collect them in a bucket (sans the salty water) and take
them
> into the woods?
Penelope Smith, who wrote "Animals...our return to wholeness", says in
that book that she collects slugs in a bucket (sans the salty water, of
course), transports them to the forest down the road, and asks them not to
return. I don't know how this effects the local forest ecosystem. Some
slugs should be good for it, but what if there are suddenly hundreds or
thousands of new slugs brought in by kind-hearted gardeners? I don't know.
Wish I new more about how the world works.
Carol (and Brodie)
zone 8
> According to Bob Olsen, president of the American Hosta Society, mix 4 parts
> water with 1 part household ammonia. Then go out after dark and spray it on
> the little beggars. Repeat weekly, more often if it rains hard.
One thing to recall... there's usually about 500x as many slugs in the
soil as there are above ground. So ya gotta keep at it. :-(
Kay Lancaster kay@fern.com
just west of Portland, OR; USDA zone 8 (polarfleece)
who would love to have some giant mutant glowworms that ate slugs
Well,
Natural controls would probably prevent an overload of slugs -- they'd
compete themselves out of competition. But there's another way to look at
killing slugs too: a way that has helped me. If I kill a slug and either
toss it in the compost pile or work it into the soil, I am returning the
creature to the earth where the energy used to make it will be returned to
my garden and help my plants grow and feed other organisms in my soil. The
never ending circle -- practice it.
--Natalie
*******************************
Natalie McNair-Huff, organic gardener
"as a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era or
corruption in high places will follow...until all wealth is aggregated in a
few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." Abraham Lincoln.
If you put copper tubing around ypur plants or bed, the slugs cannot go
over it.
CJ Ladybug
Helen,
According to Bob Olsen, president of the American Hosta Society, mix 4 parts
water with 1 part household ammonia. Then go out after dark and spray it on
the little beggars. Repeat weekly, more often if it rains hard.
Floyd Rogers - Zone 5A Butterfield Gardens
frogers@ix.netcom.com Warrenville, Illinois
In a message dated 98-05-23 22:34:38 EDT, frogers@IX.NETCOM.COM writes:
<<
According to Bob Olsen, president of the American Hosta Society, mix 4 parts
water with 1 part household ammonia. Then go out after dark and spray it on
the little beggars. Repeat weekly, more often if it rains hard.
I'm the one who originally posted about the slugs. After shining a light on
the plants in the dark and actually seeing those #$%^&*, I put out two dishes
of watered-down beer. This morning, six dead ones were sitting in one dish.
More questions:
1. About the above ammonia cure: Doesn't this hurt the plants?
2. How often should I do the beer thing? Every night? When can I assume the
slugs are gone for good?
3. Has anyone here used slug traps?
Thanks.
Anne
AnWinEsp@aol.com
zone 6
Anne,
I tried the beer traps and they worked on the larger slugs; I caught about
4 or 5. However, I keep finding these little bitty ones that are about an
1/8" long and I never found any of those in my beer traps. Also, I don't
see them except when I'm weeding and come across them. What can be done
about these tiny critters?
Sandy in KY (zone 6)
Bullwinkle
I've found consistently that the best slug removal method is
pieces of curved bark laid around the plants. In the morning I
go out with a large-mouthed mason jar containing a solution of
supersalinated water. I pick up the bark and scrape all slugs
into the jar with a large-sized wooden plant marker. I don't
even empty the jar much. It gets ookier & ookier but it makes
me feel accomplished. I get everything from the teeny ones to
the berry, berry large ones that way. Plus the bark pieces look
quite natural. It is also very important to chortle evily while
you scrape them into the jar. "heh, heh, heh, now my little
pretties ... " ;-)
Jaime
jknoble@warwick.net
NW NJ, zone 6/5
I think a crushed eggshell or wood ash barrier around your bed or plants
might help--also, I've often heard a strip of copper metal as a barrier
around your raised bed deters them...
good luck--
fia
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which God prepared in advance for us to do." Ephesians 2:10
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will diatomaceous earth deter the slugs?
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Enjoy!
Linda
Jaime,
It gets "ookier & ookier"...is that a botanical term???
Sandy in KY (zone 6)
fia,
I recently put some crushed eggshells around some of my plants (we don't
eat many eggs) but I think there are already many slugs in the mulch up
under the leaves. Jaime suggested some curled bark pieces laid around the
plants might encourage them and then I can scrape them off and dispose of
them. Between the two plans of attack hopefully I can decrease their number.
Sandy in KY (zone 6)
I love the chortle! Linda
Date: Sunday, May 24, 1998 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: Slugs
Bullwinkle
I've found consistently that the best slug removal method is
pieces of curved bark laid around the plants. In the morning I
go out with a large-mouthed mason jar containing a solution of
supersalinated water. I pick up the bark and scrape all slugs
into the jar with a large-sized wooden plant marker. I don't
even empty the jar much. It gets ookier & ookier but it makes
me feel accomplished. I get everything from the teeny ones to
the berry, berry large ones that way. Plus the bark pieces look
quite natural. It is also very important to chortle evily while
you scrape them into the jar. "heh, heh, heh, now my little
pretties ... " ;-)
Jaime
jknoble@warwick.net
NW NJ, zone 6/5
Botanical?? Absolutely not! It's an entymological term
meaning, "At or near the pinnacle of yuckieness or a
subjective assessment of how yuckie something non-botanical
can possibly get." ;-)))))) Jaime
snip - I actually saw one yesterday. They're kind of cute.
I used to think slugs were neat when I was younger and saw them in my
mothers yard/garden. But now that it is my garden and I see the damage
they do they are not so cute. I use the beer.
---Wendy
I have another question, I know beer will get rid of slugs, so my
question is if I mix up brewer's yeast and set it out will it have the
same effect as the beer? I actually saw one yesterday. They're
kind of cute :) Thanks
wendy
> I have another question, I know beer will get rid of slugs, so my
> question is if I mix up brewer's yeast and set it out will it have the
> same effect as the beer? I actually saw one yesterday. They're
> kind of cute :) Thanks
Hi Wendy,
I guess the "cute" thing depends on your perspective--I *know* slugs have
their place in the natural order,and that they are, also, nature's
creatures just as we are, but if they are going to eat all my seedlings,
they must *GO*!
I don't use baits--I think they draw more slithery beasts in to feast on
my seedlings--but other people find them effective. I use hand-picking
(and squashing!) as the main control along with good culture. For those
plants the ghastly gastropods chew up no matter what, I put a barrier
around, either strands of seaweed or (in extreme emergency) a ring of
d.e.. I used to use a thing called a salt fence (a 4-inch strip of paper
impregnated with salt) for this purpose, but I haven't seen any of it in
the shops for a while.
hth,
Diane Ridout, Instructor, ACP.............................................
Kwantlen University College, "Talk
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Tel: (604) 599-2964 Voice mail 9837.......................................
Diane Ridout wrote:
Thanks for the info! By the way when I said that the slugs were cute I
didn't mean that I didn't want to get rid of them. A Worse problem for
me are groundhogs!! The only way I can see to get rid of them is by
killing them. They are very aggressive around children, too.
wendy
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Handpicking does seem to be the most expedient way of getting rid of the =
slimy critters, but I can't spend the whole night wandering around the =
yard with my flashlight, so I put the rinds from our daily glass of =
orange or grapefruit juice around the garden. The slugs are attracted =
to the bits of remaining fruit and in the early morning I just tap the =
rinds into a plastic bag to loosen the slugs, leaving the rinds for the =
next day's harvest.
Diane Ridout wrote:
> On Thu, 28 May 1998, Wendy wrote:
> I have another question, I know beer will get rid of slugs, so my
> question is if I mix up brewer's yeast and set it out will it have =
the
have
> their place in the natural order,and that they are, also, nature's
> creatures just as we are, but if they are going to eat all my =
seedlings,
> they must *GO*!
> I don't use baits--I think they draw more slithery beasts in to feast =
on
> my seedlings--but other people find them effective. I use hand-picking
> (and squashing!) as the main control along with good culture. For =
those
> plants the ghastly gastropods chew up no matter what, I put a barrier
> around, either strands of seaweed or (in extreme emergency) a ring of
> d.e.. I used to use a thing called a salt fence (a 4-inch strip of =
paper
> impregnated with salt) for this purpose, but I haven't seen any of it =
in
Thanks for the info! By the way when I said that the slugs were cute I
didn't mean that I didn't want to get rid of them. A Worse problem for
me are groundhogs!! The only way I can see to get rid of them is by
killing them. They are very aggressive around children, too.
wendy
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(snip)
O, am I glad I don't have them to worry about! I certainly couldn't kill
them, myself. Someon, a while back, mentioned something about burying
bottles in the ground, so that the neck sticks out, and the wind makes the
bottles sound a note that will casue the groundhogs to leave. Or something
like that.
Diane Ridout, Instructor, ACP.............................................
Kwantlen University College, "Talk
12666-72 Avenue doesn't
Surrey, BC, Canada V3W 2M8 cook rice," they say.
Tel: (604) 599-2964 Voice mail 9837.......................................
Diane Ridout wrote:
That's interesting, I never heard of that. I put up alumium
up so they bag together. It actually worked!
wendy
After digging up some 3 year old carnation plants to transplant in a different
part of my garden, I noticed I have slugs. I've never noticed that they were
around before.
Any reason for me to be concerned or should I just ignore them?
Peg - zone 5
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KILL THEM WHILE YOU CAN! BELIVE ME. IF THEIR POPULLATION INCREASES,
YOU'LL REGRET NOT HAVING DONE SOMETHING EARLIER.
---Peg Morrisroe
> After digging up some 3 year old carnation plants to transplant in a
different
> part of my garden, I noticed I have slugs. I've never noticed that
they were
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> After digging up some 3 year old carnation plants to transplant in a
different
> part of my garden, I noticed I have slugs. I've never noticed that
they were
NEVER ignore slugs..................you'll regret it later when you're inundated
with them! Get rid of them while you can...........beer is good,or look under
stones and relocate them,or just kill them........but beware of killing other
wildlife if you use poison (eg.toads,hedgehogs etc).
K.
(I saw a slug sooooo big the other night when I was walking home, I thought it was
a small snake at first....and we don't have snakes up here! I think it was a
"leopard slug" but it must've been 4"-5" long.......YUK!)
I'm looking for information for someone on another list. She's looking for
a dog-safe way to get rid of slugs. I know beer is supposed to work, but
isn't that new stuff, Escar-Go or whatever, supposed to be safe for pets?
Can anyone confirm that, or tell me where to get it?
Thanks,
David Smith
Hi David,
Gardens Alive carries Escar-Go for slug and snail control which is reported
to be safe for use around pets and wildlife.
1 1/4 lbs (treats 1,250 sq. ft) for $9.99
customer service phone is 812-537-8651
They have e-mail at
Gardener@gardens-alive.com
I've never used it, but I might try it next year. We have problems with
slugs too, and I don't like using the poison stuff.
Bambi
Coastal Carolina
UDSA zone 8; AHS Heat zone 3
Sunset zone 31
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> I'm looking for information for someone on another list. She's looking
> for a dog-safe way to get rid of slugs. I know beer is supposed to work,
I sprinkle crushed egg shells in my garden. The slugs don't like
crawling on them. Diatenacious (?sp) earth has the same effect.
Unlike beer, lasts for weeks.
I have heard that some folks don't like the egg shells because they
attract skunks. We have a real skunk problem in our
neighbourhood but there has never been any digging of the egg
shells.
Just let the shells dry for a few days (we just accumulate them in a
bowl under the kitchen sink until the bowl is full.) They crush
better when dry.
Lorraine Young, Southern Ontario
lyoung@npiec.on.ca
It's an iron pyrophosphate product, newly licensed in the US, and not
yet widely available. Seems to work about as well as the metaldehyde
baits.
Kay Lancaster kay@fern.com
> Gardens Alive carries Escar-Go for slug and snail control which is reported
> to be safe for use around pets and wildlife.
> 1 1/4 lbs (treats 1,250 sq. ft) for $9.99
Check to be sure the product isn't simply diatomaceous earth, in which case
you would be getting ripped off.
I hate slugs. (Slugs in my garden anyway.) In houses where
they were awful I did the nighttime patrol and encouraged
toads and snakes. I also think stirring the soil surface in
early spring and checking along lawn edgings or raised bed
edgings to disturb their little breeding patches is a good
idea. Margaret Van Emmerick's Slug and Snail FAQ is great
--
http://www.gil.com.au/~emmerik/slug_snail_FAQ.html
I just updated a fun article for St. Patrick's Day (it's a
long story how it's realted to the holiday but....) which
actually happens to be all about slugs and has lots of
sluggy links in it so you might find it useful or at least
sort of enjoyable.
http://suite101.com/article.cfm/253/5941
Hope this helps!
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This Week at the Cottage Garden: "Simplicity in Herb Garden
Design"
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> In houses where they were awful I did the nighttime patrol and encouraged
toads and snakes.
--
> Barbara Martin
And I thought it was bad having the occasional slug in the garden. But
SNAKES and TOADS in the house too!!!!! My you are brave.
(snicker, snicker, grin)
Martha
M Brown
NW Oklahoma, USA
USDA Zone 6b, Sunset Zone 35
Now Martha, that's almost funny.
(big grin) We have had a black snake in the basement (no
mice that year!)(and I suspect another has moved in as no
mice this year -- it is quite typical in this area) and so
far two frogs this fall in the kitchen (came in with the
papyrus I think/hope). We won't go into the permanent
resident large white frog in the dining room. :) LOLOL
--
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Design" and "Ewww! Slugs in the Garden!"
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> In houses where they were awful I did the nighttime patrol and
encouraged
Better you than me. I would have no problem with the permanent resident
large white frog in the dining room but the rest would be very unwelcome and
heartily encouraged to seek another home.
We have an unwritten agreement around here. There is a large circle drive
all the way around my house which encloses my landscaped yard and house.
That area is mine! None of my husband's machinery, tools, junk etc..
allowed. There are also no snakes allowed. Certainly not in the basement.
Just call me chicken and I will cluck!!
Martha
M Brown
NW Oklahoma, USA
USDA Zone 6b, Sunset Zone 35
While we`re on topic about the slugs.
Has anyone used Skipper 4G from Bayer (blue granules) against the slugs?
Any comments and results from this limacide highly appreciated.
Vlado
Kevin and Tom,
While my story may not solve your problem it might give you some insight
into finding a solution.
When we moved into the house previous to where we live now I happened to
have to go outside by the kitchen door one evening. We had a very small
porch there (maybe 4x8-ft.) I looked down as I prepared to step out
(luckily) and I do not think I could have put a pencil, eraser end, down
without touching a big slimy snail. It looked like hundreds of them all
over the porch floor, steps and sides! It was a cement porch. I got a
shovel and a stick and started pushing them onto the shovel. When it got
full I carried it out to the alley where there was a deep water sewer
with a metal grate over it. I think it eventually emptied into the gully
at the end of the street. I chucked them all down into that sewer,
making sure they hit the water in the bottom. Kept this up until I
didn't see any more on the porch. Also did it in my garden. My slug
population plumeted! Never did have the amount of slugs again like that.
I think this was late spring or early summer.
My thinking is that the more you get rid of at any time, the less you
will have in the future regardless of the time of year.
Sallie - Zone 6 - Ohio
___________________________________________________________________
In a few months, slugs will be a hot topic for gardens' readers. Just read
an article on nematodes that work for flower growers and one that I'd not
heard of before. It appears to work on a wide range of slugs and snails
but is harmeless to other invertebrates. Its name, Phasmarbditis
hermaphrodita. It can be readily raised in culture and stored for use as a
biocontrol agent. It does its job by entering the dorsal pore just behind
the mantle of the slug, and once inside it causes the slug to swell up and
die rapidly.
This nematode seems to be labeled only in England. It is distributed by
MicroBio over there. The author of the article is at the U. of Maryland
and says the nematode has to be found existing naturally in Maryland before
it can be imported from the UK.
How interesting to note that slugs do have a natural enemy other than toads
and birds. We don't have a major slug problem locally as do some parts of
this country, but I thought I'd just pass along the info before it slips my
mind.
Linda in NW Ohio near Toledo/Lake Erie, USDA Zone 5
llbs@glasscity.net
The lady at our herb nursery is a totally organic grower/pest controller,
etc. and she told me to fill a shallow tin can (like a tuna can) with beer
at night and put it in the flowerbeds. In the morning it would be full of
dead slugs. I tried it - she was right. You do, of course, have to throw
them out and refill the can each night, but since I can't bring myself to
squash one - especially one that has much size to it - it's a good answer to
the problem. I also read it in an article in a magazine and it said to dig
a hole in the flowerbed just deep enough to set the can in up to its rim and
they'll crawl in (drawn to the malt smell) and drown. Said it will attract
them up to a range of a mile, but I'm not sure they could crawl that far in
a night!! :)
Anyway, slugs were a huge problem for us this year as we had an unusually
wet and cool spring and they were eating everything I planted. Had to
resort to murder!!!
Linda - in Texas
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:48 PM
Subject: Slugs
For those who have their Hosta's eaten by slugs:
I read you should pour some metaldehyde on the soil in
the early spring when the hosta are just sticking
their noses above the ground. The hosta's will take
this metaldehyde in and slugs don't like that. I think
I am going to try it this year.
Gabri??lle
--- Linda Goff
__________________________________________________
Our newspaper weekly garden insert said your basic garden snakes LOVE
snails. It's their favorite food. Just supply a nice place for them to
live, like a flat piece of cardboard or the corrugated plastic stuff in
kind of a shady area (with enough space for them to move in and out). I
live in Oregon, the slug capitol of the world.
Linda Goff wrote:
From: Arnhild Bleie
Subject: Re: Slugs
I have been told that slugs/snail are canibals - so if you find some of
them kill them and leave them where you have plants you don't want to be
eaten newcommers will first eat the dead snails ... =E6sj!
(I don't know how you say =E6sj or huffda in english! maybe Linda ???? wh=
at
is it huffda?)
I don't know what aesj or huffda means, but I'm guessing by the w=
ay
you used it "eat the dead snails....aesj!" that you were saying what we
would say as "Yuck!!!" ????
Linda
Gari=EBlle - that metaldehyde - what kind of stuff is that - it doesn't
sounds healthy for the soil ? What does it do to the usefull insect in t=
he
soil?
EscarGo and Sluggo is something they can buy in the USA. Don't know muc=
h
more what is in it.
Arnhild
I have been told that slugs/snail are canibals - so if you find some of
them kill them and leave them where you have plants you don't want to be
eaten newcommers will first eat the dead snails ... =E6sj! :( That is what
I might try -- maybe after have started the collecting them in beer???
We have a nice little animal here by us that eat a lot of snail and I hope
some of them will find my garden: small brown hegdehogs - don't know how
common that is all over.
(I don't know how you say =E6sj or huffda in english! maybe Linda ???? what
is it huffda?)
Gari=EBlle - that metaldehyde - what kind of stuff is that - it doesn't
sounds healthy for the soil ? What does it do to the usefull insect in the
soil?
EscarGo and Sluggo is something they can buy in the USA. Don't know much
more what is in it.
Arnhild
> I have been told that slugs/snail are canibals - so if you find some o=
f
> them kill them and leave them where you have plants you don't want to =
be
ow
> common that is all over.
Ew...slug carcasses attract slugs from all over...I put them on my compos=
t
heap, where the living slugs can't do much damage. I'm afraid that putti=
ng
dead slugs around treasured plants will indicate that those plants are th=
e
*next* dinner course for sluggy minds.
I don't think many parts of North America have hedgehogs. It would be
nice...I like slug fighting allies. :)
http://lsb.syr.edu/projects/cyberzoo/animals/europeanhedgehog.html
Some people have hedgehog pets...but I don't know how common that practic=
e
is.
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsett@blueriver.net
A root is a flower that disdains fame.
I'm going off to read a book now -- need to finish so I can
make a library run and stock up on those, too. :)
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> Gari??lle - that metaldehyde - what kind of stuff is
> that - it doesn't
> sounds healthy for the soil ? What does it do to
> the usefull insect in the
> soil?
I have to look that one up in the book. I lent it
from the library and already brought it back. Thought
I would lent it again in the early spring when I was
going to experiment with the metaldehyde. I will tell
you next week if somebody else in this group doesn't
answer it for me.
Gabri??lle
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> Said it will attract
> them up to a range of a mile, but I'm not sure they could crawl that far in
> a night!! :)
If a slug is a mile away, why would you want to attract it to you garden
anyway? :-)
I also read and tried, (we don't get many slugs and the ones we do get are
smallish so I don't know how well this works) to crush your egg shells and
then spread them around an area you don't want slugs. The slugs won't
cross the sharp little egg shell pieces. (Kind of like diatanatious (sp)
earth.)
Kevin
Ajax, Ontario Zone 5 or 6 depending on who you talk to.
Sounds like wood alcohol to me. :-)
Bill Loke; Kars, Ontario. USDA Z 4B/5A
Yes-BUT if you have dogs around they may decide they will go after those
eggshells and cause a lot more trouble than the slugs...
Debbie in Williamsburg, VA
Peter
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 6:55 AM
To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
Subject: Re: Slugs
I also read and tried, (we don't get many slugs and the ones we do get are
smallish so I don't know how well this works) to crush your egg shells and
then spread them around an area you don't want slugs. The slugs won't
cross the sharp little egg shell pieces. (Kind of like diatanatious (sp)
earth.)
> Said it will attract
> them up to a range of a mile, but I'm not sure they could crawl that far
in
> a night!! :)
> If a slug is a mile away, why would you want to attract it to you garden
> anyway? :-)
LOL! I never thought of asking her that question!! I think
she was just trying to relay to me the potency of the beer attraction to the
slugs! I wasn't really worried about them coming from a mile away, again -
it would take them a year to get here. We don't drink alcohol so we had to
make a trip to the store for beer, but I now have it in the fridge ready for
them.
Okay, now my turn - it would take tons of egg shells and hours of
time to crush them and spread them around everything that I have planted!
It's much faster to just put out a couple of dishes of beer here and there.
Maybe that way they die happy!!??
Happy New Year - Linda
Have you ever seen the picture of the slug crawling over an on-end razor
blade? Egg shells won't work. Margaret L
Well, you could also use your dried coffee grounds. :-) works for cutworms
too.
Bill Loke; Kars, Ontario. USDA Z 4B/5A
the
> slugs! I wasn't really worried about them coming from a mile away,
again -
> it would take them a year to get here. We don't drink alcohol so we had
to
> make a trip to the store for beer, but I now have it in the fridge ready
for
> them.
Maybe that way they die happy!!??
> If a slug is a mile away, why would you want to attract it to you garden
> anyway? :-)
--> they will be here - BE sure! I live in a costal climate - you don't
even with the great lake close I soppose?
> I also read and tried, (we don't get many slugs and the ones we do get are
> smallish so I don't know how well this works) to crush your egg shells and
> then spread them around an area you don't want slugs. The slugs won't
> cross the sharp little egg shell pieces. (Kind of like diatanatious (sp)
> earth.)
---> haven't heard that before, it is interesting, but not for hostafields
I soppose they rather have acid soil - eggshell will make pH go up.
Arnhild - Hardanger - Norway's SW coast
Mine did...and it had never occurred to me that she might...I don't know if
cooked eggshells would work better...
Debbie in Williamsburg, VA
Nielsen
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 2:23 PM
To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
Subject: Re: Slugs
Have never heard of them going after eggshells Debbie. Know ours wouldn't
anyway. I always nuke the shells in the microwave before crushing and
adding them to the garden. This year, after nuking, I just put them in with
the ashes to go out on the gardens. We have very acid soil - it can lots of
additional ph.
Penny
Have never heard of them going after eggshells Debbie. Know ours wouldn't =
anyway. I always nuke the shells in the microwave before crushing and =
adding them to the garden. This year, after nuking, I just put them in =
with the ashes to go out on the gardens. We have very acid soil - it can =
lots of additional ph.
Penny
> Deborah Green
Yes-BUT if you have dogs around they may decide they will go after those
eggshells and cause a lot more trouble than the slugs...
Debbie in Williamsburg, VA
Peter
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 6:55 AM
To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
Subject: Re: Slugs
I also read and tried, (we don't get many slugs and the ones we do get are
smallish so I don't know how well this works) to crush your egg shells and
then spread them around an area you don't want slugs. The slugs won't
cross the sharp little egg shell pieces. (Kind of like diatanatious (sp)
earth.)
> Mine did...and it had never occurred to me that she might...I don't know if
> cooked eggshells would work better...
> Debbie in Williamsburg, VA
When we moved to Boise, we rented for a few months before we found a house
to buy. I was using a cardboard box for a wastebasket, and had dropped
eggshells into it. La beagle found them and began to chow down. I scolded
her, so she jumped on to a chair, tightlipped, and sat there during my
tirade. I left the room, then immediately returned to get something I had
forgotten, and heard "crunch, crunch, crunch," on the eggshells she had
been holding in her mouth during my scolding session. Cooking makes no
difference. An egg-loving dog will go for the shells in any form. And
remember the picture of the slug climbing over the sharp edge of a razor.
Margaret L
I'm a believer in Captain Ammonia, Deb. I use 50% water, 50% ammonia, and
spritz them. Take a flashlight and a spritzer of that out a few nights in a
row, and your problem will be greatly diminished. Margaret L
Well, I've always believed that "hand-picking" is the only way to deal with
slugs-fortunately when I had a lot of them I had someone around who was
willing to go out at night, collect them, and then feed them to the fish in
the pond...
Debbie in Williamsburg, VA
lauterbach
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 8:20 AM
To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
Subject: Re: Slugs
> Mine did...and it had never occurred to me that she might...I don't know if
> cooked eggshells would work better...
> Debbie in Williamsburg, VA
When we moved to Boise, we rented for a few months before we found a house
to buy. I was using a cardboard box for a wastebasket, and had dropped
eggshells into it. La beagle found them and began to chow down. I scolded
her, so she jumped on to a chair, tightlipped, and sat there during my
tirade. I left the room, then immediately returned to get something I had
forgotten, and heard "crunch, crunch, crunch," on the eggshells she had
been holding in her mouth during my scolding session. Cooking makes no
difference. An egg-loving dog will go for the shells in any form. And
remember the picture of the slug climbing over the sharp edge of a razor.
Margaret L
margaret lauterbach wrote:
Besides, it's very satisfying to a gardener's soul to see the slimy
little beggars dissolve. "Eat my plants, I think not!" "Try outrunning
Captain Ammonia, slime."
George
Only for formal occasions. Margaret L
Do you dress up the spritzer in a cape and draw on boots?
Esther
margaret lauterbach
Please respond to Gardens & Gardening
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Subject: Re: Slugs
I'm a believer in Captain Ammonia, Deb. I use 50% water, 50% ammonia, and
spritz them. Take a flashlight and a spritzer of that out a few nights in a
row, and your problem will be greatly diminished. Margaret L
I loved the Captain Ammonia idea, George and Margaret. I even have a
willing, chuckling teenager to spray it. One question, though: even if
she has a small glasses-cleaner type sprayer and gets close to the slug,
it's bound it overspray onto the plant a little. This doesn't hurt the plant?
SusanD in coastal CA, where slugs are so big and obnoxious that the local
college teams are named after them.
Thanks, Margaret. :)
SusanD
> I loved the Captain Ammonia idea, George and Margaret. I even have a
> willing, chuckling teenager to spray it. One question, though: even if
> she has a small glasses-cleaner type sprayer and gets close to the slug,
> it's bound it overspray onto the plant a little. This doesn't hurt the
plant?
> SusanD in coastal CA, where slugs are so big and obnoxious that the local
> college teams are named after them.
No, it doesn't hurt the plants. Ammonia is a fertilizer. Margaret L
Thinking of escargot as slugs is precisely why I don't eat them. Blah! The
garlic butter is good though;-)
Mary L.
> Try to think of slugs as nude escargot, it might help.
The best way to get rid of slugs is to take a wooden skewer and simply wander
about turning over hiding places and impale them. Throw the impaled slugs in
the garbage. After a week or so there will be few slugs. Any residual slugs
can be destroyed by placing a saucer in the ground with it's edge level with
the surface and filling with beer. Voila! End of slug problem with no
poisonous substances and little effort. I always carry a few skewers with me
when I wander about the garden.
John
(zone 5- more or less)
And we will all politely decline any offers of shish kabob at John's...
Debbie in Williamsburg, VA
LrdRas@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 7:48 PM
To: GARDENS@lsv.uky.edu
Subject: Slugs
The best way to get rid of slugs is to take a wooden skewer and simply
wander
about turning over hiding places and impale them. Throw the impaled slugs in
the garbage. After a week or so there will be few slugs. Any residual slugs
can be destroyed by placing a saucer in the ground with it's edge level with
the surface and filling with beer. Voila! End of slug problem with no
poisonous substances and little effort. I always carry a few skewers with me
when I wander about the garden.
John
(zone 5- more or less)
Some of my slugs are really tiny and I would have trouble skewering them---I
think I will try the saucer of beer though. BTW, last night I was out there
again, and I thought all the damage done to my pansies was from rabbits, but
not so---those slugs were all over those plants, funny thing, though they
seemed to stay away from the dark purple ones but absolutely gobbled up the
pale lavender and pink heritage varieties. I rarely had a whole blossom on
these and even though they worked well in the garden, I was not going to
plant them next year, but if I can control the slugs, maybe I will try them
again. They were the sacrificial plants guarding the Iris behind them. I
found no slugs on my powis castle artemisia, so I guess they don't like
them. Does anyone have a list of plants these little varmints like?
My list begins with Iris, hosta, (some) pansies, nicotiana
sylvestris--------
Pauline
Wilmington, NC
Gardening Zone 8
pauline@ec.rr.com
wander
> about turning over hiding places and impale them. Throw the impaled slugs
in
> the garbage. After a week or so there will be few slugs. Any residual
slugs
> can be destroyed by placing a saucer in the ground with it's edge level
with
> the surface and filling with beer. Voila! End of slug problem with no
> poisonous substances and little effort. I always carry a few skewers with
me
Hi John,
What a great idea - funny too. I can just picture you
strolling along spearing the slugs. I've got some wooden
skewers and I think I'll check my lettuce tonight.
En garde, slugs! June :)
Yeah...but *what* brand of beer?
Slugs are pickier than teenagers searching for just the right
clothes...taste matters, apparently.
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsett@blueriver.net
A root is a flower that disdains fame.
In a message dated 5/5/00 8:36:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pauline@EC.RR.COM
writes:
<< Does anyone have a list of plants these little varmints like?
My list begins with Iris, hosta, (some) pansies, nicotiana
sylvestris-------- >>
Woad, thyme, peppermint, Lamb's Ears, sage, dusty miller, chives, shallots,
Frog's tongue, mum's....
BTW, dusting the ground and plants with diatomaceous earth will deter the
baby slugs you describe.
John
(zone 5-more or less)
slugs eat zinnia and marigold transplants -- the first time I ever tried
growing seedlings indoors, I set out several flats of marigolds and zinnias,
I was so proud!!! Next mornin gon my way out the door to work, I about had
a heart attack. They were just stubs!!!! It was slugs.
Barbara Martin
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pauline@EC.RR.COM
shallots,
I don't know where you live, John, but woad is a noxious weed in Idaho and
I've been told it has the same ranking in other states. Margaret L
I've had slugs do the same thing to my marigold transplants. Now I put a
little bit of pine needles around them and that seems to work.
Karen in zone 6/5b
Pittsburgh, PA
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In a message dated 5/8/00 12:03:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mlaute@MICRON.NET writes:
<< I don't know where you live, John, but woad is a noxious weed in Idaho and
I've been told it has the same ranking in other states. >>
I live in PA. Am not aware of any regulations regarding growing it here. As a
dabbler in natural dyes, I would find it a great loss if there were such
regulations. I put paper bags over the seed heads when they begin to turn
ripe so this may account for the fact that they are still only growing in the
spot I select for them. I actually like them and they are tall enough to make
a nice back border with sprays of brilliant yellow flowers early in the
season.
John
(zone 5-more or less)
> Sharp edges deter slugs? Then why do I keep seeing photos of a slug
> crawling over the business end of a razor blade? Margaret L
What was chasing that slug?
Actually, Ortho was getting ready to promote a new slug killer bait, which
they placed on the other side of the razor blade. While making the
commercial, they made the mistake of using Rosemary's slug as the model.
;-) Back to the drawing board.
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsett@blueriver.net
From Uncle John's Absolutely Absorbing Bathroom Reader:
Slugs have teeth.
Hi,
Is there an effective and natural way to rid the garden of slugs.
Ron Regier
Alberta Canada
r.regier@lethbridgecollege.ab.ca
Well, there's the traditional method of putting small cans with
a couple of inches of beer, sunk into the ground. I've never tried it;
supposedly they crawl in and drown.
Or, get all the toads you can find - they eat slugs.
: Hi,
: Is there an effective and natural way to rid the garden of slugs.
:
: Ron Regier
: Alberta Canada
: r.regier@lethbridgecollege.ab.ca
:
Hand-picking for several days will usually reduce populations significantly
(go out at night with a flashlight). There are now slug baits that can be
used safely around pets, too. Thin barriers of copper are also supposed to
work.
Debbie in Williamsburg, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: Gardens & Gardening [mailto:GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU] On Behalf Of Ron
Regier
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:13 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Slugs
Hi,
Is there an effective and natural way to rid the garden of slugs.
Ron Regier
Alberta Canada
r.regier@lethbridgecollege.ab.ca
> Hi,
> Is there an effective and natural way to rid the garden of slugs.
12 year old boys with salt shakers. I tell 'em they are Jedi Knights and
armed with the force (salt) they must destroy the clones (slugs). Not a
slug to be found, of course I can only grow saltwater marsh plants anymore
but that is a small price to pay to be sluggless. Who need a spring salad
when I can chew on a sandwort-sea spinach salad with a side plate of
braised sea plantain?
-jam
"Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else."
-unknown
Last year I used a spray bottle with a mixture of water and household
ammonia. I've seen various proportions recommended, from 1/1, to 5 parts
water, 1 part ammonia. I used 4/1, and it worked well for killing slugs and
did not appear to damage plants at all. It dissolves the slime coat on a
slug, and is satisfying to watch if you've built up a huge resentment and
enjoy that kind of thing. The downside is you need to go out at dusk on a
regular basis and hunt them down, but after a week of rigorous search and
destroy my slug population was reduced considerably for the rest of the
season.
I've never used traditional slug bait because it's very toxic and a danger
to pets that might find it. This year I'm trying something relatively new,
a slug bait/poison called Sluggo. It's in pellet form that you can sprinkle
around susceptible plants. It's made with iron phosphates, is not harmful
to pets, and breaks down harmlessly. Slugs stop feeding immediately after
ingestion, and die within a few days. So far, so good; my swiss chard is
completely untouched. I was unable to find it in any store locally,
despite the miles of aisles of pesticides/herbicides, so I ordered it
online.
Sue
Sugarchile@earthlink.net
Zone 6, south-central PA
raise toads in the backyard :)
Barbara M. Martin
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In addition to what's been said...set out boards near your garden and
check them daily...and destroy any slugs you find.
Slugs tend to seek shelter during the daytime...and they don't usually
travel far once they've found a food source. If you see slug damage,
look under nearby shelters, like rocks, and you might discover the slugs
that noshed on your plants the night before.
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsettb@kiva.net
A garden is a friend you can visit any time.
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Sue - could you forward the URL to order Sluggo online? Thank you - Jenny
Sugarchile wrote: This year I'm trying something relatively new,
Anyone want to send me their toads? They don't grow here in Palmer,
Alaska - I would just borrow them for the summer? - Jenny
__________________________________________________________
Barbara Martin wrote:
I'm almost tempted; imagine your surprise
Esther
Jenny Johanssen
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:40 PM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Slugs
Anyone want to send me their toads? They don't grow here in Palmer,
Alaska - I would just borrow them for the summer? - Jenny
__________________________________________________________
Barbara Martin wrote:
I did a google search on Sluggo and turned up a handful of hits. From them,
I chose
http://www.bioscape.com/res-prices.html
to do business with, based on price, shipping costs, and my approval of
their gardening philosophy. This was my only experience with them, but it
was hassle free.
I believe that Gardens Alive sell a very similar product under the name of
EscarGo, or something similarly catchy.
Sue
Sugarchile@earthlink.net
Zone 6, south-central PA
Allen ,
I dont know which worked , egg shells , coffee grounds or the sand , =
but I got results //
Ido know if your a fisherman keep your night walkers in
old maple leaves and coffee grounds and when you go to use them you have =
to hold them with both hands and have someone hit them in the head with =
a club so you can put them on the hook ///
Sun shine most of the day here , about 60 deg , so I got some =
johny jump ups dug out of the yard and put them back in the garden , =
last year I planted them across the bottom
of the flowers below my pond -- there are none there this year they =
came up 8 feet away around the corner in the yard .
I got out my spade fork then and dug up my 22 ft cuke r
and squash row , and the first tomato row , the soil is not real wet =
because of the coal ashes I mixed in the rows a few
years ago -- only 5 more rows to go ////
chat later mrmac
I've just watered Nemaslug (nematodes to kill slugs) into the garden,
under more or less ideal conditions, and will try planting some
sacrificial baby lettuces next weekend to see how they fare.
Isn't the nemaslug more of a control for the little uns?,,,That is -the
adult slugs ccan still have free reign, but their progeny fail to survive?
Behalf Of JT Thompson
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 2:24 AM
To: OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Slugs
I've just watered Nemaslug (nematodes to kill slugs) into the garden,
under more or less ideal conditions, and will try planting some
sacrificial baby lettuces next weekend to see how they fare.
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jt.thompson@INDIGO.IE writes:
<< I kind of got the impression that it's the Saddam Hussein (or maybe
Porton Downs) of slug control, infecting the poor beasties with
something horrible so they all die of a touch of the bubonics.
Saddam Hussein I've heard of. Who, or what, is Porton Downs?
Mary Ann
> Isn't the nemaslug more of a control for the little uns?,,,That is -the
> adult slugs ccan still have free reign, but their progeny fail to survive?
I kind of got the impression that it's the Saddam Hussein (or maybe
Porton Downs) of slug control, infecting the poor beasties with
something horrible so they all die of a touch of the bubonics.
Keep us informed!
Pat
JT wrote:
"I've just watered Nemaslug (nematodes to kill slugs) into the garden, under
more or less ideal conditions, and will try planting some sacrificial baby
lettuces next weekend to see how they fare."
Saddam Hussein is only trotting behind the originators of biological
warfare, the Porton Downs (9or maybe Porton Down) place in England
where they developed most of the chemical and biological weapons:
smallpox, bubonic plague (the Black Death), Q fever, lassa fever,
etc, etc.
I found this interesting study on slugs -- I thought you might be interested
in.
Give slugs a real coffee headache
Farmers and gardeners determined to protect their plants from slugs and
snails may not have to look any further than their morning cup of coffee for
an environmentally friendly pesticide.
http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/772738.asp
My brother didn't like that either. He gave us what he had left, and it
wasn't too terrible. He did keep the coffee maker, though. Margaret L
I wonder how slugs react to Jolt cola...twice the caffeine, and all the
acid or regular colas?
Personally, I'd hate to waste good coffee on slugs. I think
ammonia/water sprays work well, since slugs squirm away from that stuff.
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsettb@kiva.net
Gardens are solar powered devices.
Gardens co-listowner gardens-request@lsv.uky.edu
I have some really nasty flavored Gevallia coffee my sis gave me. Look out slugs, here comes Jack
Daniels flavored coffee.
George
Dorsett wrote:
> I have some really nasty flavored Gevallia coffee my sis gave me. Look out slugs, here comes Jack Daniels flavored coffee.>>
I wonder if there is beer flavored coffee?
Really drive 'em crazy!
jo
nj
Arnhild, a woman on the organic gardening list said slugs ate the coffee
grounds she used for mulch, so I don't put a lot of trust in this
study. If you have slugs on hosta, I'd use 1/3 to 1/2 isopropynol alcohol=
to 2/3 to 1/2 water in a spray bottle. it's very effective at killing slugs=
it hits. Usually I suggest people go out after dark with a flashlight, but=
I don't think that's feasible in your area. Three or four nights of after=
dark spraying greatly reduces the number of slugs. Margaret L
> Where was the start of this thread?
> Are we meant to first pick the slugs?? :( - =E6sj & huff! ( ... hehe=
;)
> Where was the start of this thread?
The start of this thread was in Judy Jablonski's post:
********************************
Give slugs a real coffee headache
Farmers and gardeners determined to protect their plants from slugs and
snails may not have to look any further than their morning cup of coffee
for
an environmentally friendly pesticide.
http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/772738.asp
*******************************
> my garden - so can I that at all use this coffee spraying?
> .. wondering how
> sensitive hostas are compared to the plantes they tested it on?
Okay, that's a good question...the original study was done at the
Agricultural Research Service in Hawaii. They discovered that a 1-2%
caffeine solution was effective against snails and slugs...but 2% is
enough to cause leaf damage or yellowing.
More dilute solutions were enough to stop them from feeding...as much.
A cup of instant coffee contains 0.05% caffeine...and the caffeine
content goes up from there.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_2067000/2067214.stm
> Arnhild, a woman on the organic gardening list said slugs ate
> the coffee grounds she used for mulch
That she did...so I wouldn't depend on coffee grounds to protect hostas.
:(
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 dorsettb@kiva.net
Gardens are solar powered devices.
Gardens co-listowner gardens-request@lsv.uky.edu
Since I watched Monsters, Inc. I can't whack a slug until I've checked to
see if it's wearing lipstick. Can Jerome be taught to check?
Barb in Idaho
> Someone on this list early on mentioned putting down wooden boards to trap
> slugs. It seems that they feed at night and hunt for cool spots to hide in
> the daytime. I tried it and it works!!! I stopped counting after I=
reached
> 20. I put down about five boards near my zucchini spot. The first morning
> I caught 7. I kept it up until I haven't seen any for three days. I=
didn't
> know there were so many in the world. No wonder my cantaloupe vines
> vanished soon as they came up last year. I have an official slug trap
> complete with bait. I think I'll try it in my front flower bed. Jerome=
(my
;)
Monsters Inc. is an animated movie with John Goodman and Billy Crystal
voicing the lead parts. There was a female slug in it who happened to wear
lipstick. I'll never look at slugs the same way.
Barb in Idaho
Where was the start of this thread?
Are we meant to first pick the slugs?? :( - =E6sj & huff! ( ... hehe ;)
- this is a norwegian huff that means only 'OH NO! )
- I can't do that picking slugs .. and it is really impossible to manage in
my garden - so can I that at all use this coffee spraying? .. wondering how
sensitive hostas are compared to the plantes they tested it on?
Cola? that is containing suger, and will maybe cause growth of a black
fungi that like sweets on leaf surface? Maybe lots of other stuff too in
Cola so not autmaticly comparable to the coffee even if both kills the
slugs we do not know the side effects of both. Double dose is not needed -
killing one time is enough of most things :)
Arnhild
Someone on this list early on mentioned putting down wooden boards to trap
slugs. It seems that they feed at night and hunt for cool spots to hide in
the daytime. I tried it and it works!!! I stopped counting after I reached
20. I put down about five boards near my zucchini spot. The first morning
I caught 7. I kept it up until I haven't seen any for three days. I didn't
know there were so many in the world. No wonder my cantaloupe vines
vanished soon as they came up last year. I have an official slug trap
complete with bait. I think I'll try it in my front flower bed. Jerome (my
frog) can't keep up with all of them.
I think I must have a skunk. The mulch around my cabbage plants was pushed
all around this morning. The skunks are welcome to everything they find,
but now I have to rearrange the mulch or else I will have a crop of weeds
after all. :-)
ann
b1rdland@surferznet.net
Where was the start of this thread?
Are we meant to first pick the slugs?? :( - ??sj & huff! ( ... hehe ;)
- this is a norwegian huff that means only 'OH NO! )
- I can't do that picking slugs .. and it is really impossible to manage in
my garden - so can I that at all use this coffee spraying? .. wondering how
sensitive hostas are compared to the plantes they tested it on?
Cola? that is containing suger, and will maybe cause growth of a black
fungi that like sweets on leaf surface? Maybe lots of other stuff too in
Cola so not autmaticly comparable to the coffee even if both kills the
slugs we do not know the side effects of both. Double dose is not needed -
killing one time is enough of most things :)
Arnhild
We have several toads living in and around the veggie garden, mostly come out at night but we
disturb one in the mulch occasionally. We use broken clay pots as "toad houses" in all our gardens.
Here lately we have had beaucoup rain frogs singing and hanging out on the patio door with the
geckos, always good to see the night shift taking over from the anoles.
Squirrels have been getting into Miz Anne's sweet corn in the early morning. Two of them met their
demise this morning and I had them for lunch.
hanging around but they've been destroying more than they eat.
Cooked a whole silver salmon on the gas grill this evening, seven lbs worth less the head and
innards. Burrp! Local supermarket had a sale on fresh ones flown in from somewhere, forgot to ask.
Made a nice dill sauce to go with and had sauteed summer squash and onions and a nice little pot of
crowder peas spiced up with chopped mild jalapenos and green onions. Still got lots of salmon left
over though. Salmon croquettes, salmon salad, etc. etc.
George
"Ann B. Mullikin" wrote:
Hey Barb, what is "Monsters"? If it is a TV show, never mind because I am
TV illerate. All I can say about Jerome is that he is a smart frog. He
stays out of the hot sunshine and hides in the shade behind the Blaze
rosebush. I trust that he comes out at night when the slugs are out?
ann
b1rdland@surferznet.net
Since I watched Monsters, Inc. I can't whack a slug until I've checked to
see if it's wearing lipstick. Can Jerome be taught to check?
Barb in Idaho
> Someone on this list early on mentioned putting down wooden boards to trap
> slugs. It seems that they feed at night and hunt for cool spots to hide in
> the daytime. I tried it and it works!!! I stopped counting after I
reached
> 20. I put down about five boards near my zucchini spot. The first morning
> I caught 7. I kept it up until I haven't seen any for three days. I
didn't
> know there were so many in the world. No wonder my cantaloupe vines
> vanished soon as they came up last year. I have an official slug trap
> complete with bait. I think I'll try it in my front flower bed. Jerome
(my
> it hits. Usually I suggest people go out after dark with a flashlight, but
> I don't think that's feasible in your area. Three or four nights of after
> dark spraying greatly reduces the number of slugs. Margaret L
Dark or not - we do get slug damage here too! With about 19 hours daylight
here I think they feed alos during daytime. I would have to collect coffee
grouds from a hotel or all my neighbours :) I have finally found a stuff
called Ferramol that is supposed to help against slugs - contenting Iron ...
make the slugs not wanting to fedd. Is not supposed to not harm pets and
birds etc., and resistant towards some rain But it is expensive and needs
to be thrown out more than once a summer. Seems to me sluga are born th e
whoe season! ? Are they?
Arnhild
George, how did you make your dill sauce? Our supermarket has whole keto
(chum) salmon for 99 cents/lb., and it does sound good. I have lots of
volunteer dill in the garden. I may not get it until Tuesday, since that
store has just started discounts for seniors on Tuesdays (discounts on
everything except groceries). They sell garden stuff, building suppllies,
clothes, electronics, etc. Margaret L
Chiltepin tree, Ann. Pea-sized hot peppers that dry fast, and are
wonderful in spaghetti sauce or anything else that needs a shot of
Alive! ;-))) Margaret L
Maybe Jerome would also like a broken clay pot to rest in? My only worry
with that would be entrapment such that the garden snakes could get to
him!!! :-( Jerome may be the little frog that got rescued from a snake's
mouth years ago.)
> We have several toads living in and around the veggie garden, mostly come
out at night but we
> disturb one in the mulch occasionally.
Here too, except down on the lower terrace where I am catching all the
slugs. Might be a connection? I haven't gone down to see if the skunk came
back last night to dig up the mulch. Such a challenge to try to garden with
all the critters helping me.
> We use broken clay pots as "toad houses" in all our gardens.
Maybe if I stashed some pots around down there I would attract some frogs.
> Here lately we have had beaucoup rain frogs singing and hanging out on the
patio door with the
> geckos, always good to see the night shift taking over from the anoles.
- got no geckos, but do have day-glo orange lizards (tiny) all around.
Mysterious that nobody around here knows anything about them - what,
exactly, they are and where they come from or what they eat. We see them
mostly just after a rain?
> Squirrels have been getting into Miz Anne's sweet corn in the early
morning. Two of them met their
> demise this morning and I had them for lunch.
rifles. I don't mind them
> hanging around but they've been destroying more than they eat.
A rabbit met such a sad end here a couple of days ago. He/she had been
dining on greenbeans and soybeans and broccoli. Smart rabbit to eat such
nutritious foods. We didn't eat eat him because of that gruesome disease
they sometimes get.
> Cooked a whole silver salmon on the gas grill this evening, seven lbs
worth less the head and
> innards. Burrp! Local supermarket had a sale on fresh ones flown in from
somewhere, forgot to ask.
Aren't they delicious? My favorite of all fish. I make a sauce with
horseradish to eat with the salmon.
> Made a nice dill sauce to go with and had sauteed summer squash and onions
and a nice little pot of
> crowder peas spiced up with chopped mild jalapenos and green onions. Still
got lots of salmon left
> over though. Salmon croquettes, salmon salad, etc. etc.
Are crowder peas the same as black-eyed peas? Our season is not long enough
to grow them. I might try them in the greenhouse.
I have more things I want to plant, but we're going to run out of summer
before I get to it. Inspired by Margaret and her Chiltin tree (?) I have
several pots of hot peppers growing that I will nurse through the winter
somehow.
Hot Days!!!
ann
b1rdland@surferznet.net
zone 4/5
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> George
> "Ann B. Mullikin" wrote:
> Someone on this list early on mentioned putting down wooden boards to
trap
> slugs. It seems that they feed at night and hunt for cool spots to hide
in
> the daytime. I tried it and it works!!! I stopped counting after I
reached
> 20. I put down about five boards near my zucchini spot. The first
morning
> I caught 7. I kept it up until I haven't seen any for three days. I
didn't
> know there were so many in the world. No wonder my cantaloupe vines
> vanished soon as they came up last year. I have an official slug trap
> complete with bait. I think I'll try it in my front flower bed. Jerome
(my
> frog) can't keep up with all of them.
> I think I must have a skunk. The mulch around my cabbage plants was
pushed
> all around this morning. The skunks are welcome to everything they
find,
> but now I have to rearrange the mulch or else I will have a crop of
weeds
George,
Thanks for the recipe. I just got a beautiful salmon filet at the Farmer's
Market and wanted something for it. Can't wait to try it. I also got some
beautiful white corn. We're going to have a yummy dinner. Now if you can
just help out with zucchini recipes.
Thanks,
Patti
-------Original Message-------
From: Gardens & Gardening
Date: Sunday, June 30, 2002 11:51:13 AM
To: GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: Slugs
It's just a standard white sauce with about a teaspoon of fresh dill and a
pinch of nutmeg added
Margaret. Two tablespoons butter or margarine into a hot pan followed by two
tablespoons of flour,
stir to make roux, add 1 cup milk and stir, add in the nutmeg and dill
(chopped fine), stir until
thickened and then serve with the fish.
After I got the salmon home I think it was a chum too. Sold for $1.49 a lb
but not bad considering
it was flown in on ice. Butcher told me they sold over 3,000 lbs of it in
two days so proves there's
a market.
George
Margaret Lauterbach wrote:
the
air
onions
> and a nice little pot of
> crowder peas spiced up with chopped mild jalapenos and green onions.
Still
It's just a standard white sauce with about a teaspoon of fresh dill and a pinch of nutmeg added
Margaret. Two tablespoons butter or margarine into a hot pan followed by two tablespoons of flour,
stir to make roux, add 1 cup milk and stir, add in the nutmeg and dill (chopped fine), stir until
thickened and then serve with the fish.
After I got the salmon home I think it was a chum too. Sold for $1.49 a lb but not bad considering
it was flown in on ice. Butcher told me they sold over 3,000 lbs of it in two days so proves there's
a market.
George
Margaret Lauterbach wrote:
Crowders are another variety of southern peas than black eyes or cow peas. These were planted in
early April and we started harvesting in about 40 days. A brown crowder from Henry Fields if I
remember correctly.
Our geckos are the Asian variety, sort of pink with light spots, get up to about 4 inches long and
feed at night. We also have lots of anole's and skinks, they're the day shift, geckos, toads, and
frogs are feeding at night. We tend to gather at the patio door at night to watch the geckos feed,
Miss Sleepy Dawg doesn't bother to try to chase them anymore after being told not to. I would
estimate several thousand lizards of various types live with us and are welcome here. Same with the
wasps, I only break up nests close to doors, the rest stay and kill a lot of caterpillars.
George
"Ann B. Mullikin" wrote:
I tried growing Super Chile's a few years ago and had no luck with them. Strange as most of the
ornamental hot chiles grow well around here and with winter protection are pretty much perennials.
Friends have two or three growing in pots on their patio and always pick the red ones to save for my
hot sauce.
George
"Ann B. Mullikin" wrote:
They didn't do well for me either, George. I have dry
conditions. Shrug. Margaret L
Close, but no ceegar! :-) I will go downstairs and see if I can find the
package and see what I really have. Each plant is blooming its little head
off so.......... I assume some kind of hot pepper.
Found the package; they are, "Super Chile" from Shepherd's.
"Fiery hot Thai-style hybrid chiles. Beautiful Container plant."
ann
Our favorite zuke recipe is very simple. Little olive oil in a non stick skillet, slice the zukes
crosswise into round, chop up an onion with it, toss in a little garlic, oh about 200 cloves, or to
taste, chop up a bell pepper in there, toss in a little black pepper, a pinch of salt if you must
and saute until tender. We really have to get our fill of sauteed squash of all sorts before we do
anything else with it. The olive oil gives it a slight nutty flavor and the garlic gives it some
zing. I've taken to using a few mild jalapenos versus the bell pepper here lately. Right tasty as
the good old boy said.
George
Patti wrote:
Are those maybe newts?
http://animalpicturesarchive.com/animal/APAsrch3.cgi?qt=newt
Joan
"Ann B. Mullikin" wrote:
We could learn a lot from crayons:
some are sharp, some are pretty,
some are dull, some have weird names,
and all are different colors....but
they all exist very nicely in the same box.
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> Are those maybe newts?
Quite possible. None of these look exactly like ours, but very similar.
There seems to be some variation among them, but of the same class? I hate
to ask a dumb question - what is a Kb? How does it compare to an inch? Or
a cm? I swear I think nobody around here enjoys the woods except us and the
ATV people. We never see anybody. The ATV people are not looking for newts
or wildflowers either. What a shame.
Thanks for the info.
ann
b1rdland@surferznet.net
them
I have no idea what a 'Kb' is, but a newt is pretty small, in my
experience. Most of the ones I've seen didn't seem to be more than
maybe three inches, but Rob says he has seen them as big as 6 inches.
The ones by the brook in Maplecrest were maybe 3 inches. I've seen dark
ones with bright orange gills too. We called those 'mud puppies'. I
miss that place, but after the road washed out (Hurricane Floyd) if was
so hard for me to get to, and when I was there, I spent all my time
cleaning mildew, that it was no fun and more, and no time to enjoy the
beauty and the wild life, and Rob wasn't going up there much alone, so
.....no place in the woods any more.
Now I have pickerel frogs instead of newts because I have a pond instead
of a brook, and there is enough open sunny area for gardening, which we
didn't have in Greene County, and there are still plenty of critters to
eat my garden, and to watch, and neat places to walk, and the Delaware
just across the road, and lots of other wonderful wild things to learn
about, so it is an OK trade-off. And there are the ATV people too -
they drive through the property and damage shrubs and break branches,
but they don't drive off the deer that do damage too.
Oh, well.
Joan
"Ann B. Mullikin" wrote:
--
We could learn a lot from crayons:
some are sharp, some are pretty,
some are dull, some have weird names,
and all are different colors....but
they all exist very nicely in the same box.
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The things I learn on this List are just amazing :-).
I have heard of mud puppies, but up until now I didn't know what they were.
How sad.
> Now I have pickerel frogs instead of newts because I have a pond instead
> of a brook,
I searched Google for pickerel frogs - hadn't heard of them either.
> and there is enough open sunny area for gardening, which we
> didn't have in Greene County,
what state? We live in Greene County.
Such is life, right?
ann
b1rdland@surferznet.net
hate
> to ask a dumb question - what is a Kb? How does it compare to an inch?
Or
> a cm? I swear I think nobody around here enjoys the woods except us and
the
> ATV people. We never see anybody. The ATV people are not looking for
newts
around.
"Ann B. Mullikin" wrote:
> The things I learn on this List are just amazing :-).
http://animalpicturesarchive.com/animal/APAsrch3.cgi?qt=Pickerel%20frog
for pickerel frog - pretty common.
NY - down the road from you, on Black Dome Mt. I live in Orange County,
further south than you, right on the Delaware. Right by Hawk's Nest,
which you see in car commercials (BMW, most often) every so often.
Joan
--
We could learn a lot from crayons:
some are sharp, some are pretty,
some are dull, some have weird names,
and all are different colors....but
they all exist very nicely in the same box.
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Howdy down-the-state neighbor!
ann
zone 4/5
instead
yes, I heard coffee, and that was ground coffee, not brewed, I brought some 5
year old coffee back from my father's with the intention of using it next year
on the slugs.
susan
Butland wrote:
I seem to remember reading a newspaper article recently that said
researchers had found that coffee was an effective slug repellant. I believe
they just sprayed plants with a dilute coffee solution. I don't have a slug
problem so didn't clip the article. I'm sure the info is available on the
internet.
Grace -- slug-free but still combating fruit flies
do remember the beer trap and the gritty stuff they don't like to crawl
across. But someone more knowledgeable should reply to Jim's post, as I sort
of like the critters (and don't have that many either that they bother me).
Sounds interesting and simple. I will try it next season.
Jim AllAn
200+ miles NW of ground zero
Inventor of the Dandelion Harvester
A press release can be seen at
http://community.webshots.com/user/jallan6977
Would it be that the grounds, I would guess used, is simply
sprinkled around in a bed like a mulch but not as much. I would
think one would not use to much as coffee is acidic.
Jim AllAn
200+ miles NW of ground zero
Inventor of the Dandelion Harvester
A press release can be seen at
http://community.webshots.com/user/jallan6977
As far as I can see, Jim, you want the organic way of combatting slugs. I do remember the beer trap and the gritty stuff they don't like to crawl across. But someone more knowledgeable should reply to Jim's post, as I sort of like the critters (and don't have that many either that they bother me).
Carol
> Would it be that the grounds, I would guess used, is simply
> sprinkled around in a bed like a mulch but not as much. I would
> think one would not use to much as coffee is acidic.
But it could be that simple ground coffee, the more expensive solution, w=
ould be better. Perhaps it works as a mild poison for slugs. The grounds =
are not very strong (as anyone knows who has tried to brew an extra cup o=
n already used grounds!)
I myself spread quite a layer on all of my garden all winter. In spring i=
t is still there, looking slightly greenish. I assume that the worms them=
selves don=B4t care too much for it, though I know that they can live in =
coffee grounds.
Carol
Actually it was a 2 percent caffeine solution, but they didn't say how they
made the solution. If I can find the report I'll put up the url.
Bob Blum
Behalf Of Butland
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:16 AM
To: OGL@LSV.UKY.EDU
Subject: Re: slugs
I seem to remember reading a newspaper article recently that said
researchers had found that coffee was an effective slug repellant. I believe
they just sprayed plants with a dilute coffee solution. I don't have a slug
problem so didn't clip the article. I'm sure the info is available on the
internet.
Grace -- slug-free but still combating fruit flies
do remember the beer trap and the gritty stuff they don't like to crawl
across. But someone more knowledgeable should reply to Jim's post, as I sort
of like the critters (and don't have that many either that they bother me).
My slugs are the tiny black ones.
Barbara
Aha! You have slugs too! I have slugs and snails, and far too many to count.
What are you doing for that problem? I have them in all of the established
areas, but fortunately at the moment they are staying out of the garden
since there hasn't been anything planted there for years until this week. I
noticed that there is a plant right beside my blooming artichoke plant that
they have nearly totally eaten...I don't know what it is but it is very tall
and very, very holey. I was wondering if someone had planted it there to
give the snails a more delicious and ready food supply? Are there plants
that you can put in that will attract these little critters so they don't
eat our good stuff more? That would be cool since I won't do anything to
harm them.
linda
"Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do
it."
Mohandas Gandhi
linda's albums: http://photos.yahoo.com/womyn47
A few birds would eat their weight in those slithering critters. Now
I am not saying you need to bring in some ducks. But...planting
flowers that birds feed on will attract them to your place and keep
them there...to eat the insects, etc. Millet, sunflowers...things
like that will do the trick.=20
Gloria, Texas
US zone 8a
--- In GardeningOrganically@yahoogroups.com, "linda"
wrote:
> Aha! You have slugs too! I have slugs and snails, and far too many
to count.
> What are you doing for that problem? I have them in all of the
established
> areas, but fortunately at the moment they are staying out of the
garden
> since there hasn't been anything planted there for years until this
week. I
> noticed that there is a plant right beside my blooming artichoke
plant that
> they have nearly totally eaten...I don't know what it is but it is
very tall
> and very, very holey. I was wondering if someone had planted it
there to
> give the snails a more delicious and ready food supply? Are there
plants
> that you can put in that will attract these little critters so they
don't
> eat our good stuff more? That would be cool since I won't do
anything to
Billy-- there is no damage to dahlias, perennials or any other
flowers that I have see. Someone said it contains nitrogen.
Linda
Linda, any damage to plant material after spraying with ammonia?
I'm in the woods, TOO. Spruce and fir stays green..... Only a touch of=
snow at the moment, but cold and windy.
Billy
William F. Matthews
65 Witch Hazel Road
Portugal Cove-St. Philip's, NL
Canada
A1M 3N3
----- Original Message -----
From: JAMES NESS
To: dahlias@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [dahlias] Re: Fertilizer
Wendy- I'm also in the woods. For the last 3 years I have been using hous=
e hold ammonia on the slugs. I'm out every morning and every evening slug h=
unting. I just spray the slugs with the ammonia water and they melt. It is =
1 part ammonia to 3 parts water. Last year I had hardly any slugs. But the =
first year I started I could kill up to 150 on one walk. I also use Corry's=
slug bait when needed.
Linda-- Blaine, Wash
On Dec 12, 2006, at 8:46 AM, Wendy Levin wrote:
I am surrounded on two sides of the house by woods with a tributary
running about 50 yards away (which comes much closer after it rains).
The slugs just LOVE my gardens
=20=20
it does contains nitrogen
Paul
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